2022 Sox Injury List

[Kimmi]

Whitlock, Big Nate and Kike, soon.

 

Sale in July.

 

Paxton in August.

 

Who needs a trade deadline?

 

It doesn't sound like Big Nate is going to be ready any time soon, unfortunately.

 

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I'm really excited about the return of Sale.

[Maxbialystock]

What dictionary outside of yours does it say utility man is a shmuck? Yes Kike played lots of games with the Dodgers, but never had a full time position. Like I said anything more than a 240 Ave is a plus, so go to WAR all you want, but I won’t agree with you that Kike is any kind of shmuck.

 

Utility player by definition is a part-timer, a sub, and not a regular. Kike playing 140, 145, and 130 games for the Dodgers, 2017-2019, was not a part-timer. I do agree utility players are not shmucks.

 

JD Drew played 5 seasons for the Sox with these games each season: 140, 109, 137, 139, and 81. Was he also a utility player? How about Jacoby Ellsbury with the Yankees?

[moonslav59]

Utility player by definition is a part-timer, a sub, and not a regular. Kike playing 140, 145, and 130 games for the Dodgers, 2017-2019, was not a part-timer. I do agree utility players are not shmucks.

 

JD Drew played 5 seasons for the Sox with these games each season: 140, 109, 137, 139, and 81. Was he also a utility player? How about Jacoby Ellsbury with the Yankees?

 

There is a difference not playing 140+ games due to injury vs manager's choice, but yes, Kike was not a part-timer or sub from 2017-2019.

 

I think the word "utility" can be viewed differently by people, and often times they are players who can play multiple positions well enough to not embarrass themselves, or they can be short-term emergency fill-ins, in case of injury or late inning PG/defensive replacement situation. I think that is a common view, but Kike does not really fit that notion. He's an excellent CF'er (and OF'er), and a clear plus at 2B and SS. He could easily fill a FT role in many positions, but because he's so good, defensively at many positions, managers use him at many positions. That should never be viewed as a negative, and Red will tell you he never intended saying he was a "utility man for the Dodgers" as anything negative, but I think otherwise. (Just my opinion.)

 

Talking about Kike's offense is certainly up for serious debate, but I would just like to see people use their chosen criteria consistently, and not use BA with one guy, RBI with another, but then RBI's ignored for another guy, and high K rates being the tell-all stat of choice. Or, they pull out the old, "Well, many of his RBIs came in just one week," over and over, despite me showing a certain player is still among the top 2-3 in rbis, when you take away everyone's RBI best week. That falls on deaf ear, and I think it's because posters have preconceived feelings about certain players, and they find stats or excuses to justify their belief. Don't get me wrong, I do it, too. Most posters do to some degree, but trying to keep the rubric or criteria consistent should be everybody's goal, IMO.

 

[mvp 78]

@KatieMo61

Josh Taylor and Christian Arroyo are here in Worcester. Taylor will start tonight and likely throw an inning.

[moonslav59]

@KatieMo61

Josh Taylor and Christian Arroyo are here in Worcester. Taylor will start tonight and likely throw an inning.

 

Great!

 

I was writing Taylor off for the season!

[Maxbialystock]

Great!

 

I was writing Taylor off for the season!

 

Amazing. Taylor can help. I'm less sanguine about Arroyo.

[moonslav59]

Amazing. Taylor can help. I'm less sanguine about Arroyo.

 

I had added at the end of my last post. Arroyo? Meh.

 

But, I erased it.

[Bellhorn04]

Amazing. Taylor can help. I'm less sanguine about Arroyo.

 

"Less sanguine" - nicely put.

[Old Red]

Utility player by definition is a part-timer, a sub, and not a regular. Kike playing 140, 145, and 130 games for the Dodgers, 2017-2019, was not a part-timer. I do agree utility players are not shmucks.

 

JD Drew played 5 seasons for the Sox with these games each season: 140, 109, 137, 139, and 81. Was he also a utility player? How about Jacoby Ellsbury with the Yankees?

 

Now when I called Kike a utility player, which some on here took it to an extreme, and thought it was something bad, and even mentioning the word shmuck is just way over the top, and only on here would you see such things. I call Kike a utility player for all the different positions he plays, and nothing to do with how many games he played. He played I believe all defensive positions for the Dodgers except catcher, so even if Kike had played all 162 games I would still call him a utility player if he was a 5th IF/ 4TH OF, and played all the different positions. One year Kike played 140 games, but had less than 300 AB I didn’t know JD Drew, and Ellsbury played different positions like Kike does so I don’t see how comparing them made much sense to me. Some just like to see something bad even if there isn’t anything bad to see, and this was a classic example. I saw lots of Kike trade talk on a game thread, but that is something I wouldn’t do unless things fall apart from where the team is now. Duran hasn’t established enough for me yet in his small sample size to justify trading Kike, who may turn out useful yet again.

