2022 Sox Injury List

[moonslav59]

I don’t get why anyone wants him traded or DFAd. He’s a utility infielder, a bench player. If your biggest weakness the guys on the bench, something is going right…

 

Well, while he was on the IL, Duran and Refsnyder did pretty well.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, while he was on the IL, Duran and Refsnyder did pretty well.

 

Refsnyder is really making the most of his chances.

[moonslav59]

Could he be a late bloomer, a Chaim Bloomer or a flash?

[Nick]

Arroyo has earned another 0-10 outing.

[Maxbialystock]

Arroyo looked very good last year, too.

 

WAR +1.5 in 57 games. Agree.

[Kimmi]

The bottom line on Arroyo's game is, thank God the guys who run the team have more patience than the fans.

 

100%

 

There are plenty of examples of players who have succeeded given the chance and plenty of examples of players who never were able to figure it out. The point is that you cannot give up on them after such a short amount of time.

[Kimmi]

Well, while he was on the IL, Duran and Refsnyder did pretty well.

 

They have done pretty well. But just like making rash decisions on a player who is not playing well, it would be unwise to make rash decisions based on players who are playing well in a small sample. I like what Duran and Refsnyder have done so far, but I wouldn't DFA or trade Arroyo based on that.

[moonslav59]

They have done pretty well. But just like making rash decisions on a player who is not playing well, it would be unwise to make rash decisions based on players who are playing well in a small sample. I like what Duran and Refsnyder have done so far, but I wouldn't DFA or trade Arroyo based on that.

 

I would not either. I just provided reasons supporting the opposing point.

 

I have always seemed to value Arroyo more than several posters, here, but we also have to consider giving up something to get something. Trade Arroyo? Maybe. DFA him? No..

[notin]

I would not either. I just provided reasons supporting the opposing point.

 

I have always seemed to value Arroyo more than several posters, here, but we also have to consider giving up something to get something. Trade Arroyo? Maybe. DFA him? No..

 

 

“Trade Arroyo” might not meet the requirement for giving up something. Utility infielders don’t always make the best trade chips. Why would any team give up a useful player for Arroyo when Jonathan Villar can be had for a waiver claim?

 

If the Sox are going to give up something, it’s most likely a minor leaguer. Not saying Bloom will operate this way, but it’s not exactly uncommon for GMs to deal from the pool they didn’t draft. I expect Groome, for example, to be on the table. (BTV likes a Groome/Josh Bell swap as realistic.)

 

Last year, Bloom dealt fairly mediocre prospects Aldo Ramirez and oft-injured Alex Scherff for Schwarber and Robles.

 

He did deal former first rounder-turned-UIF Chavis for Austin Davis, which is the best parallel for Arroyo. But Chavis still had pre-arb years left, more control, and was dealt to the same GM that drafted him. I don’t think Arroyo is going to fit into that same scenario, especially since he is leaving his minimum wage years this year and has done more to establish himself as an Injured List Regular than a starting major leaguer…

[moonslav59]

“Trade Arroyo” might not meet the requirement for giving up something. Utility infielders don’t always make the best trade chips. Why would any team give up a useful player for Arroyo when Jonathan Villar can be had for a waiver claim?

 

If the Sox are going to give up something, it’s most likely a minor leaguer. Not saying Bloom will operate this way, but it’s not exactly uncommon for GMs to deal from the pool they didn’t draft. I expect Groome, for example, to be on the table. (BTV likes a Groome/Josh Bell swap as realistic.)

 

Last year, Bloom dealt fairly mediocre prospects Aldo Ramirez and oft-injured Alex Scherff for Schwarber and Robles.

 

He did deal former first rounder-turned-UIF Chavis for Austin Davis, which is the best parallel for Arroyo. But Chavis still had pre-arb years left, more control, and was dealt to the same GM that drafted him. I don’t think Arroyo is going to fit into that same scenario, especially since he is leaving his minimum wage years this year and has done more to establish himself as an Injured List Regular than a starting major leaguer…

 

I have never said we'd get a good return for Arroyo.

 

Yes, I think teams would give a single A prospect with some ceiling for Arroyo over Villar.

 

To get something good, we may have to trade Kike or Duran or a good prospect or two.

[Larry Cook]

I have never said we'd get a good return for Arroyo.

 

Yes, I think teams would give a single A prospect with some ceiling for Arroyo over Villar.

 

To get something good, we may have to trade Kike or Duran or a good prospect or two.

 

I can not see Hang’em Chaim reading Duran, but hernandez could be included as part of a package deal.

[Maxbialystock]

Since this thread is actually about injuries, allow me to say that Kike Hernandez has had a setback, whereas Arroyo, Duran, Refsnyder, Cordero, Dalbec, et al are healthy. Except, of course, that Duran is a conscientious objector to vaccinations can't play in Toronto.

 

So for now it makes sense to see those healthy guys as keepers even though none of them is a sure thing.

[moonslav59]

Since this thread is actually about injuries, allow me to say that Kike Hernandez has had a setback, whereas Arroyo, Duran, Refsnyder, Cordero, Dalbec, et al are healthy. Except, of course, that Duran is a conscientious objector to vaccinations can't play in Toronto.

 

So for now it makes sense to see those healthy guys as keepers even though none of them is a sure thing.

 

Yes, nothing changes unless someone gets hurt or until Kike returns.

[Larry Cook]

Yes, nothing changes unless someone gets hurt or until Kike returns.

 

If we stay on our current roll, maybe hernandez ends up on the 60 day dl.

