A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[Larry Cook]

It's not so easy to rebuild a farm system from bottom 5 in just a few short years, especially under the system we have now, where throwing money at unsignable draftees is not possible anymore and IFA money is limited.

 

It's hard to tell how well Bloom has done rebuilding the farm. Many of our current top prospects were actually DD additions, but he hasn't traded away many prospects, and he's added a few by trade- like Winckowski, Seabold, German, Binelas, Hamilton, Downs and Wong.

 

The jury is outq, but the farm is rising in the rankings and improving our odds that we will start getting some helpful, youth infusion into the 26 man roster, soon and into the extended future. That was not an easy feat, despite the high draft pick we got by sucking in 2020.

 

Nobody else drafted Mayer ahead of us.

 

Bleacher report had us at number 19 recently. I am excited about the youngsters we have added in the last couple of years or so.

 

A good half dozen of these guys have very high ceilings, and I am hopeful we can help them develop to their fullest potential.

 

Mayer

Yorke

Jordan

Rafeala

W Gonzalez

Blies

[moonslav59]

Bleacher report had us at number 19 recently. I am excited about the youngsters we have added in the last couple of years or so.

 

A good half dozen of these guys have very high ceilings, and I am hopeful we can help them develop to their fullest potential.

 

Mayer

Yorke

Jordan

Rafeala

W Gonzalez

Blies

 

That might be the worst ranking of anyone. I'm thinking we might be #11-14.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Huge roadtrip, 10 games on the West coast. Three at Oakland, four at LA Angels, three in Seattle. The Red Sox begin just 2 1/2 games behind the Angels for the final wild card spot.

 

This trip could define direction for the front office. None of these opponents are powerhouses, and it seems like Boston needs a winning record to not only make up some ground but to regain some momentum.

[mvp 78]

Bleacher report had us at number 19 recently. I am excited about the youngsters we have added in the last couple of years or so.

 

A good half dozen of these guys have very high ceilings, and I am hopeful we can help them develop to their fullest potential.

 

Mayer

Yorke

Jordan

Rafeala

W Gonzalez

Blies

 

Bleacher Report? Yuck.

[notin]

Bleacher Report? Yuck.

 

Not my favorite source either. But I don’t like just disregarding them if they do put in the effort…

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

As noted by

@soxnotes

, Xander Bogaerts is expected to play his 1,094th career game at SS for the Red Sox today, making him the all-time leader in games played at SS for the Red Sox. He'll break a tie with Everett Scott, who played 1,093 games at short for the Sox from 1914-1921.

[MADSTORK]

I guess STORK was blathering about Winckowski.

 

You are correct

[MADSTORK]

Because it’s embarrassing that Winckowski hasn’t punched his ticket to Cooperstown after 3 career innings?

 

Read the recent Scouting reports. The Player is a junk baller His fastball was non existant in AA and was the first start. At 6 4 you should be throwing gas

 

Beer Leaguer and those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

[MADSTORK]

It's not so easy to rebuild a farm system from bottom 5 in just a few short years, especially under the system we have now, where throwing money at unsignable draftees is not possible anymore and IFA money is limited.

 

It's hard to tell how well Bloom has done rebuilding the farm. Many of our current top prospects were actually DD additions, but he hasn't traded away many prospects, and he's added a few by trade- like Winckowski, Seabold, German, Binelas, Hamilton, Downs and Wong.

 

The jury is out, but the farm is rising in the rankings and improving our odds that we will start getting some helpful, youth infusion into the 26 man roster, soon and into the extended future. That was not an easy feat, despite the high draft pick we got by sucking in 2020.

 

Nobody else drafted Mayer ahead of us.