[notin]

Now when I called Kike a utility player, which some on here took it to an extreme, and thought it was something bad, and even mentioning the word shmuck is just way over the top, and only on here would you see such things. I call Kike a utility player for all the different positions he plays, and nothing to do with how many games he played. He played I believe all defensive positions for the Dodgers except catcher, so even if Kike had played all 162 games I would still call him a utility player if he was a 5th IF/ 4TH OF, and played all the different positions. One year Kike played 140 games, but had less than 300 AB I didn’t know JD Drew, and Ellsbury played different positions like Kike does so I don’t see how comparing them made much sense to me. Some just like to see something bad even if there isn’t anything bad to see, and this was a classic example. I saw lots of Kike trade talk on a game thread, but that is something I wouldn’t do unless things fall apart from where the team is now. Duran hasn’t established enough for me yet in his small sample size to justify trading Kike, who may turn out useful yet again.

 

 

Oh so now you’re all about clarifications.

 

Got it

[Old Red]

Oh so now you’re all about clarifications.

 

Got it

 

Don’t you have to be on here?

[notin]

Don’t you have to be on here?

 

Not sure what you’re talking about, but I clearly am. That should soothe your worries…

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure what you’re talking about, but I clearly am. That should soothe your worries…

 

I believe his question was "don't you have to be all about clarifications here?"

[Old Red]

I believe his question was "don't you have to be all about clarifications here?"

 

Especially when some like to run off with things when they don’t even know what they are running with.

[moonslav59]

Now when I called Kike a utility player, which some on here took it to an extreme, and thought it was something bad, and even mentioning the word shmuck is just way over the top, and only on here would you see such things. I call Kike a utility player for all the different positions he plays, and nothing to do with how many games he played. He played I believe all defensive positions for the Dodgers except catcher, so even if Kike had played all 162 games I would still call him a utility player if he was a 5th IF/ 4TH OF, and played all the different positions. One year Kike played 140 games, but had less than 300 AB I didn’t know JD Drew, and Ellsbury played different positions like Kike does so I don’t see how comparing them made much sense to me. Some just like to see something bad even if there isn’t anything bad to see, and this was a classic example. I saw lots of Kike trade talk on a game thread, but that is something I wouldn’t do unless things fall apart from where the team is now. Duran hasn’t established enough for me yet in his small sample size to justify trading Kike, who may turn out useful yet again.

 

You accuse us of reading into what you say what is not there- something you do all the time, I might add.

 

If you don't see any negativity to this statement, then we both have very different views on the English language:

 

Playoff hero he was, and if he gets hot like that again that’s great, but I just see him for what he has been, which was a utility player 4th OF/ 5th IF with the Dodgers, which is what I believe brought to Boston to be, but turned into a excellent full time CF.

 

When you use the word "but" followed by I "just" see him for what he has been, which is a utility player, I'm sorry, but that is not taken as a compliment or even a neutral statement. You also added the "4th OF/5th IF" followed by he "he turned into an excellent full time CF", like he wasn't an excellent CF, before 2021.

 

I'm fine with you not agreeing he had a fantastic defensive year in CF for the Sox in 2021 or disagreeing with me thinking it was the best defensive CF season, I've seen in a long time by a Sox CF'er, with props given the JBJ, as I've always given him.

 

Here is what doesn't ring true, to me: I find it interesting you called Kike an excellent FT CF for the Sox, yet he only started 81 games in CF for us. He started 49 games at 2B & SS- kinda like a utility man, needed more in CF than anywhere else, in 2021.

 

Newflash, the guy has been an excellent defensive CF for years, and could have been a FT one for years, too. He happens to be a plus 2B man and SS, too, and likely could have been an excellent FT middle infielder had some manager chose to use him that way.

 

Saying, "If he gets hot again that would be great, but I see him for what he has been..." has meaning, unintended or not. Don't get upset when we take your words to have commonly understood meanings.

 

Thanks for clarifying, though. I know how much you have disdain for being asked to do that.

[notin]

I believe his question was "don't you have to be all about clarifications here?"

