2023 Free Agents

[Old Red]

No.

 

It turns out that just because a lot of people believe something doesn’t make it true. A lot of people used to think the old was flat - heck some still do. Does that mean it was ever true?

 

No it doesn’t, but my point is out in RSN there are more people who believe that Bloom is not that good, and on here it’s the other way around, which doesn’t make it true either. I’ll go with the masses on this one.

[Bellhorn04]

No it doesn’t, but my point is out in RSN there are more people who believe that Bloom is not that good, and on here it’s the other way around, which doesn’t make it true either. I’ll go with the masses on this one.

 

What do you actually know about what the masses think? How many of them have you actually heard from?

[Hugh2]

No it doesn’t, but my point is out in RSN there are more people who believe that Bloom is not that good, and on here it’s the other way around, which doesn’t make it true either. I’ll go with the masses on this one.

 

What evidence do you have that more people out of here think like you?

 

Psychology teaches us that people assume everyone else in the world thinks like them, but that’s not always the case. The only sample size you seem to be aware of in here you admit that opinion is wrong.

 

People who are negative, and critical tend to be much more vocal about their opinions, while other keep to themselves. People who hate Bloom are comfortable spreading there opinion around. People who are not as critical of Bloom don’t feel the need to go around throwing parades for him.

 

Now I happen to agree with you. I think it’s probably a 50/50 split. There are plenty of Sox fans out there who see Bloom doing the job he was hired to do. The blame is more on Henry, JH is ultimately the one who told him to trade guys like Benentedi and Betts. This much is obvious yet people still blame Bloom for it.

[Hugh2]

Ughhh their*

[notin]

No it doesn’t, but my point is out in RSN there are more people who believe that Bloom is not that good, and on here it’s the other way around, which doesn’t make it true either. I’ll go with the masses on this one.

 

And people on this board called him out repeatedly for being cheap simply because he didn’t sign big name free agents to huge contracts. Until some of them realized the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

[notin]

What evidence do you have that more people out of here think like you?

 

Psychology teaches us that people assume everyone else in the world thinks like them, but that’s not always the case. The only sample size you seem to be aware of in here you admit that opinion is wrong.

 

People who are negative, and critical tend to be much more vocal about their opinions, while other keep to themselves. People who hate Bloom are comfortable spreading there opinion around. People who are not as critical of Bloom don’t feel the need to go around throwing parades for him.

 

Now I happen to agree with you. I think it’s probably a 50/50 split. There are plenty of Sox fans out there who see Bloom doing the job he was hired to do. The blame is more on Henry, JH is ultimately the one who told him to trade guys like Benentedi and Betts. This much is obvious yet people still blame Bloom for it.

 

Not to mention, plenty of people only go public to complain about something. The entire business plan of Yelp is based on this…

[Hugh2]

Not to mention, plenty of people only go public to complain about something. The entire business plan of Yelp is based on this…

 

Great analogy. People are more likely to feel compelled to give a negative review than a positive review. People literally have to pay, beg their family and friends, or offer incentives to customers to get people to leave positive reviews

[Old Red]

What do you actually know about what the masses think? How many of them have you actually heard from?

 

Thanks for asking, and that would be 25 at the gym. 20 against, and 5 sustained. Out side of here how many have you heard from whose pro Bloom? This was just yesterday.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Old Red

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not to mention, plenty of people only go public to complain about something. The entire business plan of Yelp is based on this…

 

Hey - no politics on the board, dammit!

[Old Red]

Not to mention, plenty of people only go public to complain about something. The entire business plan of Yelp is based on this…

 

Love him, or don’t like the job he’s doing Bloom is certainly polarizing for someone whose not very polarized.

[Hugh2]

Thanks for asking, and that would be 25 at the gym. 20 against, and 5 sustained. Out side of here how many have you heard from whose pro Bloom? This was just yesterday.

 

Wait, you actually went around surveying people at the gym….and counted?

[notin]

Thanks for asking, and that would be 25 at the gym. 20 against, and 5 sustained. Out side of here how many have you heard from whose pro Bloom? This was just yesterday.

 

And how many of them think Bloom is being cheap in spite of the $230mill payroll?

 

How many of them think Bloom chose to trade Betts? Or that Bloom should have negotiated more with Betts?

 

How many of them blame Bloom for Sale still being on the roster?

