Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[moonslav59]

Renfroe prior to 2 years ago had 26,26 amd 33HR seasons. People act like last year was the first time for him doing that. It was not a fluke

 

I've never heard anyone say it was a fluke. They said things like, "trading him while his stock was high," or "he will likely regress," but maybe I missed some posts.

 

His HRs were not that surprising. His .816 OPS was a career, but not by all that much. His career OPS before us was .776.

 

The one thing that kind of jumped out about 2021 was the 572 PAs. His previous high was 440. His ISO of .242 was actually his second lowest in 4 seasons.

 

The jump in rbi was a result of having more men on base and having way more PAs.

[Old Red]

I'd have much preferred Renfroe at $7M than JBJ at even the same money, despite his poor defense in an important position like RF in Fenway.

 

You do seem to be "sticking up for Renfroe," and I'm not sure why you are denying you are.

 

To me, this debate turned into the value of rbi's then HRs vs other stats, and not necessarily "metrics," like you claimed.

 

OBP is not a metric. Good defense is not a metric. BA and speed are not metrics.

 

Renfroe had power and a strong arm that wasn't always that accurate. His arm helped mitigate some of his defensive deficiencies, especially in Fenway, but he was not as big of an overall plus, as many felt he was. At $3M, yes. At $7M, not so much.

 

I was fine with trading Renfroe and saving $7M, but not for a higher priced guy like JBJ.

 

To me, the prospects better pan out, of this was a bad trade. Unlike you, I see value in prospects, before they make the bigs.

 

All stars were once prospects.

 

I’m not really sticking up for Renfroe, but I just didn’t think he was that bad an OF like you, or some of the others did, or that $7M was such a high price to pay for him that’s all.

[moonslav59]

I’m not really sticking up for Renfroe, but I just didn’t think he was that bad an OF like you, or some of the others did, or that $7M was such a high price to pay for him that’s all.

 

I've agreed $7M was fine. We could have played him in LF, too.

 

(We should have traded Verdugo, "while his stock was high!")

[Larry Cook]

I've agreed $7M was fine. We could have played him in LF, too.

 

(We should have traded Verdugo, "while his stock was high!")

 

Maybe with a real spring training, our hitters would not have stumbled out the gate.

[moonslav59]

Maybe with a real spring training, our hitters would not have stumbled out the gate.

 

Maybe. Who knows?

[vjcsmoke]

All of the excuses aside the Red Sox outfield is putrid. Looking at that depth chart is total CRINGE.

 

From left to right:

Alex Verdugo .214 BA .255 OBP .576 OPS 3 HRs

Enrique Hernandez .195 BA .266 OBP .565 OPS 1 HR

Jackie Bradley Jr .203 BA .266 OBP .588 OPS 1 HR

 

Are we literally looking at the worst outfield in the MLB right now? *sarcastic golf clap* This brought to you by the genius moves of Chaim Bloom.

Forget about mashing baseballs, this outfield couldn't even mash a potato.

 

Stats from MLB.com:

Alex Verdugo Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News | New York Yankees

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Alex Verdugo Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Enrique Hernández Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News | Los Angeles Dodgers

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Enrique Hernández Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Jackie Bradley Jr. Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News | MLB.com

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Jackie Bradley Jr. Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

 

PS Wouldn't Hunter Renfroe look good in Red Sox uniform right about now? Why can't we get players like that... oh right cos Chaim Bloom just trades them away!

Early Returns on Hunter Renfroe trade look GOOD for Brewers.

Edited May 24, 2022 by vjcsmoke

[mvp 78]

JBJ has a 809 OPS since 5/03. He's now at 81 wRC+ for the season.

[Bellhorn04]

JBJ is making the trade look better.

[Old Red]

JBJ is making the trade look better.

 

Glad to see JBJ doing well. I was against the trade, but he’s always been a favorite player of mine.

[mvp 78]

Glad to see JBJ doing well. I was against the trade, but he’s always been a favorite player of mine.

 

Definitely a player that is easy to route for. I really wish he could just put it together for one full season and have one great AS type year.

[moonslav59]

Definitely a player that is easy to route for. I really wish he could just put it together for one full season and have one great AS type year.

 

Me, too. It would be his second AS year, as he made it back in 2016 with his .835 season.

 

He had a 6 year stretch of .769 batting ('15-'20), but within those seasons were some horrific slumps surrounding some mighty hot streaks. He's rarely been anywhere near consistent with the bat, but his defense has carried him through those rough patches way more often than not. His last two seasons have seen a

 

His first two ML seasons saw a .548 OPS over 530 PAs. His last two seasons have seen a .536 OPS over 592 PAs. Together, those 4 seasons bring his career OPS down to just above .700 (.702).

