2023 Free Agents

[moonslav59]

They needed a catcher in AAA, they still have to field the Minor league teams.

 

Thay have Hamilton and RHern for AAA. Scott in AA might be close to AAA, and Hickey might be promoted to AA, this season.

Edited January 17, 2023 by moonslav59

[Hugh2]

They already had 2 that can't opt out. Alfaro can opt out. This doesn't solve that issue.

 

I'm not sure how much of a catcher Ronaldo Hernandez is anymore, and Caleb Hamilton isn't anything too exciting either. If they think they have a better upgrade for a depth option and they don't have to really pay him anything, that's fine. Like I said, the Milb teams need to be field too.

[Hugh2]

This is not a new move, 20 years ago these were the types of moves made all the time but no one ever talked about them or cared. No, it's annoying to hear about because every small transaction gets weighed against the big moves they did or did not do as if this stops them from making more high-end moves. It doesn't, they just suck at signing good free agents top dollar.

[moonslav59]

This is not a new move, 20 years ago these were the types of moves made all the time but no one ever talked about them or cared. No, it's annoying to hear about because every small transaction gets weighed against the big moves they did or did not do as if this stops them from making more high-end moves. It doesn't, they just suck at signing good free agents top dollar.

 

Good points.

 

The best moves made by Bloom:

 

FA

$7 x 2 Kike (maybe the $10 x 1 Kike extension)

$3.1M x 1 Renfroe

$7M x 1 Wacha

$5M x 1 Hill

$3M x 1 Strahm

 

Rule 5

Whitlock

 

Trades:

Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree

Ottavino & German for cash

McGuire for Diekman

Springs for Sam Travis

 

Waivers:

Scheiber

Arroyo

 

Minor League FA

Refsnyder

Kelly

 

No major signings have worked well, so far. His biggest signings before this winter:

$140M/6 Story

$10M/1 Richards

$14M/2 Kike

$10M/2 Paxton

$8M/2 Diekman (Traded for McGuire)

$7M/1 Wacha

$6M/1 Perez

These are all the deals over $5M.

 

Extension:

$18.75M/2 Barnes

$18.75M/4 Whitlock

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Thay have Hamilton and RHern for AAA. Scott in AA might be close to AAA, and Hickey might be promoted to AA, this season.

 

Scott probably spends the full season in AA working on his catching. He's still really new to it. Maybe they do a conga line thing with him and Hickey, but neither is very good back there from what I've heard.

[notin]

This is not a new move, 20 years ago these were the types of moves made all the time but no one ever talked about them or cared. No, it's annoying to hear about because every small transaction gets weighed against the big moves they did or did not do as if this stops them from making more high-end moves. It doesn't, they just suck at signing good free agents top dollar.

 

Well, so far Bloom is 0 for 1, assuming you’ve given up on Story…

[notin]

Good points.

 

The best moves made by Bloom:

 

FA

$7 x 2 Kike (maybe the $10 x 1 Kike extension)

$3.1M x 1 Renfroe

$7M x 1 Wacha

$5M x 1 Hill

$3M x 1 Strahm

 

Rule 5

Whitlock

 

Trades:

Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree

Ottavino & German for cash

McGuire for Diekman

 

Waivers:

Scheiber

Arroyo

 

Minor League FA

Refsnyder

Kelly

 

No major signings have worked well, so far. His biggest signings before this winter:

$140M/6 Story

$10M/1 Richards

$14M/2 Kike

$10M/2 Paxton

$8M/2 Diekman (Traded for McGuire)

$7M/1 Wacha

$6M/1 Perez

These are all the deals over $5M.

 

Extension:

$18.75M/2 Barnes

$18.75M/4 Whitlock

 

 

Another good trade would be Sam Travis for Springs. And then Springs and Mazza for Hernandez would be a bad one…

[mvp 78]

Another good trade would be Sam Travis for Springs. And then Springs and Mazza for Hernandez would be a bad one…

 

Sam Travis has a similar skillset to Joey Votto. I don't think they should give up on him so quickly. Development is not linear. Remember, even Martin Perez got better at age 31.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

they just suck at signing good free agents top dollar.

