Red Sox Sign Masataka Yoshida

[Hugh2]

I'm thinking THern will look for the biggest and longest payday he can get. He won't be younger, in 2025.

 

You would think, but he could probably substantially raise his value with a bounce-back year, which leads me to think he may open to a bigger one-year payday in 2024 to rebuild his value.

 

This is the whole premise of this scenario that I believe to be very plausible.

[moonslav59]

You would think, but he could probably substantially raise his value with a bounce-back year, which leads me to think he may open to a bigger one-year payday in 2024 to rebuild his value.

 

This is the whole premise of this scenario that I believe to be very plausible.

 

Could happen.

[Hugh2]

Could happen.

 

I think it all comes down to the player. This could be right up his alley, or he might opt for the long term security, even if it's much less than what he may get with a bounce back year. Neither is right or wrong and to be fair, we really have no ideal what he would be open to at this point.

 

Also, it's not like a player ever signed a 1 year deal with Boston after playing in Seattle to rebuild his value and had a really good year or something.....that NEVER happened (sarcasm, not a serious comp).

[Dipre]

You would think, but he could probably substantially raise his value with a bounce-back year, which leads me to think he may open to a bigger one-year payday in 2024 to rebuild his value.

 

This is the whole premise of this scenario that I believe to be very plausible.

 

The problem here is that you're making a lot of assumptions. Hernandez' lack of plate discipline portends to production erosion as he ages, with little hope for a bounce-back, no matter how motivated he is.

[Hugh2]

The problem here is that you're making a lot of assumptions. Hernandez' lack of plate discipline portends to production erosion as he ages, with little hope for a bounce-back, no matter how motivated he is.

 

You're not wrong BUT.

 

Aren't many of the scenarios we come up with here on this board based on assumptions? maybe the odds are low, but not astronomically, people who fit Hernandez's profile take one-year deals all the time. Even if it's more likely than not he does not, it's not a terribly unlikely scenario either.

 

And while I agree with your plate discipline, I try to look at that as the totality of the team. If Verdugo could bring in a guy who makes your pitching staff better, and Hernandez/Rafeala push Yoshida to DH I think the team is overall better.

[Dipre]

You're not wrong BUT.

 

Aren't many of the scenarios we come up with here on this board based on assumptions? maybe the odds are low, but not astronomically, people who fit Hernandez's profile take one-year deals all the time. Even if it's more likely than not he does not, it's not a terribly unlikely scenario either.

 

And while I agree with your plate discipline, I try to look at that as the totality of the team. If Verdugo could bring in a guy who makes your pitching staff better, and Hernandez/Rafeala push Yoshida to DH I think the team is overall better.

 

True. But I personally hold low-patience, high k% guys in low regard. But that opinion is part of my set of biases.

[Bellhorn04]

August OPS down to .619.

 

fWAR down to 1.0.

 

24 K's and 3 walks since July 1.

 

Sorry, Dipre, but this is not looking good.

[Old Red]

August OPS down to .619.

 

fWAR down to 1.0.

 

24 K's and 3 walks since July 1.

 

Sorry, Dipre, but this is not looking good.

 

Oh no say it ain’t so. GOshida has turned into NOshida again. No bat, and no glove.

[moonslav59]

True. But I personally hold low-patience, high k% guys in low regard. But that opinion is part of my set of biases.

 

I used to not think it mattered, as long as the guy produces when he does make contact, but all these K's are disheartening.

 

[moonslav59]

Oh no say it ain’t so. GOshida has turned into NOshida again. No bat, and no glove.

 

I may be totally wrong, but you seem giddy over this.

[mvp 78]

He's not playing great, but he's also not the reason the Sox are a .500 team. That's solely because of the starting rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

He's not playing great, but he's also not the reason the Sox are a .500 team. That's solely because of the starting rotation.

 

Not solely, man. Our offense and defense aren't exactly elite.

[Old Red]

I may be totally wrong, but you seem giddy over this.

 

Only giddy, because some want to trade Yoshida already. I bet that is #1 on Bloom’s to do list this off season.

[Old Red]

Not solely, man. Our offense and defense aren't exactly elite.

 

I think the BP for the most part is what’s held this team somewhat together this year. Definitely not the lumber. Slammies, and 3R HR has looked good lately though.

[mvp 78]

Not solely, man.

 

If the rotation wasn't a dumpster fire that required bullpen games that overworked the bullpen, this team wouldn't be .500.

[Old Red]

If the rotation wasn't a dumpster fire that required bullpen games that overworked the bullpen, this team wouldn't be .500.

 

Pitching, pitching, and more pitching (starting rotation). Seems like I’ve heard we’ve needed that for years.

[mvp 78]

Pitching, pitching, and more pitching (starting rotation). Seems like I’ve heard we’ve needed that for years.

 

04: Schilling, Pedro, Wake, Lowe, Arroyo: averaged 30+ starts a piece

 

07: DiceK, Beckett, Wake, Schilling, Lester

 

13: Lester, Lackey, Dempster, Buchholz, Dubront

 

18: Porcello, Price, Sale, Eovaldi, ERod

 

Those are 4 really fantastic rotations. That's why pitching and more pitching is always the goal.