 

Right now, our OF sits at #25 in OF fWAR at +0.3.

 

0.3 Cordero

0.2 JBJ

0.2 Kike

0.1 Refsnyder

0.0 J Davis

-0.1 Verdugo

-0.4 Arroyo

 

[notin]

JBJ is making the trade look better.

 

Renfroe still has a 1.1 to 0.6 edge in bWAR, but Bradley has been closing that gap slowly…

[mvp 78]

Renfroe still has a 1.1 to 0.6 edge in bWAR, but Bradley has been closing that gap slowly…

 

Renfroe went on a HR tear, but then cooled off and went on the IL. I'm not sold that JBJ will catch up with Renfroe. Would a 3 fWAR Renfroe have made a difference for the 2022 Red Sox? I don't think so. I think Bloom was smart to make the deal. I think they are happy with what they have seen with Binelas so far.

[moonslav59]

Renfroe went on a HR tear, but then cooled off and went on the IL. I'm not sold that JBJ will catch up with Renfroe. Would a 3 fWAR Renfroe have made a difference for the 2022 Red Sox? I don't think so. I think Bloom was smart to make the deal. I think they are happy with what they have seen with Binelas so far.

 

The money part of the deal was significant, too.

[mvp 78]

The money part of the deal was significant, too.

 

Bloom would have just wasted it on some reliever retread that we'd all want to DFA.

[moonslav59]

Bloom would have just wasted it on some reliever retread that we'd all want to DFA.

 

Maybe another Diekman.

 

Maybe 2 other Strahms.

[Larry Cook]

I’d take two strahms over brazier and Valdez.

[redsoxrules]

JBJ has a 809 OPS since 5/03. He's now at 81 wRC+ for the season.

 

That won't last long. It's funny how these JBJ post surface when he has a good stretch but disappear soon after.

[redsoxrules]

It's the same old story for Bradley. He does great for 1-2 months of the year and garbage the rest. It's not the type of player you want playing on a team.

[notin]

Much has been made of the acquisition of JBJ and the anchor he will be on the lineup.

 

My personal mathematical WAPM projection (which I understand has zero credibility on this site) is the following for JBJ

 

.248/.318/.395 with 13 HRs in 500 PAs. Can you live with that from the number 9 hitter??

 

JBJ is a bit of a projection enigma for me. His hitting profile sugge4sts a much, much higher BABIP than he seems to be capable of in real life. But I can live with this projection as being definitive.

 

So that should settle that...

 

.

 

 

Presently at .227/.284/.353. 13 HRs is going to take a hot streak, given he presently has one…

[Larry Cook]

It's the same old story for Bradley. He does great for 1-2 months of the year and garbage the rest. It's not the type of player you want playing on a team.

 

It all comes down to how he is pitched. As long as they are not pitching him inside, he will hit.

[redsoxrules]

JBJ has a 809 OPS since 5/03. He's now at 81 wRC+ for the season.

 

Update?

[redsoxrules]

JBJ is making the trade look better.

 

Yeah much better. His negative WAR is looking great!

[iortiz]

JBJ is a f***ing bum.

[Larry Cook]

He is in a bit of a slump! Good things come to those that wait until he gets back to Fenway!

[iortiz]

He is in a bit of a slump! Good things come to those that wait until he gets back to Fenway!

 

slump? he has hit Mendoza all season long lol

[Larry Cook]

slump? he has hit Mendoza all season long lol

 

Which, look at the bright side, is significantly better than last year.

[Behindenemylines]

A decision on JBJ will have to be made when Kiki comes back. It looks like Duran is here to stay, and Refsynder has been good. I have always said that you could live with him hitting .230 because of his D, but .200?

[redsoxrules]

A decision on JBJ will have to be made when Kiki comes back. It looks like Duran is here to stay, and Refsynder has been good. I have always said that you could live with him hitting .230 because of his D, but .200?

 

You can't even live with him hitting 230 because he doesn't hit for power anymore

[notin]

A decision on JBJ will have to be made when Kiki comes back. It looks like Duran is here to stay, and Refsynder has been good. I have always said that you could live with him hitting .230 because of his D, but .200?

 

 

It probably won’t be JBJ.

 

He was brought in to improve outfield defense, and he has done that. They probably didn’t expect him to hit all that much, and he’s done that too.

 

Duran should stay. But unlike Bradley and Hernandez, he has options. And demoting him allows the Sox to keep everyone.

 

My choice would be Kike to 1b, Duran in CF, Bradley/Refsnyder in RF and Dalbec (who also has options) to Worcester.

 

If the Sox release JBJ, and an OF gets hurt, who starts then?