 

 

Hard to tell? Smell the Coffee 59

The above prospects you list are all way to old for the level there playing at or flat out bust

Seabold should have been given the opportunity last season at all cost

 

Mayer fell in their lap. Arguably the best hitter in the Class but as you know Drafting is a shot in the dark but I'll give credit where credit is due

 

Right now if you have Faith in Bloom to begin trading XB JD or any other pieces for a high return, your delusional

[moonslav59]

Hard to tell? Smell the Coffee 59

The above prospects you list are all way to old for the level there playing at or flat out bust

Seabold should have been given the opportunity last season at all cost

 

Mayer fell in their lap. Arguably the best hitter in the Class but as you know Drafting is a shot in the dark but I'll give credit where credit is due

 

Right now if you have Faith in Bloom to begin trading XB JD or any other pieces for a high return, your delusional

 

1. Not all of our best prospects are old for their levels, and Seabold isn't even top 10, so singling him out as an example of our failed system is plain short-sighted. Our system still has a ways to go, but under the bonus restrictions and IFA bonus pool rules, we've done a good job improving our farm system in about 2 years.

 

2. Some of the 23+ year olds in AAA have had serious injury setbacks, so the age is not the concern.

4. Bello 23

5. Duran 25

6. Walter 26

7. Mata 23

9. Murphy 24

10. Winckowski 23

11. Seabold 26

13. Downs 23

15. Groome 23

19. Fitzy 29

22. Crawford 26

24. Ward 25

27. Wong 26

28. German 24

30. Koss 24

Sure, many of these "older guys" won't pan out, but some still show a lot of promise, and we don't even need half to come through in a meaningful way. Even 1 out 4 might be enough. The biggest gains have been on the younger front. You act like you hold it against Bloom because Mayer fell in his lap. Well, 3 other GMs chose other players. We also have

1. Casas 22

3. Yorke 20

8. Bleis 18

12. Gonzalez 20

14. Rafaela 21

16. Paulino 19

17. Binelas 22

18. Jordan 19

21. Lugo 21

23. McDonough 23 (just out of college)

25. Bonaci 19

26. Hickey 22

 

Others on the rise: Kavadas, Uberstine, Bazardo, Hamilton, Politi and others.

 

Face it: the farm is vastly b etter than it was 2-3 years ago- like it or not.

 

No, they all won't do well. Likely more than half won't, but we've greatly improved the quality and quantity and improved the odds several will break through.

20, Jimenez 21

 

3. Where did I even hint at getting great returns for our FAs to be? I do know Bloom got Pivetta and Seabold for Workman and Hembree, so I do have some hope he will get it right on a few of the pending deals. The idea is not to replace Bogey with the next young Bogey, but to maybe add to the quality and quantity of our farm to improve the odds on striking gold or silver from a few of those added, Th real replacement has to come from the money cleared from the budget. It might be 2-3 players on shorter deals that aren't as good as Bogey, JD and Big Nate, but maybe combined we can create a winner. Plus, who knows if bringing back the big 3 will be the right choice, either? It might be a lose-lose choice.

[moonslav59]

Read the recent Scouting reports. The Player is a junk baller His fastball was non existant in AA and was the first start. At 6 4 you should be throwing gas

 

Beer Leaguer and those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

 

You act like some or most of us were expecting greatness out of guys like Winckowski and Seabold. We know their potential is likely a back-end starter or long relief arm. The thing is, those roles have real value, and we don't need all of these fringe guys to become our 5th starter or RP'er.

 

Yes, we have hopes one or two of the many guys who fit that profile end up exceeding that expectation, and it's not like it never happens. How many of us though Houck would turn out like this, based on his minor league profile? Hell, the Yanks gave up on Whitlock. Years ago, you'd have bashed his profile like you are the current Sox mid-range prospects.

 

We read the scouting reports. Nobody is expecting the next Roger Clemens.

 

Here is the summary reports from sp:

 

Winckowski Potential multi-inning bridge relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starting pitcher. Could be very effective in a bulk role, in which his lack of strikeout potential with his fastball would not be as much of an issue. Slider misses more bats than his changeup at this point, but still does not at a very high level. Margin for error is slim, as he has to rely on commanding his pitches and generating weak contact. To stick as a starter long-term, needs to make strides with his command and improve his slider to the point where it can be counted on as a consistent bat-missing pitch at the major league level. Can effectively tunnel his fastball, sinker, vertical slider and changeup, with all moving in similar ways, but could stand to mix in more of his cutter or a horizontal slider to give hitters a different look. Very competitive. Really thinks about pitching and is always trying to refine his craft.

