2023 Prospects

[mvp 78]

Sox are currently 12th in draft order with the Pirates, Tigers and Guardians all 2 games behind them. Sox going 2-8 over their last 10 has certainly helped.

[moonslav59]

Sox are currently 12th in draft order with the Pirates, Tigers and Guardians all 2 games behind them. Sox going 2-8 over their last 10 has certainly helped.

 

The Mets will drop 10 picks, right?

 

Wouldn't that move us to 11th? (10th, if DET or PIT passes us.)

[Hugh2]

Remember there is also a lottery, so technically if the season ended today we would have a greater than 1% chance of getting the #1 overall pick.

 

Wouldn't that be something?

[mvp 78]

The Mets will drop 10 picks, right?

 

Wouldn't that move us to 11th? (10th, if DET or PIT passes us.)

 

Oh, I don't know about the Mets stuff.

[moonslav59]

Oh, I don't know about the Mets stuff.

 

Didn't we drop in the draft due to going over the tax line?

 

Why wouldn't the Mets? Is there a Mets exception to the rule?

[mvp 78]

Didn't we drop in the draft due to going over the tax line?

 

Why wouldn't the Mets? Is there a Mets exception to the rule?

 

When did we drop in the draft because of tax implications?

 

edit: Cam Cannon draft

Edited September 27, 2023 by mvp 78

[mvp 78]

If the Mets win a lottery selection, their pick will not be moved back. Only picks after the top 6 can be moved back.

[moonslav59]

When did we drop in the draft because of tax implications?

 

edit: Cam Cannon draft

 

Yes, I was confusing this with comp pick drops.

 

My bad.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

If the season ended now, the Mets would not finish with one of the top 6 picks, but they are only a few games better than the Cardinals and Nationals. The Mets can't catch the Whitesox, A's, Royals, and Rockies but they can still finish with a worse record than the Cardinals and Nationals. So, we need the Mets to win a couple of games at the end to keep them out of the bottom six. The good news: the Mets have a double hitter against the Marlins today and are winning the first game.

 

Assuming the Red Sox don't finish with worse record than the Tigers, Pirates, and Guardians, they will pick 11th if the Mets don't finish with a top 6 pick. It is possible the Red Sox could catch the Padres and Giants but those two teams have two more wins than the Red Sox.

[Larry Cook]

Has abreau, Valdez or Rafeala done enough to impress for next season?

[moonslav59]

Has abreau, Valdez or Rafeala done enough to impress for next season?

 

They all look promising, but I'm not sure I'd say "impressed." The sample sizes are way too small.

[Hugh2]

While it's not set in stone it does seem highly probable that the Sox are set at 11, because the Mets will likely sit at 8.

 

Yes, So can they can both go 0-4 and there's a very good chance they're still both right there. It's not like they're surrounded by really good teams winning ballgames down there in the lower 1/3 of MLB teams.

 

Sox have a lottery pick. #1 is about a 1% chance, I'd be happy if they were able to move up a couple of slots.

 

I did Tankathon.com/mlb and got the #2 pick on the 2nd try and then the #4 pick immediately after. Too bad that's not real.

[mvp 78]

They all look promising, but I'm not sure I'd say "impressed." The sample sizes are way too small.

 

I would at least say that Abreu shows that he at least looks like an MLB player. I think we assumed that Rafaela would be with BOS, but Abreu was more on the outside looking in. There weren't too many of us projecting him to be on the BOS roster in 2024. SoxProspects had him outside the top 20.

[notin]

If the season ended now, the Mets would not finish with one of the top 6 picks, but they are only a few games better than the Cardinals and Nationals. The Mets can't catch the Whitesox, A's, Royals, and Rockies but they can still finish with a worse record than the Cardinals and Nationals. So, we need the Mets to win a couple of games at the end to keep them out of the bottom six. The good news: the Mets have a double hitter against the Marlins today and are winning the first game.

 

Assuming the Red Sox don't finish with worse record than the Tigers, Pirates, and Guardians, they will pick 11th if the Mets don't finish with a top 6 pick. It is possible the Red Sox could catch the Padres and Giants but those two teams have two more wins than the Red Sox.

 

 

Unless you have one of the top 3 or in some years 5 picks, the rest of the first round didn’t change much. Since this is MLB and not the NFL or the NBA, no one drafts for positions. And the talent gap between the 5th best high school/college player and the 30th best isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Not to mention it’s certainly not always predictive of an MLB future.

