2022 Bullpen Thread

[Maxbialystock]

Bello is pitching Monday in Tampa. Try to keep up with what’s going on.Also Bloom says no BP for Bello.

 

Meh. Wacha was supposed to start tonight and was scratched, so it's Seabold. And, as you say, Bello is likely to start Monday for the simple reason that Sale, Eovaldi, Whitlock, Wacha (newly on the IL), and Hill are on the DL.

 

On top of that, the Sox are in the middle of 17 games without a break during which they play the Rays and Yankees 7 times each.

 

Sale, who did not have a good game last night at the AAA level--thus his rampage in the locker room--will nevertheless start Tuesday in Tampa because the Sox are desperate for starters.

 

Winckowski is far and away the best of the rookie starters, and last night the Yankees blasted him for 6 freaking runs.

 

Meanwhile the Sox lineup continues its lethargy except for the brilliance of Devers. The defense also continues to suck (despite Story's brilliance and Bogey's consistency).

 

The much maligned bullpen has the Sox most recent win by pitching all 9 innings. In the game before that, they pitched 7 innings, giving up 1 run, in another win.

 

In the now 3 straight losses to the Rays and Yankees, the starters, including Pivetta have all stunk.

 

So, thank you for expertise about Bello starting on Monday, but, frankly, I don't think it matters much. If Plawecki starts, now that would be news.

[JDavis76]

Meh. Wacha was supposed to start tonight and was scratched, so it's Seabold. And, as you say, Bello is likely to start Monday for the simple reason that Sale, Eovaldi, Whitlock, Wacha (newly on the IL), and Hill are on the DL.

 

On top of that, the Sox are in the middle of 17 games without a break during which they play the Rays and Yankees 7 times each.

 

Sale, who did not have a good game last night at the AAA level--thus his rampage in the locker room--will nevertheless start Tuesday in Tampa because the Sox are desperate for starters.

 

Winckowski is far and away the best of the rookie starters, and last night the Yankees blasted him for 6 freaking runs.

 

Meanwhile the Sox lineup continues its lethargy except for the brilliance of Devers. The defense also continues to suck (despite Story's brilliance and Bogey's consistency).

 

The much maligned bullpen has the Sox most recent win by pitching all 9 innings. In the game before that, they pitched 7 innings, giving up 1 run, in another win.

 

In the now 3 straight losses to the Rays and Yankees, the starters, including Pivetta have all stunk.

 

So, thank you for expertise about Bello starting on Monday, but, frankly, I don't think it matters much. If Plawecki starts, now that would be news.

 

Rampage?!!

 

More like a tantrum.......

[Old Red]

My comment about Bello starting on Monday was just trying to keep Moon up to speed, so it was not any kind of expertise since it had already been reported yesterday, but if the Plow Man does get a start I’ll put out a news flash just for you Max.

[Maxbialystock]

Rampage?!!

 

More like a tantrum.......

 

To me a tantrum usually means shouting and a rampage adds the dimension of hitting/throwing stuff. Either way, a bad scene.

 

He is nevertheless a complete professional on the field of play. He rarely shakes off a catcher because he wants to stay focused on technique and execution vs. tactics (the catcher's job). He fields his position well and with enthusiasm. He is extremely competitive in terms of wanting to contribute/win, which is compounded by knowing that the Sox rotation has been decimated by injuries.

 

But he is also in a difficult situation. His last good season was 2018, and even in that season he faded late. He returned last year after tommy john, and was not the old Chris Sale. The rib injury has caused him to miss another 1/2 season, and his upper 90's fastball is probably a thing of the past. And now control/command has become an issue he hasn't had to worry about in the past.

 

If he isn't frustrated, he isn't paying attention. Nevertheless, I look forward to his start on Tuesday.

[JDavis76]

To me a tantrum usually means shouting and a rampage adds the dimension of hitting/throwing stuff. Either way, a bad scene.

 

He is nevertheless a complete professional on the field of play. He rarely shakes off a catcher because he wants to stay focused on technique and execution vs. tactics (the catcher's job). He fields his position well and with enthusiasm. He is extremely competitive in terms of wanting to contribute/win, which is compounded by knowing that the Sox rotation has been decimated by injuries.

 

But he is also in a difficult situation. His last good season was 2018, and even in that season he faded late. He returned last year after tommy john, and was not the old Chris Sale. The rib injury has caused him to miss another 1/2 season, and his upper 90's fastball is probably a thing of the past. And now control/command has become an issue he hasn't had to worry about in the past.

 

If he isn't frustrated, he isn't paying attention. Nevertheless, I look forward to his start on Tuesday.