 

Bello Potential back-end starter. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. If he can not stick as a starter, could develop into a high-leverage reliever. Stuff looks like that of a starter, but combination of thin stature and delivery could indicate a future in the bullpen. Has done a much better job repeating delivery and holding velocity deeper into starts in looks in 2022. At his best, will flash three at least above-average pitches, and on the right day, all will look like potential plus pitches. Fastball and changeup are his best pitches right now and could profile in a late-inning bullpen role if slider and command do not continue to develop. Not imposing physically, but still has projection and has the type of athleticism you look for. Has continued to improve year after year, and now is one of the top pitching prospects in the system.

 

Walter Potential major league swingman. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Will show a starter's arsenal with three average-or-better pitches and the ability to turn over a lineup, but does not have a typical starter's delivery. Command and control need refinement, as does consistency with secondary pitches. Can project as a starter or reliever depending on the day you see him. Has some traits that would push him to each potential outcome, but has the makings of a major league-caliber arm either way. If pushed to the bullpen, combination of stuff and handedness gives him a decent floor. Breakout prospect for whom scouts are still getting a feel.

 

Mata Projects as a back-end starter, but delivery and command profile could ultimately push him to the bullpen, where his stuff could play in a late-inning relief role. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. Has a much better chance to start now after taking to his new slider and cleaning up his delivery. Changeup still needs refinement, but has the potential for a true four-pitch mix with two plus offerings. Has shown the ability to miss bats with all four pitches at various points in his career. After developing physically, harnessing command of his arsenal will be key for his development. Injuries are becoming a concern, particularly after 2021 UCL injury. Will need to continue to watch conditioning as he physically matures. Still is very young and is a very intriguing arm who still has a lot of pitching development left. Tommy John Surgery in April 2021 clouds future starter profile.

 

Murphy Potential multi-inning relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Dominance against lefties gives him a chance to pitch at the major league level. Chances of starting will depend on improving his control and showing he can consistently get right-handed hitters out. Posted extreme splits in 2021, dominating left-handed hitters (.401 OPS, 0 HR) but getting hit very hard by right-handers (.914 OPS, 21 HR). Misses a lot of bats, but pitch counts may prevent him from going deep into games.

 

Seabold Potential number 5 starter. Ceiling of a solid 3-to-4 starter. Lacks a plus pitch right now, but will show three at least-average offerings. Strong pitchability and advanced command and control profile allow his arsenal to play up. At his best, can generate whiffs with three pitches. Not the highest ceiling, but command/control and feel/pitchability, combined with proximity to MLB, give him a high floor. Needs velocity and feel for changeup to return to reach his ceiling. With diminished velocity projects more as a spot-starter or low-end number five type.

 

Gonzalez Great arm with a wide range of potential outcomes. Ceiling of a solid mid-rotation starter, but size and delivery could push him to the bullpen potentially. Great arm strength with a lot of development remaining. Fastball and changeup show the most potential right now. Breaking balls and command and control need work. Still learning how to pitch, but is not as raw as some comparable arms age-wise in the system.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Just wondering... for those who live in or near small market teams: do fans spend time speculating every year which prospects their GMs might be able to get in trades for all star players about to become eligible for free agency? Is it like an annual ritual, with posters consulting sites for Baseball Trade Values, Top 100 lists, and scouting reports?

 

Or do they spend more time fantasizing on sites that rank amateurs in advance of the draft?

 

Or do they just talk football or basketball or hockey or college football or basketball (but not soccer)?

[iortiz]

You act like some or most of us were expecting greatness out of guys like Winckowski and Seabold. We know their potential is likely a back-end starter or long relief arm. The thing is, those roles have real value, and we don't need all of these fringe guys to become our 5th starter or RP'er.