 

So worrying about other teams affecting the Sox draft is pretty worthless stuff…

[mvp 78]

Unless you have one of the top 3 or in some years 5 picks, the rest of the first round didn’t change much. Since this is MLB and not the NFL or the NBA, no one drafts for positions. And the talent gap between the 5th best high school/college player and the 30th best isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Not to mention it’s certainly not always predictive of an MLB future.

 

So worrying about other teams affecting the Sox draft is pretty worthless stuff…

 

IDK, I'm glad Mayer slipped to the Sox. I'm glad Teel slipped to the Sox. Maybe a pick or two helps once in a while. Also, the season is over and there isn't much else to talk about prospect wise.

[mvp 78]

If you are interested in following what happens in the Arizona Fall League, Christopher Troye is intentionally posting a bunch of updates on Twitter and IG for posterity.

 

https://twitter.com/christophtroye

[moonslav59]

I would at least say that Abreu shows that he at least looks like an MLB player. I think we assumed that Rafaela would be with BOS, but Abreu was more on the outside looking in. There weren't too many of us projecting him to be on the BOS roster in 2024. SoxProspects had him outside the top 20.

 

True. Many did say Abreu was the better of the two we got for Vaz.

 

I'm still short of saying "I'm impressed." Happy? Yes. Hopeful? Hell YES!

[Hugh2]

IDK, I'm glad Mayer slipped to the Sox. I'm glad Teel slipped to the Sox. Maybe a pick or two helps once in a while. Also, the season is over and there isn't much else to talk about prospect wise.

 

Yeah I would say every year is different too.

 

I think the spirit of Boggs comment is pretty good but who knows what that tier is, I don't think it's constant. A draft can have 4-5 guys at the top or a top tier of 7-10 guys. Also, with all the deal cutting that can happen at the top sitting in the 10-15 range can sometimes still land you an opportunity to pick a guy who was ranked as top 10.

 

This has happened to the Sox twice in the past decade.

 

Groome (2016) was ranked in the #1-#3 zone and fell to the Sox at 12.

TEEL (2023) Was ranked in the #6-#10 range and fell to the Sox at 14.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Unless you have one of the top 3 or in some years 5 picks, the rest of the first round didn’t change much. Since this is MLB and not the NFL or the NBA, no one drafts for positions. And the talent gap between the 5th best high school/college player and the 30th best isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Not to mention it’s certainly not always predictive of an MLB future.

 

So worrying about other teams affecting the Sox draft is pretty worthless stuff…

 

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part. You would still rather have the 11th pick than, say, the 18th pick, but at the end of the day it might not matter very much. And Mike Trout went 25th overall. Getting Teel at 14 looks like a great pick and I was thinking about a pick like that in hoping to get the earliest pick possible.

 

But when there are only few games left in the season and you are rooting for your team to lose for a higher draft pick, that can only mean one thing: the season didn't go very well. . . .

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Unless you have one of the top 3 or in some years 5 picks, the rest of the first round didn’t change much. Since this is MLB and not the NFL or the NBA, no one drafts for positions. And the talent gap between the 5th best high school/college player and the 30th best isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Not to mention it’s certainly not always predictive of an MLB future.

 

So worrying about other teams affecting the Sox draft is pretty worthless stuff…

 

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part. You would still rather have the 11th pick than, say, the 18th pick, but at the end of the day it might not matter very much. And Mike Trout went 25th overall. Getting Teel at 14 looks like a great pick and I was thinking about a pick like that in hoping to get the earliest pick possible.

 

But when there are only few games left in the season and you are rooting for your team to lose for a higher draft pick, that can only mean one thing: the season didn't go very well. . . .

 

As was said above, the nice thing about the 11th pick is that the Red Sox will probably land one of the top 10 talents in the draft and get a player that wouldn't normally be available at pick 17 or 18, for example.