[Old Red]

04: Schilling, Pedro, Wake, Lowe, Arroyo: averaged 30+ starts a piece

 

07: DiceK, Beckett, Wake, Schilling, Lester

 

13: Lester, Lackey, Dempster, Buchholz, Dubront

 

18: Porcello, Price, Sale, Eovaldi, ERod

 

Those are 4 really fantastic rotations. That's why pitching and more pitching is always the goal.

More pitching is definitely an answer. Seems like we’ve gone through 10-15 starters the last two years each.

[moonslav59]

More pitching is definitely an answer. Seems like we’ve gone through 10-15 starters the last two years each.

 

To me, it's always been about the rotation.

 

I do think fixing the D is also needed, or getting better pitching while forcing them to get 4 outs an inning might be pointless.

[moonslav59]

04: Schilling, Pedro, Wake, Lowe, Arroyo: averaged 30+ starts a piece

 

07: DiceK, Beckett, Wake, Schilling, Lester

 

13: Lester, Lackey, Dempster, Buchholz, Dubront

 

18: Porcello, Price, Sale, Eovaldi, ERod

 

Those are 4 really fantastic rotations. That's why pitching and more pitching is always the goal.

 

One main thing about every one of those years, except one was the total GS each of these pitchers gave, those years.

 

We had very similar rotations in the years around those, but too many SP'er missed too many starts. When they did need a 6th starter, it was usually just a 6th and not a 7th, 8th, 9th....

 

GS'd

2004

33: pedro & Lowe

32 Schill

30 Wake

29 Arroyo

 

2007

32 Dice-K

31 Wake

30 Beckett

24 Schill

23 Taverez + 11 Lester

 

2013

33 Lester

32 Dempster

29 Lackey & Doubront

16 Buch + 10 Peavy

 

2018 (the mild exception)

33 Porcello

30 Price

27 Sale

23 ERod +11 Pompom

13 Johnson + 11 Nate

 

Projected 2023 GS'd

28 Bello

24 Paxton

24 Crawford

20 Sale (assuming no new injury)

17 Houck

11 Pivetta

10 Whitlock

9 Kluber

15 Openers

 

[moonslav59]

Not solely, man. Our offense and defense aren't exactly elite.

 

We can win with this offense, if we had two more solid and durable SP'ers and just average D.

[moonslav59]

Only giddy, because some want to trade Yoshida already. I bet that is #1 on Bloom’s to do list this off season.

 

Suggesting a trade of Yoshida is not really "wanting" to trade him.

 

If Casas could play just average defense at 1B, I'd love to keep Yoshida and move him to FT DH (back-up LF.)

 

IMO, based on my "eye test," Casas and Yoshida are worse defenders than Yoshida. (Duran might be, too.)

[mvp 78]

To me, it's always been about the rotation.

 

I do think fixing the D is also needed, or getting better pitching while forcing them to get 4 outs an inning might be pointless.

 

In 04, Damon, Manny and Millar were all pretty bad defensively.

[moonslav59]

In 04, Damon, Manny and Millar were all pretty bad defensively.

 

Damon was not bad, but he had a noodle for an arm, and I'm talking macaroni not Fettucini.

 

Bad D at 1B and LF can be overcome, but adding 3B and SS and CF is just too much to ask of your pitchers.

 

[mvp 78]

Damon was not bad, but he had a noodle for an arm, and I'm talking macaroni not Fettucini.

 

Bad D at 1B and LF can be overcome, but adding 3B and SS and CF is just too much to ask of your pitchers.

 

 

Damon's -0.6 dWAR in 04 is worse than Devers' this year and you want to move Devers to 1b. His -11 DRS was almost twice as bad as Masa's and people want to either trade or DH him.

[Bellhorn04]

Damon's -0.6 dWAR in 04 is worse than Devers' this year and you want to move Devers to 1b. His -11 DRS was almost twice as bad as Masa's and people want to either trade or DH him.

 

Damon had an fWAR of 4.3 in 2004. Masa's 2023 fWAR is 1.0.

 

Damon's speed and baserunning were a big plus. Masa's are a big minus.

[Old Red]

Suggesting a trade of Yoshida is not really "wanting" to trade him.

 

If Casas could play just average defense at 1B, I'd love to keep Yoshida and move him to FT DH (back-up LF.)

 

IMO, based on my "eye test," Casas and Yoshida are worse defenders than Yoshida. (Duran might be, too.)

 

Add analytics, and the eye test together, and it’s even worse. Casas doesn’t even have the proper footwork at 1B taking throws, so I don’t see him getting much better.

Edited August 22, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Damon's -0.6 dWAR in 04 is worse than Devers' this year and you want to move Devers to 1b. His -11 DRS was almost twice as bad as Masa's and people want to either trade or DH him.

 

I was fine seeing Damon go.

[mvp 78]

Damon had an fWAR of 4.3 in 2004. Masa's 2023 fWAR is 1.0.

 

Damon's speed and baserunning were a big plus. Masa's are a big minus.

 

Not sure what baserunning has to do with defense?

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure what baserunning has to do with defense?

 

Nothing. It's just that I've been harping on Masa's fWAR, and that's one of the reasons it's only 1.0. To me it's total value that matters.