 

Yes, we have hopes one or two of the many guys who fit that profile end up exceeding that expectation, and it's not like it never happens. How many of us though Houck would turn out like this, based on his minor league profile? Hell, the Yanks gave up on Whitlock. Years ago, you'd have bashed his profile like you are the current Sox mid-range prospects.

 

We read the scouting reports. Nobody is expecting the next Roger Clemens.

 

Here is the summary reports from sp:

 

Winckowski Potential multi-inning bridge relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starting pitcher. Could be very effective in a bulk role, in which his lack of strikeout potential with his fastball would not be as much of an issue. Slider misses more bats than his changeup at this point, but still does not at a very high level. Margin for error is slim, as he has to rely on commanding his pitches and generating weak contact. To stick as a starter long-term, needs to make strides with his command and improve his slider to the point where it can be counted on as a consistent bat-missing pitch at the major league level. Can effectively tunnel his fastball, sinker, vertical slider and changeup, with all moving in similar ways, but could stand to mix in more of his cutter or a horizontal slider to give hitters a different look. Very competitive. Really thinks about pitching and is always trying to refine his craft.

 

Bello Potential back-end starter. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. If he can not stick as a starter, could develop into a high-leverage reliever. Stuff looks like that of a starter, but combination of thin stature and delivery could indicate a future in the bullpen. Has done a much better job repeating delivery and holding velocity deeper into starts in looks in 2022. At his best, will flash three at least above-average pitches, and on the right day, all will look like potential plus pitches. Fastball and changeup are his best pitches right now and could profile in a late-inning bullpen role if slider and command do not continue to develop. Not imposing physically, but still has projection and has the type of athleticism you look for. Has continued to improve year after year, and now is one of the top pitching prospects in the system.

 

Walter Potential major league swingman. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Will show a starter's arsenal with three average-or-better pitches and the ability to turn over a lineup, but does not have a typical starter's delivery. Command and control need refinement, as does consistency with secondary pitches. Can project as a starter or reliever depending on the day you see him. Has some traits that would push him to each potential outcome, but has the makings of a major league-caliber arm either way. If pushed to the bullpen, combination of stuff and handedness gives him a decent floor. Breakout prospect for whom scouts are still getting a feel.

 

Mata Projects as a back-end starter, but delivery and command profile could ultimately push him to the bullpen, where his stuff could play in a late-inning relief role. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. Has a much better chance to start now after taking to his new slider and cleaning up his delivery. Changeup still needs refinement, but has the potential for a true four-pitch mix with two plus offerings. Has shown the ability to miss bats with all four pitches at various points in his career. After developing physically, harnessing command of his arsenal will be key for his development. Injuries are becoming a concern, particularly after 2021 UCL injury. Will need to continue to watch conditioning as he physically matures. Still is very young and is a very intriguing arm who still has a lot of pitching development left. Tommy John Surgery in April 2021 clouds future starter profile.

 

Murphy Potential multi-inning relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Dominance against lefties gives him a chance to pitch at the major league level. Chances of starting will depend on improving his control and showing he can consistently get right-handed hitters out. Posted extreme splits in 2021, dominating left-handed hitters (.401 OPS, 0 HR) but getting hit very hard by right-handers (.914 OPS, 21 HR). Misses a lot of bats, but pitch counts may prevent him from going deep into games.

 

Seabold Potential number 5 starter. Ceiling of a solid 3-to-4 starter. Lacks a plus pitch right now, but will show three at least-average offerings. Strong pitchability and advanced command and control profile allow his arsenal to play up. At his best, can generate whiffs with three pitches. Not the highest ceiling, but command/control and feel/pitchability, combined with proximity to MLB, give him a high floor. Needs velocity and feel for changeup to return to reach his ceiling. With diminished velocity projects more as a spot-starter or low-end number five type.

 

Gonzalez Great arm with a wide range of potential outcomes. Ceiling of a solid mid-rotation starter, but size and delivery could push him to the bullpen potentially. Great arm strength with a lot of development remaining. Fastball and changeup show the most potential right now. Breaking balls and command and control need work. Still learning how to pitch, but is not as raw as some comparable arms age-wise in the system.

so basically we are screwed?