[Kimmi]

I would not either. I just provided reasons supporting the opposing point.

 

I have always seemed to value Arroyo more than several posters, here, but we also have to consider giving up something to get something. Trade Arroyo? Maybe. DFA him? No..

 

Any player can and should be traded if the trade makes sense. At the moment, I don't see Bloom making any trades that will hurt this year's team, even for the benefit of the long term outlook, unless it's something he just can't refuse.

 

That said, it can be argued that trading Arroyo would not hurt this year's team. But depth always has some value. I'd hate to trade him and have Refsnyder and Duran turn into pumpkins.

[Bellhorn04]

Any player can and should be traded if the trade makes sense. At the moment, I don't see Bloom making any trades that will hurt this year's team, even for the benefit of the long term outlook, unless it's something he just can't refuse.

 

That said, it can be argued that trading Arroyo would not hurt this year's team. But depth always has some value. I'd hate to trade him and have Refsnyder and Duran turn into pumpkins.

 

Exactly. Trading Arroyo for a low-level prospect right now doesn't make much sense.

[moonslav59]

Exactly. Trading Arroyo for a low-level prospect right now doesn't make much sense.

 

My comment was made within the context of Kike returning and who we might demote or trade, and or if we trade for a 1Bman, who goes to AAA.

 

Now, it looks like Kike's return is farther away. I support the idea that you keep as many on the 40 as possible, so you demote those with options, but who is best for the team, right now?

 

Duran

Refsnyder

Cordero

Dalbec

Arroyo

 

One or two may need to be demoted, traded or DFA'd by the time Kike returns or the deadline.

[Larry Cook]

My comment was made within the context of Kike returning and who we might demote or trade, and or if we trade for a 1Bman, who goes to AAA.

 

Now, it looks like Kike's return is farther away. I support the idea that you keep as many on the 40 as possible, so you demote those with options, but who is best for the team, right now?

 

Duran

Refsnyder

Cordero

Dalbec

Arroyo

 

One or two may need to be demoted, traded or DFA'd by the time Kike returns or the deadline.

 

Besides upgrading the bullpen, maybe Hang’em Chaim can trade for a stud outfielder, especially one with a little power.

[moonslav59]

Besides upgrading the bullpen, maybe Hang’em Chaim can trade for a stud outfielder, especially one with a little power.

 

My guess is we trade for 3 pieces:

 

RP

 

RP

 

CF/RF/1B

 

Kinda like last year, but Schwarber was LF/1B.

[Larry Cook]

My guess is we trade for 3 pieces:

 

RP

 

RP

 

CF/RF/1B

 

Kinda like last year, but Schwarber was LF/1B.

 

Makes a lot of sense. I think the 2 relief pitchers need to be right handed. We have three lefties that are serviceable.

[moonslav59]

Makes a lot of sense. I think the 2 relief pitchers need to be right handed. We have three lefties that are serviceable.

 

One must be RH’d and should be the better of two, or 2 righties makes the most sense. If we get someone who can play a decent RF and1B, that might be a great solution to 2 areas that are suspect, to say the least.

[mvp 78]

Plawecki to COVID IL

 

This makes room for Sale on 40 man.

[jacksonianmarch]

FYI, this new variant and the one coming from India will all sweep the nation. We will all get it. Prior immunity from Omicron won't cover it and shots right now are inadequate to prevent. If this BA.5 is in the sox clubhouse right now, it will spread like wildfire. Not a bad time to have a covid outbreak, though. Right before the ASB

[mvp 78]

FYI, this new variant and the one coming from India will all sweep the nation. We will all get it. Prior immunity from Omicron won't cover it and shots right now are inadequate to prevent. If this BA.5 is in the sox clubhouse right now, it will spread like wildfire. Not a bad time to have a covid outbreak, though. Right before the ASB

 

I've had a good two year run of not getting it. I don't know how long I'll go before it'll come home. If it does, it'll most likely come home from the kids' school. I just hope it's a very inopportune time for work and that I just don't happen to have my laptop on me. Oops.

[jacksonianmarch]

I've had a good two year run of not getting it. I don't know how long I'll go before it'll come home. If it does, it'll most likely come home from the kids' school. I just hope it's a very inopportune time for work and that I just don't happen to have my laptop on me. Oops.

 

I got Omicron. Wasn't bad. I am not really seeing a lot of young people critically ill with Omicron or BA.5 like I did with Alpha and Delta. But this variant is crushing the elderly. The one in India is almost as infectious as measles and really won't be protected by vaccine or prior infection. So Paxlovid to the rescue! Either way, if it is in the clubhouse, and I know guys go on the covid IL without having confirmed covid, but if it is in the clubhouse, it will hit most of the players

[mvp 78]

Plawecki to COVID IL

 

This makes room for Sale on 40 man.

 

@ChrisCotillo

Kevin Plawecki is back with the team.

[oldtimer]

Any information about Story's hand?

[illinoisredsox]

Any information about Story's hand?

 

Supposedly, nothing is broken. I’m guessing it’s pretty sore.

[mvp 78]

Kiké has had a set back. No timetable for return.

[illinoisredsox]

FYI, this new variant and the one coming from India will all sweep the nation. We will all get it. Prior immunity from Omicron won't cover it and shots right now are inadequate to prevent. If this BA.5 is in the sox clubhouse right now, it will spread like wildfire. Not a bad time to have a covid outbreak, though. Right before the ASB

 

So what you are saying is the Royals will be fielding a AAA-AA team in Toronto this weekend against all current science.