[Old Red]

And people on this board called him out repeatedly for being cheap simply because he didn’t sign big name free agents to huge contracts. Until some of them realized the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

 

This board is just a very small sample size is it not? Out in the vast reaches of RSN there are millions, and millions of the Rock’s fans who aren’t Bloom’s fans. Yes I know it’s hard to believe.

[notin]

This board is just a very small sample size is it not? Out in the vast reaches of RSN there are millions, and millions of the Rock’s fans who aren’t Bloom’s fans. Yes I know it’s hard to believe.

 

Millions?

 

I’m calling you out on that one. We’re there millions of Bloom Dissenters after 2021, too?

[Old Red]

And how many of them think Bloom is being cheap in spite of the $230mill payroll?

 

How many of them think Bloom chose to trade Betts? Or that Bloom should have negotiated more with Betts?

 

How many of them blame Bloom for Sale still being on the roster?

I would say most just said the Red Sox record was what it was this past year, and Bloom was in charge, and like Sam Kennedy has said Bloom failed.

[Old Red]

Millions?

 

I’m calling you out on that one. We’re there millions of Bloom Dissenters after 2021, too?

 

Ah going back to 2021, which seems light years away. Of course a losing last place in the Div team will do that to you.

[Hugh2]

Millions?

 

I’m calling you out on that one. We’re there millions of Bloom Dissenters after 2021, too?

 

I don’t know, but we do know that the 25 people Red talked to at his gym do not like Bloom.

 

Reminds me of an experience I had at the gym about two weeks ago. Some guy went on a rant about the government, which I won’t get into here. My point is it was easier for me to agree with him and walk away than to get into an argument or discussion I didn’t want to get into. FWIW, the brief conversation was completely unsolicited….I asked him how his day was.

[notin]

Ah going back to 2021, which seems light years away. Of course a losing last place in the Div team will do that to you.

 

Right. But Cult Dombrowski goes back to 2018 daily.

 

And if you don’t also consider 2021, then you’re making all your decisions on one single year. Are you saying that’s smart?

 

I suppose if it gives you the answer you wanted all along…

[Old Red]

Right. But Cult Dombrowski goes back to 2018 daily.

 

And if you don’t also consider 2021, then you’re making all your decisions on one single year. Are you saying that’s smart?

 

I suppose if it gives you the answer you wanted all along…

I’m not cult DD, but his record in Boston speaks for itself. 4 winning seasons, and the best record in Red Sox history was on his watch. No it wasn’t all his doing, but it was on his watch. I keep repeating that Bloom failed this past year, and that is the bottom line cause Sam Kennedy said so.

[notin]

I’m not cult DD, but his record in Boston speaks for itself. 4 winning seasons, and the best record in Red Sox history was on his watch. No it wasn’t all his doing, but it was on his watch. I keep repeating that Bloom failed this past year, and that is the bottom line cause Sam Kennedy said so.

 

The big difference between the two was Dombrowski was handed a great core of young players, a highly-ranked farm system, and an open checkbook. That’s the perfect situation for any GM.

 

Bloom was hired to clean up a bloated payroll and had no immediate help on the farm. That’s a ridiculous job. Frankly I’m impressed the team did turn spring and have a successful 2021, all things considered, and coming from the shortened mess of 2020, it was an immense surprise.

 

You might be willing to admit Dombrowski didn’t completely build the 2018 team (not like it’s tough to prove otherwise) but do you admit he did his share to build the 2022 last place team? I bet he was responsible for as much if not more of that payroll as Bloom was…

[a700hitter]

I’m not cult DD, but his record in Boston speaks for itself. 4 winning seasons, and the best record in Red Sox history was on his watch. No it wasn’t all his doing, but it was on his watch. I keep repeating that Bloom failed this past year, and that is the bottom line cause Sam Kennedy said so.

That’s right. In DD’s 4 seasons, he won 3 consecutive Divisions, including a World Championship that was the best season in team history. All 4 seasons under DD were winning seasons. In the other 7 seasons sandwiching DD’s tenure, there were 5 last place seasons:

 

2012

2014

2015

2020

2022

 

Five of seven seasons they finished LAST. That is not sustainable. That is worse than the team’s run in the early 1960’s

[Old Red]

The big difference between the two was Dombrowski was handed a great core of young players, a highly-ranked farm system, and an open checkbook. That’s the perfect situation for any GM.