[moonslav59]

so basically we are screwed?

 

I don't think so. We have Whitlock and Houck. We have Pivetta with 2 m ore arb years. Maybe Paxton or Sale can return to grace.

 

We will likely get a 4th and 5th starter from the bunch I listed, but maybe just one exceeds what their summaries project. Many of the guys listed are having career years, and their profiles have not been updated.

 

My hope is, we can get a top arm via trade or free agency. We should have over $100M to spend, next winter, but we have to replace or extend Nate, Wacha and Hill. All hope is not lost with me.

[iortiz]

I don't think so. We have Whitlock and Houck. We have Pivetta with 2 m ore arb years. Maybe Paxton or Sale can return to grace.

 

We will likely get a 4th and 5th starter from the bunch I listed, but maybe just one exceeds what their summaries project. Many of the guys listed are having career years, and their profiles have not been updated.

 

My hope is, we can get a top arm via trade or free agency. We should have over $100M to spend, next winter, but we have to replace or extend Nate, Wacha and Hill. All hope is not lost with me.

I mean the farm regarding the pitching. Seems like we have nothing but trash.

[iortiz]

Maybe that's why they insist on using Brasier and Barnes.

[moonslav59]

I mean the farm regarding the pitching. Seems like we have nothing but trash.

 

I wouldn't call it that, but we certainly don't have anyone near a can't miss #2-3 starter, even.

 

It's a more promising outlook than we've had in years, but that's more of a reflection on just how sad it looked before now. I happen to think we will likely get a decent 4 & 5 starter out of this group and maybe one can be a solid #3, someday.

 

We have some promising RP'ers, if that's any consolation. German looks like the real deal. Some of these starters might make fine RP'ers.

 

[notin]

I mean the farm regarding the pitching. Seems like we have nothing but trash.

 

Any potential major leaguer taking a roster spot for minimum wage makes it that much easier to pay for Bogaerts and/or Devers. Fifth starter? 7th bullpen arm? If it’s a minimum wage player, that helps.

 

And with minor leaguers, it’s not uncommon for a 20yo future swingman to become a 21yo potential second or third starter…

[moonslav59]

Any potential major leaguer taking a roster spot for minimum wage makes it that much easier to pay for Bogaerts and/or Devers. Fifth starter? 7th bullpen arm? If it’s a minimum wage player, that helps.

 

And with minor leaguers, it’s not uncommon for a 20yo future swingman to become a 21yo potential second or third starter…

 

And, having 7 or 8 of these types increases the odds one will rise to become a solid #3.

[Larry Cook]

I wouldn't call it that, but we certainly don't have anyone near a can't miss #2-3 starter, even.

 

It's a more promising outlook than we've had in years, but that's more of a reflection on just how sad it looked before now. I happen to think we will likely get a decent 4 & 5 starter out of this group and maybe one can be a solid #3, someday.

 

We have some promising RP'ers, if that's any consolation. German looks like the real deal. Some of these starters might make fine RP'ers.

 

 

Hang’em Chaim seems to have an acute inability to differentiate average stuff from electric stuff.

 

And as far as how our lower minor league teams are currently constructed, he seems to have an odd fascination with collecting pitchers with below average stuff.

[MADSTORK]

You act like some or most of us were expecting greatness out of guys like Winckowski and Seabold. We know their potential is likely a back-end starter or long relief arm. The thing is, those roles have real value, and we don't need all of these fringe guys to become our 5th starter or RP'er.

 

Yes, we have hopes one or two of the many guys who fit that profile end up exceeding that expectation, and it's not like it never happens. How many of us though Houck would turn out like this, based on his minor league profile? Hell, the Yanks gave up on Whitlock. Years ago, you'd have bashed his profile like you are the current Sox mid-range prospects.

 

We read the scouting reports. Nobody is expecting the next Roger Clemens.