[moonslav59]

One site's best picks:

 

2024 MLB Draft mock

WWW.MLB.COM

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Sure, the dust has barely settled from the 2023 Draft, but there’s no rest for the weary. It’s time to start digging into the Class of 2024. If the scouting industry can do it, so can we! After all, many of these players are already out and being seen by

 

One site has this for best college players:

 

https://razzball.com/way-too-early-top-25-college-prospects-for-the-2024-mlb-draft/

 

1. Jac Caglianone | 1B/LHP | Florida

 

2. Brody Brecht | RHP | Iowa

 

3. JJ Weatherholt | INF | West Virginia

 

4. Chase Burns | RHP | Tennessee

 

5. Charlie Condon | 1B/OF | Georgia

 

6. Vance Honeycutt | OF | North Carolina

 

7. Nick Kurtz | 1B | Wake Forest

 

8. Tommy White | 1B/3B | LSU

 

9. Travis Bazzana | 2B | Oregon State

 

10. Hagen Smith | LHP | Arkansas

 

11. Braden Montgomery | OF/RHP | Stanford

 

12. Carter Holton | LHP | Vanderbilt

 

13. Michael Massey | RHP | Wake Forest

 

14. Drew Beam | RHP | Tennessee

Edited September 28, 2023 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

NoT eNoUgH ShOrTsToPs LiStEd!

[moonslav59]

NoT eNoUgH ShOrTsToPs LiStEd!

 

We'll find one.

[Larry Cook]

One site's best picks:

 

2024 MLB Draft mock

WWW.MLB.COM

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Sure, the dust has barely settled from the 2023 Draft, but there’s no rest for the weary. It’s time to start digging into the Class of 2024. If the scouting industry can do it, so can we! After all, many of these players are already out and being seen by

 

One site has this for best college players:

 

https://razzball.com/way-too-early-top-25-college-prospects-for-the-2024-mlb-draft/

 

1. Jac Caglianone | 1B/LHP | Florida

 

2. Brody Brecht | RHP | Iowa

 

3. JJ Weatherholt | INF | West Virginia

 

4. Chase Burns | RHP | Tennessee

 

5. Charlie Condon | 1B/OF | Georgia

 

6. Vance Honeycutt | OF | North Carolina

 

7. Nick Kurtz | 1B | Wake Forest

 

8. Tommy White | 1B/3B | LSU

 

9. Travis Bazzana | 2B | Oregon State

 

10. Hagen Smith | LHP | Arkansas

 

11. Braden Montgomery | OF/RHP | Stanford

 

12. Carter Holton | LHP | Vanderbilt

 

13. Michael Massey | RHP | Wake Forest

 

14. Drew Beam | RHP | Tennessee

 

If we all start an internet rumor that burns has a ucl tear and hope and pray that he falls to us in the draft!!!!!

[moonslav59]

If we all start an internet rumor that burns has a ucl tear and hope and pray that he falls to us in the draft!!!!!

 

We'll still take a SS, even if he does.

[Larry Cook]

We'll still take a SS, even if he does.

 

That was when Hang’em Chaim was here. One of holtzon, smith or Massey would be a huge drop off from burns

[moonslav59]

That was when Hang’em Chaim was here. One of holtzon, smith or Massey would be a huge drop off from burns

 

Most GMs take SSs. They are often the best player on the team and move off SS in the minors, many times.

 

Pitchers are more risky, especially after the top 5 picks, but even top 5's have a worse track record than everyday players.

 

Why insist on taking riskier players?

 

Just trade for pitching. Now that Bloom is not here....

[Hugh2]

If we all start an internet rumor that burns has a ucl tear and hope and pray that he falls to us in the draft!!!!!

 

By the time the draft come around he could fall out of the top 10 regardless, boards will look very different by next summer. There are a ton of Kids going into their Senior year of highschool or Junior year of college that are just going to pop. It's fun to look this early, but half the big names aren't even on there yet.

[Hugh2]

Most GMs take SSs. They are often the best player on the team and move off SS in the minors, many times.

 

Pitchers are more risky, especially after the top 5 picks, but even top 5's have a worse track record than everyday players.

 

Why insist on taking riskier players?

 

Just trade for pitching. Now that Bloom is not here....

 

Also, Chaim isn't drafting players. The people who run the draft are still here, I'd suspect in 2024 the Sox take anywhere from 6-8 short stops again.

[mvp 78]

Most GMs take SSs. They are often the best player on the team and move off SS in the minors, many times.

 

Pitchers are more risky, especially after the top 5 picks, but even top 5's have a worse track record than everyday players.

 

Why insist on taking riskier players?

 

Just trade for pitching. Now that Bloom is not here....

 

It's true that pitching is very risky.

 

Think of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker. Leiter isn't a top 100 prospect now. Kumar Rocker got TJS.