Well, so far Bloom is 0 for 1, assuming you’ve given up on Story…

 

Maybe Hugh meant they suck at getting good free agents to sign their names to contracts in Boston...

[moonslav59]

Maybe Hugh meant they suck at getting good free agents to sign their names to contracts in Boston...

 

I'm not sure any GM could have gotten Bogey to sign for $160M/6, unless it was 3 years ago.

[Hugh2]

Well, so far Bloom is 0 for 1, assuming you’ve given up on Story…

 

I have not given up on him, but one can't deny it's not looking so great right now.

[Hugh2]

Sox are about to sign free agent Adam Duvall. They view him as an outfielder.

 

Very meh, but what would one expect at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he lays an egg or has a nice bounce back .800+ ops season.

[moonslav59]

Well, so far Bloom is 0 for 1, assuming you’ve given up on Story…

 

Last 3 years of Theo: 1/2

$142M/7 Crawford

$82.5M/5 Lackey

 

3 Years of Ben: 1/1 or 1/2 or 0/1 or 0/2 of 0/3...

(AGon Extension at $154M/7)

($110M/8 Extension for Pedey)

$95M/5 Pablo (not really too large or too long)

$88M/4 HRam (not really large or long)

 

4 Years of DD: 1/2 or 1/3 or TBD

$217M/7 Price

(Sale Extension at $145M/5)

$110M/5 JD

($82.5M/4 Extension for Porcello)

$68M/4 Nate (not really large or long)

($60M/3 Bogey Extension opt out)

 

3 Years of Bloom: 0-1 or 1/2 or TBD

($313M/10 Extension)

$140M/6 Story

 

It's hard to grade some of these, and where do you set the mark for "big deals?"

 

4+ Years?

5+ years?

 

$80M+?

$100M+?

Do you adjust for inflation?

[notin]

Last 3 years of Theo: 1/2

$142M/7 Crawford

$82.5M/5 Lackey

 

3 Years of Ben: 1/1 or 1/2 or 0/1 or 0/2 of 0/3...

(AGon Extension at $154M/7)

($110M/8 Extension for Pedey)

$95M/5 Pablo (not really too large or too long)

$88M/4 HRam (not really large or long)

 

4 Years of DD: 1/2 or 1/3 or TBD

$217M/7 Price

(Sale Extension at $145M/5)

$110M/5 JD

($82.5M/4 Extension for Porcello)

$68M/4 Nate (not really large or long)

($60M/3 Bogey Extension opt out)

 

3 Years of Bloom: 0-1 or 1/2 or TBD

($313M/10 Extension)

$140M/6 Story

 

It's hard to grade some of these, and where do you set the mark for "big deals?"

 

4+ Years?

5+ years?

 

$80M+?

$100M+?

Do you adjust for inflation?

 

With Bloom, he’s only issued one contract longer than 2 years to a player who has played a single game on it…

[moonslav59]

Sox are about to sign free agent Adam Duvall. They view him as an outfielder.

 

Very meh, but what would one expect at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he lays an egg or has a nice bounce back .800+ ops season.

 

He's averaged about 40 HRs and 110 RBI per 650 PAs since 2019, including 38 and 113 in 2021. He also won a GG in 2021 but not in CF.

 

He also averages about 200 Ks per 650 and has just a .287 OBP since 2019.

 

Defense?

CF just 594 innings

+4 DRS

+4.7 UZR/150

RF

+3 DRS in 812 innings

-0.8 UZR/150

LF

+51 DRS in 4500 innings

+6.0 UZR/150

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox are about to sign free agent Adam Duvall. They view him as an outfielder.

 

Very meh, but what would one expect at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he lays an egg or has a nice bounce back .800+ ops season.

 

The more world champs, the better -- especially, guys who know how to beat Houston.

[moonslav59]

I would rather we find a SS and 2Bman than a CF'er. Just keep Kike in CF.

 

Getting Duval for RF makes more sense, and then trade Dugo- perhaps for a middle IF'er.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I would rather we find a SS and 2Bman than a CF'er. Just keep Kike in CF.

 

Getting Duval for RF makes more sense, and then trade Dugo- perhaps for a middle IF'er.