 

Here is the summary reports from sp:

 

Winckowski Potential multi-inning bridge relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starting pitcher. Could be very effective in a bulk role, in which his lack of strikeout potential with his fastball would not be as much of an issue. Slider misses more bats than his changeup at this point, but still does not at a very high level. Margin for error is slim, as he has to rely on commanding his pitches and generating weak contact. To stick as a starter long-term, needs to make strides with his command and improve his slider to the point where it can be counted on as a consistent bat-missing pitch at the major league level. Can effectively tunnel his fastball, sinker, vertical slider and changeup, with all moving in similar ways, but could stand to mix in more of his cutter or a horizontal slider to give hitters a different look. Very competitive. Really thinks about pitching and is always trying to refine his craft.

 

Bello Potential back-end starter. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. If he can not stick as a starter, could develop into a high-leverage reliever. Stuff looks like that of a starter, but combination of thin stature and delivery could indicate a future in the bullpen. Has done a much better job repeating delivery and holding velocity deeper into starts in looks in 2022. At his best, will flash three at least above-average pitches, and on the right day, all will look like potential plus pitches. Fastball and changeup are his best pitches right now and could profile in a late-inning bullpen role if slider and command do not continue to develop. Not imposing physically, but still has projection and has the type of athleticism you look for. Has continued to improve year after year, and now is one of the top pitching prospects in the system.

 

Walter Potential major league swingman. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Will show a starter's arsenal with three average-or-better pitches and the ability to turn over a lineup, but does not have a typical starter's delivery. Command and control need refinement, as does consistency with secondary pitches. Can project as a starter or reliever depending on the day you see him. Has some traits that would push him to each potential outcome, but has the makings of a major league-caliber arm either way. If pushed to the bullpen, combination of stuff and handedness gives him a decent floor. Breakout prospect for whom scouts are still getting a feel.

 

Mata Projects as a back-end starter, but delivery and command profile could ultimately push him to the bullpen, where his stuff could play in a late-inning relief role. Ceiling of a mid-rotation starter. Has a much better chance to start now after taking to his new slider and cleaning up his delivery. Changeup still needs refinement, but has the potential for a true four-pitch mix with two plus offerings. Has shown the ability to miss bats with all four pitches at various points in his career. After developing physically, harnessing command of his arsenal will be key for his development. Injuries are becoming a concern, particularly after 2021 UCL injury. Will need to continue to watch conditioning as he physically matures. Still is very young and is a very intriguing arm who still has a lot of pitching development left. Tommy John Surgery in April 2021 clouds future starter profile.

 

Murphy Potential multi-inning relief arm. Ceiling of a back-end starter. Dominance against lefties gives him a chance to pitch at the major league level. Chances of starting will depend on improving his control and showing he can consistently get right-handed hitters out. Posted extreme splits in 2021, dominating left-handed hitters (.401 OPS, 0 HR) but getting hit very hard by right-handers (.914 OPS, 21 HR). Misses a lot of bats, but pitch counts may prevent him from going deep into games.

 

Seabold Potential number 5 starter. Ceiling of a solid 3-to-4 starter. Lacks a plus pitch right now, but will show three at least-average offerings. Strong pitchability and advanced command and control profile allow his arsenal to play up. At his best, can generate whiffs with three pitches. Not the highest ceiling, but command/control and feel/pitchability, combined with proximity to MLB, give him a high floor. Needs velocity and feel for changeup to return to reach his ceiling. With diminished velocity projects more as a spot-starter or low-end number five type.

 

Gonzalez Great arm with a wide range of potential outcomes. Ceiling of a solid mid-rotation starter, but size and delivery could push him to the bullpen potentially. Great arm strength with a lot of development remaining. Fastball and changeup show the most potential right now. Breaking balls and command and control need work. Still learning how to pitch, but is not as raw as some comparable arms age-wise in the system.

 

 

 

 

My Complaint is not with the Player in Winkowski. My complaint is the return on the TRADE that brought Winkowski and Others to Boston. When you trade a Major League Regular in Benintendi you better get more than a Projected back end of the rotation starter or a potential middle reliever.