 

Tantrum

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

A tantrum, temper tantrum, meltdown, fit or hissy fit is an emotional outburst,[1][2][3] usually associated with those in emotional distress, that is typically characterized by stubbornness, crying, screaming, violence,[4] defiance,[5] angry ranting, a resistance to attempts at pacification, and, in some cases, hitting and other physically violent behavior.

 

If tantrums are shown by older people, they might often be signs of immaturity or a mental disability; and often autistic or ADHD meltdowns are incorrectly labelled tantrums. It can also occur in neurotypical people under extreme stress

[harmony]

Rampage?!!

 

More like a tantrum.......

[JDavis76]

 

Yup, he obviously hasn't matured much from his jersey cutting days......

[moonslav59]

Why does it seem like the pen does much better in games where the starter sucks?

[vegasbob]

Winckowski didn’t exactly dazzle in his debut either. And that was against Baltimore. But he has improved since.

 

I suppose like Winckowski, maybe Bello had trouble adjusting to the different baseballs…

 

Maybe Boston could afford a few MLB balls over in Worcester for the guys who may make the trip to Fenway to throw their bullpen sessions with, allowing a higher degree of readiness when the day comes. They could also hire thousands of extras to fill the stands on an off night and make noise to get them more ready.

[vegasbob]

Why does it seem like the pen does much better in games where the starter sucks?

 

Comparative analysis.

[moonslav59]

Comparative analysis.

 

I'm thinking there is less pressure when we are down 5-0, early.

[Kimmi]

I'm thinking there is less pressure when we are down 5-0, early.

 

When our offense doesn't hit like we expect it to hit, the pen ends up pitching a lot of high stress innings. There's a lot of pressure in trying to preserve a starting pitcher's good or great start. The relievers are likely trying to be too perfect.

 

Or perhaps we just don't notice or remember the pen giving up a few runs when we have a 5 run lead.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe Boston could afford a few MLB balls over in Worcester for the guys who may make the trip to Fenway to throw their bullpen sessions with, allowing a higher degree of readiness when the day comes.

 

Pretty good point, bob.

[Maxbialystock]

Pretty good point, bob.

 

I would go one step further and say it's idiotic if the Sox haven't already done that. And just maybe MLB is idiotic to keep changing the composition of the MLB official baseball.

[moonslav59]

I would go one step further and say it's idiotic if the Sox haven't already done that. And just maybe MLB is idiotic to keep changing the composition of the MLB official baseball.

 

I can’t imagine after Wink’s experience, them not doing anything for Seabold.

[vegasbob]

It may be good or very bad for Bello and Seabold to get their first MLB opportunities in this stretch of tough competition, supported by a unproductive lineup most nights, in front of Fenway crowd and nation with short fuses, especially when getting ripped early by the Yankees. Winckowski at least had a chance to get over the first start jitters against lesser competition. Brayan and Conor 9 who may be injured now) will have to learn from it and use it as motivation to sharpen thier skills.

 

Predictably and with some understanding, against the Yankees they did not look like they had a lot of confidence in their stuff and got short arms instead of challenging hitters. Still amazing how big the leap from AAA to MLB players/pitchers really is.

[moonslav59]

It may be good or very bad for Bello and Seabold to get their first MLB opportunities in this stretch of tough competition, supported by a unproductive lineup most nights, in front of Fenway crowd and nation with short fuses, especially when getting ripped early by the Yankees. Winckowski at least had a chance to get over the first start jitters against lesser competition. Brayan and Conor (who may be injured now) will have to learn from it and use it as motivation to sharpen their skills.

 

Predictably and with some understanding, against the Yankees they did not look like they had a lot of confidence in their stuff and got short arms instead of challenging hitters. Still amazing how big the leap from AAA to MLB players/pitchers really is.

 

I've not given up on any of these young arms, but yes, this was a christening by fire for Bello and Seabold to a lesser extent.

 

I'm hopeful we won't have to count on them for too much longer, particularly down this tough schedule stretch.

 

It seems like our injured players are all taking longer than expected to return.

 

I'm not predicting anything, but I think we get a win, tonight.

[notin]

Oakland’s Lou Trivino is an overlooked candidate. His 6.94 ERA is off-putting but his 2.89 FIP gives hope and his .485 BABIPA is absolutely unsustainable…

[Kimmi]

Oakland’s Lou Trivino is an overlooked candidate. His 6.94 ERA is off-putting but his 2.89 FIP gives hope and his .485 BABIPA is absolutely unsustainable…

 

His contract is very friendly also. I think this is the exact type of guy that Bloom is looking at.

[moonslav59]

His contract is very friendly also. I think this is the exact type of guy that Bloom is looking at.

 

I'd like to see us pry one of their young catching prospects, too, but I doubt the A's will do that.

 

Trade for Bell and then, BTV accepted this...

 

Dalbec, Gonzalez, Lugo & SEabold

for

Langeliers

Trivino

Piscotty (salary dump- RH'd OF)

 

Here's another deal...