 

Yes. Thank you for that clarification…

[Bellhorn04]

Yes. Thank you for that clarification…

 

Internet clarification is exhausting.

[Old Red]

You accuse us of reading into what you say what is not there- something you do all the time, I might add.

 

If you don't see any negativity to this statement, then we both have very different views on the English language:

 

Playoff hero he was, and if he gets hot like that again that’s great, but I just see him for what he has been, which was a utility player 4th OF/ 5th IF with the Dodgers, which is what I believe brought to Boston to be, but turned into a excellent full time CF.

 

When you use the word "but" followed by I "just" see him for what he has been, which is a utility player, I'm sorry, but that is not taken as a compliment or even a neutral statement. You also added the "4th OF/5th IF" followed by he "he turned into an excellent full time CF", like he wasn't an excellent CF, before 2021.

 

I'm fine with you not agreeing he had a fantastic defensive year in CF for the Sox in 2021 or disagreeing with me thinking it was the best defensive CF season, I've seen in a long time by a Sox CF'er, with props given the JBJ, as I've always given him.

 

Here is what doesn't ring true, to me: I find it interesting you called Kike an excellent FT CF for the Sox, yet he only started 81 games in CF for us. He started 49 games at 2B & SS- kinda like a utility man, needed more in CF than anywhere else, in 2021.

 

Newflash, the guy has been an excellent defensive CF for years, and could have been a FT one for years, too. He happens to be a plus 2B man and SS, too, and likely could have been an excellent FT middle infielder had some manager chose to use him that way.

 

Saying, "If he gets hot again that would be great, but I see him for what he has been..." has meaning, unintended or not. Don't get upset when we take your words to have commonly understood meanings.

 

Thanks for clarifying, though. I know how much you have disdain for being asked to do that.

 

Going off on a tangent over the word but. Mr Wrong Mr. Wrong they’re playing your song. Aren’t you the one who diagnosed Bogey before the season started saying he would be playing under much mental strain playing alongside Story, because Bogey knows Story is a better SS than he is. How has that diagnosis panned out? Not only has Bogey played a better SS this year I would say hitting in the 330’s is a pretty good year outside of having more RBI. I don’t have to compliment Kike much to your chagrin, but I’m not downing him either like you coming up with your Shmuck comments. Mr. Wrong Mr. Wrong they’re playing your song. Trying to analyze every word like but, or if is just over the top, and petty at the least.

[notin]

Internet clarification is exhausting.

 

Well, occasionally it gives me a brief adrenaline rush…

[moonslav59]

Going off on a tangent over the word but. Mr Wrong Mr. Wrong they’re playing your song. Aren’t you the one who diagnosed Bogey before the season started saying he would be playing under much mental strain playing alongside Story, because Bogey knows Story is a better SS than he is. How has that diagnosis panned out? Not only has Bogey played a better SS this year I would say hitting in the 330’s is a pretty good year outside of having more RBI. I don’t have to compliment Kike much to your chagrin, but I’m not downing him either like you coming up with your Shmuck comments. Mr. Wrong Mr. Wrong they’re playing your song. Trying to analyze every word like but, or if is just over the top, and petty at the least.

 

The word "But" has meaning. The fact that it is just one word doesn't change the fact that your statement had clear meaning.

 

As usual, instead of addressing what you said or meant, you repeat old mistakes I made and admitted making over and over.

 

BTW, I did not say Shmuck, so should I bring that up everytime for months and months?

 

I'm Mr. Disdain not Mr. Shmuck.

 

I don't expect an apology. I don't expect an actual answer to my point.

 

I don't expect just one link saying the Betts trade was a failure, as you claimed. Not even a lame response.

 

[moonslav59]

I heard Kike's rehab was set back due to some discomfort when trying to hit.

 

I'm glad our other OF'ers have been doing well, by and large, but I'm not sure how long that can continue.

 

Loving Duran's hot streak, and he has not looked awful on defense in CF, either, so far.

[moonslav59]

Sale gets one more start at FCL, and then it's expected he gets a start or two at AA or AAA, most likely Portland on June 30th.

 

I wish I was in Maine by then, but it looks like a later arrival, this year for the wife and me. We plan to drive with our two pups and make several scenic stops along the way, as well as a white water rafting adventure in West Virginia.

[Old Red]

The word "But" has meaning. The fact that it is just one word doesn't change the fact that your statement had clear meaning.