Bloom is a bust and so isn't this Pitcher

[notin]

My Complaint is not with the Player in Winkowski. My complaint is the return on the TRADE that brought Winkowski and Others to Boston. When you trade a Major League Regular in Benintendi you better get more than a Projected back end of the rotation starter or a potential middle reliever.

Bloom is a bust and so isn't this Pitcher

 

 

Says the man who sings the praises of the GM that left Whitlock unprotected…

[MADSTORK]

Says the man who sings the praises of the GM that left Whitlock unprotected…

 

You just answered your own ? Whitlock unprotected

 

A Starting ML Regular in LF and a Champion, Arb eligible for 6 to 7 million in 21, currently with an 800 ops traded for Garbage Prospects! There is a big difference my friend

 

Thats Okay, Bloom the bust needs supporters like u to keep his job..

[MADSTORK]

I wouldn't call it that, but we certainly don't have anyone near a can't miss #2-3 starter, even.

 

It's a more promising outlook than we've had in years, but that's more of a reflection on just how sad it looked before now. I happen to think we will likely get a decent 4 & 5 starter out of this group and maybe one can be a solid #3, someday.

 

We have some promising RP'ers, if that's any consolation. German looks like the real deal. Some of these starters might make fine RP'ers.

 

 

Promising? Where is the Promise? Minor League Developmental system needs an overhaul, WHY isn't there more discussion about that. Currently Hauck (homegrown) is the only Pitcher with any promise and they don't know how to use him?

 

I said it before Blooms first order of business should have been Re-vamping the Minor League System and rid himself of Crockett Abraham and a few other swinging d!cks who collect a check

Edited June 4, 2022 by MADSTORK

[MADSTORK]

Betts OPS .1000 Projected 40 HR's Clint Eastwood on this Forum said it best "Once in a Generation Talent"

 

Verdugo .633

Downs Bust

Wong Bust

 

Grateral - Who looked at the Medicals for Bloom, Mickey Mouse?

Maeda - Minus Betts, Minnesota got the best player in the Deal and that ain't saying much

 

It's hard to believe 10 years 350 wouldn't have gotten it done Contract ends age 36, Priceless

 

Mentioning Price, You could have easily dealt a Top prospect with the player to rid just as much contract cash

 

AB Betts Renfro Kiki 2B Wow imagine the possibilities?

[moonslav59]

jPromising? Where is the Promise? Minor League Developmental system needs an overhaul, WHY isn't there more discussion about that. Currently Hauck (homegrown) is the only Pitcher with any promise and they don't know how to use him?

 

I said it before Blooms first order of business should have been Re-vamping the Minor League System and rid himself of Crockett Abraham and a few other swinging d!cks who collect a check

 

Whitlock has no promise?

[moonslav59]

Betts OPS .1000 Projected 40 HR's Clint Eastwood on this Forum said it best "Once in a Generation Talent"

 

Verdugo .633

Downs Bust

Wong Bust

 

Grateral - Who looked at the Medicals for Bloom, Mickey Mouse?

Maeda - Minus Betts, Minnesota got the best player in the Deal and that ain't saying much

 

It's hard to believe 10 years 350 wouldn't have gotten it done Contract ends age 36, Priceless

 

Mentioning Price, You could have easily dealt a Top prospect with the player to rid just as much contract cash

 

AB Betts Renfro Kiki 2B Wow imagine the possibilities?

 

Funny, you post only Verdugo’s 2022 number but not Maeda’s.

[Bellhorn04]

Funny, you post only Verdugo’s 2022 number but not Maeda’s.

 

STORK is a classic mix 'n' matcher with the numbers LOL

[moonslav59]

STORK is a classic mix 'n' matcher with the numbers LOL

 

Maeda's WHIP went from leading the league in '20 at 0.750 to 1.298 in 2021. .

 

He was 6-5 4.66, last year and hasn't thrown a pitch, this year

 

Verdugo has a .764 OPS with the Sox (2020-2022) He's got 2.6 yrs of control remaining.

[dgalehouse]

Not for nothing , the Moneyball genius ( who has never won a championship ) has put together a heckuva lineup out in Oakland this year.