 

Yorke, Jordan, Gonzalez & Lugo

for

Montas

Langeliers

Trivino

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by moonslav59

[Kimmi]

I'd like to see us pry one of their young catching prospects, too, but I doubt the A's will do that.

 

Trade for Bell and then, BTV accepted this...

 

Dalbec, Gonzalez, Lugo & SEabold

for

Langeliers

Trivino

Piscotty (salary dump- RH'd OF)

 

Here's another deal...

 

Yorke, Jordan, Gonzalez & Lugo

for

Montas

Langeliers

Trivino

 

 

With many teams still in the mix, it will likely be more difficult for buyers to find teams to trade with. And those that are willing to sell will likely have offers from multiple teams. I'm not sure which teams are looking for which players, but I don't see Bloom outbidding other teams in most cases. We will likely get under the radar type players that no one saw coming. Some may even call them bargain basement players.

[moonslav59]

With many teams still in the mix, it will likely be more difficult for buyers to find teams to trade with. And those that are willing to sell will likely have offers from multiple teams. I'm not sure which teams are looking for which players, but I don't see Bloom outbidding other teams in most cases. We will likely get under the radar type players that no one saw coming. Some may even call them bargain basement players.

 

I was surprised he got Schwarber for so cheap. I would not call him "under the radar," but it seemed a bargain.

[Kimmi]

I was surprised he got Schwarber for so cheap. I would not call him "under the radar," but it seemed a bargain.

 

Schwarber was on the IL at the time and the big "prize" during the deadline was Rizzo. Maybe he wasn't under the radar, but he also wasn't the player that Red Sox fans wanted to get.

[moonslav59]

Schwarber was on the IL at the time and the big "prize" during the deadline was Rizzo. Maybe he wasn't under the radar, but he also wasn't the player that Red Sox fans wanted to get.

 

No. It was a bit of a shocker, especially when Dalbec was on fire, and it looked like 1B was the only place to play him.

 

The Robles, Davis and Shaw deals were certainly under the radar. The Iggy deal, made later, was also one.

 

I'm expecting may be 2 under the radar deals, but I think B loom might make one bigger deal. The JD, Bogey, Nate window is closing.

 

We will have a roster crunch with Rule 5 and future FA signings, despite all the departing contracts, so he has a group of players he might know won't make the cut, next year, but still have trade value now. How much trade value do borderline 40 man roster Sox players have? Maybe not much, but maybe just enough.

 

Certainly, our borderline players are better, now, than the last few deadlines.

[notin]

I'd like to see us pry one of their young catching prospects, too, but I doubt the A's will do that.

 

Trade for Bell and then, BTV accepted this...

 

Dalbec, Gonzalez, Lugo & SEabold

for

Langeliers

Trivino

Piscotty (salary dump- RH'd OF)

 

Here's another deal...

 

Yorke, Jordan, Gonzalez & Lugo

for

Montas

Langeliers

Trivino

 

 

I think with the number of potential buyers thanks to the extra wild card, deals will be a lot simpler this deadline. If the Sox come away with just Trivino, that’s probably where it ends.

 

They could use Montas, but if he’s healthy he will be in very high demand. And Bloom didn’t look remarkably willing to engage in bidding wars last deadline…

[moonslav59]

I think with the number of potential buyers thanks to the extra wild card, deals will be a lot simpler this deadline. If the Sox come away with just Trivino, that’s probably where it ends.

 

They could use Montas, but if he’s healthy he will be in very high demand. And Bloom didn’t look remarkably willing to engage in bidding wars last deadline…

 

Our highest priority, will not be SP'er, unless most of our IL starters have setbacks.

[notin]

Our highest priority, will not be SP'er, unless most of our IL starters have setbacks.

 

But with no August 31 waiver deals anymore, being pro-active isn’t the worst idea. Otherwise the season could be derailed by a couple of sore triceps on August 3rd…

[Larry Cook]

Hang’em Chaim must get us two solid right handed relievers for the bullpen at the trade deadline.

[notin]

Hang’em Chaim must get us two solid right handed relievers for the bullpen at the trade deadline.

 

I’ll be happy with one. If things go right, we do have Whitlock and German to help back there, too. And now Ort is on the 40 man

[moonslav59]

But with no August 31 waiver deals anymore, being pro-active isn’t the worst idea. Otherwise the season could be derailed by a couple of sore triceps on August 3rd…

 

I don't think SP'er is going to be even a long shot priority.

 

Some of our prospects have looked pretty good and we have Nate, Sale, Wacha and Hill returning with Paxton in the wings.

 

I'm always for improving the rotation near the top, but I don't think Bloom sees it that way, and even I see higher need areas elsewhere.