 

I'll take Duvall, even if they also add an infielder.

 

A right-handed power hitter who who can actually play outfield in the big leagues -- Red Sox could've used one of those for over a year now.

[notin]

I would rather we find a SS and 2Bman than a CF'er. Just keep Kike in CF.

 

Getting Duval for RF makes more sense, and then trade Dugo- perhaps for a middle IF'er.

 

Those are the options.

 

Duvall in CF or Duvall in RF.

 

Now the latter still might mean Duran in CF…

[notin]

So what if the Sox put Duvall in RF and deal Verdugo for Gleyber Torres?

 

The Yankees get their missing LF and clear a path to playing time for DJ LeMahieu. The Red Sox get their missing middle infielder.

 

C - McGuire/Alfaro. Trevino

1b - Casas. Rizzo

2b - Torres. LeMahieu

SS - E Hernandez. IKF

3b - Devers. Donaldson

LF - Yoshida. Verdugo

CF - Duran. Bader

RF - Duvall. Judge

DH - Turner. Stanton

 

 

Is each team better than it was yesterday?

[mvp 78]

Sox are about to sign free agent Adam Duvall. They view him as an outfielder.

 

Very meh, but what would one expect at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he lays an egg or has a nice bounce back .800+ ops season.

 

He'll be better than anyone else they currently have in RF.

[mvp 78]

I would rather we find a SS and 2Bman than a CF'er. Just keep Kike in CF.

 

Getting Duval for RF makes more sense, and then trade Dugo- perhaps for a middle IF'er.

 

They are signing him for CF?

 

 

Kiké just isn't a very good SS IMO. If they are just sliding Kiké there, it's making the defense worse.

 

C McGuire

1B Casas

2B Arroyo

SS Andrus

3B Devers

RF Duvall

CF Kiké

LF Yoshida

 

is much better than putting Kiké at SS, Verdugo at RF and Duvall in CF.

[mvp 78]

So what if the Sox put Duvall in RF and deal Verdugo for Gleyber Torres?

 

The Yankees get their missing LF and clear a path to playing time for DJ LeMahieu. The Red Sox get their missing middle infielder.

 

C - McGuire/Alfaro. Trevino

1b - Casas. Rizzo

2b - Torres. LeMahieu

SS - E Hernandez. IKF

3b - Devers. Donaldson

LF - Yoshida. Verdugo

CF - Duran. Bader

RF - Duvall. Judge

DH - Turner. Stanton

 

 

Is each team better than it was yesterday?

 

I'd do that trade. Are the Yankees better after that? Probably not. Sox would still need to add a SS and leave Kiké in CF.

[moonslav59]

I'd rather trade Dugo for a SS or 2Bman, keep Kike in CF and play Duvall in RF.

 

[mvp 78]

I'd rather trade Dugo for a SS or 2Bman, keep Kike in CF and play Duvall in RF.

 

 

Yes, sir.

[moonslav59]

Yes, sir.

 

Maybe easier said than done.

 

How many GMs value Dugo highly?

 

How many teams really need a LF'er more than 2B or SS?

 

[notin]

I'd rather trade Dugo for a SS or 2Bman, keep Kike in CF and play Duvall in RF.

 

 

 

We all would, but the Sox are actually likely to give Jarren Duran a real shot somewhere, because they need players, he’s here, and his MiLB track record leaves little to prove…

[notin]

I'd do that trade. Are the Yankees better after that? Probably not. Sox would still need to add a SS and leave Kiké in CF.

 

Yankees would be giving a regular role to a Gold Glover with a batting title. That’s not so bad…

[notin]

Maybe easier said than done.

 

How many GMs value Dugo highly?

 

How many teams really need a LF'er more than 2B or SS?

 

 

Yankees do. They’re loaded with middle infield and have a vacancy in LF…

[Old Red]

If it happens fine, but reports of being in on Duvall have been out there for a few weeks now, and nothing’s happened along with being in on a number of IF. I’ll believe it when it happens. I keep hearing all the Duran talk too just like last year like he’s in their plans, and I don’t believe he is just like last year, and just like last year I don’t think he is used unless a very last option.