 

As usual, instead of addressing what you said or meant, you repeat old mistakes I made and admitted making over and over.

 

BTW, I did not say Shmuck, so should I bring that up everytime for months and months?

 

I'm Mr. Disdain not Mr. Shmuck.

 

I don't expect an apology. I don't expect an actual answer to my point.

 

I don't expect just one link saying the Betts trade was a failure, as you claimed. Not even a lame response.

 

 

The word wrong has meaning too, and that describes you to a T. Mr Wrong Mr Wrong they’re playing your song. How did the Bogey diagnosis come about, and how could you be so wrong? Hang up on Betts, and Kike all you want, but round, and round the turntable goes, and Mr Wrong Mr Wrong they keep playing your song, but I’m turning it off, so over, and out.

[a700hitter]

Well, occasionally it gives me a brief adrenaline rush…

But not quite like crashing your motorcycle without a helmet.

[mvp 78]

But not quite like crashing your motorcycle without a helmet.

 

I'm pretty sure some posters on here have done that a few times in their life, or at least post like it.

[moonslav59]

The word wrong has meaning too, and that describes you to a T. Mr Wrong Mr Wrong they’re playing your song. How did the Bogey diagnosis come about, and how could you be so wrong? Hang up on Betts, and Kike all you want, but round, and round the turntable goes, and Mr Wrong Mr Wrong they keep playing your song, but I’m turning it off, so over, and out.

 

Yes, you being "wrong" has meaning.

 

The word "but" is a very important word in the English language that often has great influence on the meaning of a statement.

 

Again you bring up something I said, instead of answering to the point b eing discussed, but that's your deflection mechanism. I get it.

 

How's my "Bogey diagnosis" coming about? You seem obsessed with what I said, but it was never a diagnosis. It was a statement made about how I thought Bogey might be feeling about the signing of a superior defensive SS. I admitted I was basing my opinion on faulty information, but if me being wrong brings you so much joy, continue having at it.

 

I'm thrilled to watch Story flashing his brilliant D at 2B. I'm sure Bogey is happy having him by his side on D. I don't think Story's ability to knock in way more runs than Bogey is bothering Bogey, nor is his superior D.

 

Originally, I thought the Story signing was a sign that Bogey was all but gone by 2023. With the information that Story agreed to be the FT 2Bman coming after my statement, the situation seems different. I'm not ashamed to change my opinion based on new information to me. I'm happy to correct the rec ord-something you refuse to do on your statement that everyone gave Bloom a failing grade on the Betts trade.

 

Cue: change of subject or "tuning out."

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, you being "wrong" has meaning.

 

The word "but" is a very important word in the English language that often has great influence on the meaning of a statement.

 

Again you bring up something I said, instead of answering to the point b eing discussed, but that's your deflection mechanism. I get it.

 

How's my "Bogey diagnosis" coming about? You seem obsessed with what I said, but it was never a diagnosis. It was a statement made about how I thought Bogey might be feeling about the signing of a superior defensive SS. I admitted I was basing my opinion on faulty information, but if me being wrong brings you so much joy, continue having at it.

 

I'm thrilled to watch Story flashing his brilliant D at 2B. I'm sure Bogey is happy having him by his side on D. I don't think Story's ability to knock in way more runs than Bogey is bothering Bogey, nor is his superior D.

 

Originally, I thought the Story signing was a sign that Bogey was all but gone by 2023. With the information that Story agreed to be the FT 2Bman coming after my statement, the situation seems different. I'm not ashamed to change my opinion based on new information to me. I'm happy to correct the rec ord-something you refuse to do on your statement that everyone gave Bloom a failing grade on the Betts trade.

 

Cue: change of subject or "tuning out."

 

You are indefatigable.

[a700hitter]

You are indefatigable.

That’s one description.

[moonslav59]

You are indefatigable.

 

Lastwordism runs in my family.

 

 

[Maxbialystock]

Sale gets one more start at FCL, and then it's expected he gets a start or two at AA or AAA, most likely Portland on June 30th.

 

I wish I was in Maine by then, but it looks like a later arrival, this year for the wife and me. We plan to drive with our two pups and make several scenic stops along the way, as well as a white water rafting adventure in West Virginia.

 

Have a great time in Maine!! Be careful of that white water rafting.

 

I'm the one who said Shmuck. My sincere advice is to stop responding to Old Red for awhile. He's wrong, you're right, but arguing with him is like wrestling with a pig: he enjoys, it and you get muddy.