 

Bloom was hired to clean up a bloated payroll and had no immediate help on the farm. That’s a ridiculous job. Frankly I’m impressed the team did turn spring and have a successful 2021, all things considered, and coming from the shortened mess of 2020, it was an immense surprise.

 

You might be willing to admit Dombrowski didn’t completely build the 2018 team (not like it’s tough to prove otherwise) but do you admit he did his share to build the 2022 last place team? I bet he was responsible for as much if not more of that payroll as Bloom was…

Deny, deny, accuse. This is Bloom’s watch now and has been for 3 years, and you can make all the excuses you want for him, but he’s in charge, and he responsible. DD is gone, and is in charge of a team that just went to the WS. I wish the Red Sox had someone like that. Oh wait they did, and now they don’t. Sad, but true.

[Old Red]

That’s right. In DD’s 4 seasons, he won 3 consecutive Divisions, including a World Championship that was the best season in team history. All 4 seasons under DD were winning seasons. In the other 7 seasons sandwiching DD’s tenure, there were 5 last place seasons:

 

2012

2014

2015

2020

2022

 

Five of seven seasons they finished LAST. That is not sustainable. That is worse than the team’s run in the early 1960’s

 

The facts are the facts, and these are the facts. That’s the fact Jack.

[a700hitter]

Deny, deny, accuse. This is Bloom’s watch now and has been for 3 years, and you can make all the excuses you want for him, but he’s in charge, and he responsible. DD is gone, and is in charge of a team that just went to the WS. I wish the Red Sox had someone like that. Oh wait they did, and now they don’t. Sad, but true.

You are what your record says that you are, and DD’s record has always been great. Bloom should have been thrown overboard for the Astros Champion GM, but 2023 has to be his last chance.

[Old Red]

You are what your record says that you are, and DD’s record has always been great. Bloom should have been thrown overboard for the Astros Champion GM, but 2023 has to be his last chance.

 

Agree, but I don’t think JH is ready to admit he made a mistake in hiring Bloom.

[notin]

Deny, deny, accuse. This is Bloom’s watch now and has been for 3 years, and you can make all the excuses you want for him, but he’s in charge, and he responsible. DD is gone, and is in charge of a team that just went to the WS. I wish the Red Sox had someone like that. Oh wait they did, and now they don’t. Sad, but true.

 

So you clearly don’t get how these long term contracts work…

[notin]

You are what your record says that you are, and DD’s record has always been great. Bloom should have been thrown overboard for the Astros Champion GM, but 2023 has to be his last chance.

 

You want Click? Really? The guy is Chaim Bloom Redux!!!

 

Click started out in the Rays organization with Bloom in 2005. Both were writers for Baseball Prospectus. Both are deep into analytics.

 

The differences?

 

Click has shown he prefers to just let free agents walk. Don’t like what the Sox got for Betts or Vazquez? Compare it to the Astros haul for Correa, Cole and Springer.

 

Also Click walked into a GREAT SITUATION. The Astros had a slew talented pitching prospects whose only flaw was they drew less press than the hitting prospects in Toronto. And the guy who built it all got canned for cheating - not for doing anything bad to the budget out the farm. But for letting players slap trash cans.

 

But the grass is always greener, I guess…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agree, but I don’t think JH is ready to admit he made a mistake in hiring Bloom.

 

Not yet. Instead, forum Damage Control contradicts that the Red Sox are a Top Five Spender -- but most of the payroll is dead money from the previous GM. Meanwhile, Henry has Kennedy admit that the current record is on all of them... so doesn't that mean the remaining budget has been spent unwisely? At least thus far...?

[Old Red]

So you clearly don’t get how these long term contracts work…

 

It’s amazing that whenever I don’t agree with someone on here it’s either I don’t get something, or I don’t know something. I get, and know plenty, and that’s why there is a disagreement. For the upteenth time Bloom is a failure, and Sam Kennedy said so, and I agree 100% with him, and no one is going to charnge my mind, but try as you will. You look at things one way, and I look at them another.

[Old Red]

Not yet. Instead, forum Damage Control contradicts that the Red Sox are a Top Five Spender -- but most of the payroll is dead money from the previous GM. Meanwhile, Henry has Kennedy admit that the current record is on all of them... so doesn't that mean the remaining budget has been spent unwisely? At least thus far...?

 

To go over the tax line for a losing last place team says it all to me. Word on the street that JH was not to happy with Bloom on that one.