Carlos Correa is the closest thing to a young Arod we may ever see without PED

[Bellhorn04]

Agree, and most I’ve heard today is he should be resigned if they could get a 5-6 yrs, and kept under $30M per, which might not happen since he is a Boris guy. He is the team leader, and he does want to stay, so that should be in the Sox favor.

 

Let's not forget he was also a Boris guy when he signed the relatively team-friendly deal he's playing under right now.

[Old Red]

Let's not forget he was also a Boris guy when he signed the relatively team-friendly deal he's playing under right now.

 

Understood, but I guess it depends how much more Bogey wants than the $20M he gets now, and for how long. I think 8yrs, or more is to long.

[moonslav59]

Let's not forget he was also a Boris guy when he signed the relatively team-friendly deal he's playing under right now.

 

I can't see Bogey settling for anything less than $25M x 6 or 7 years. He (BorA$$) might start at $30M x 9.

[Old Red]

I can't see Bogey settling for anything less than $25M x 6 or 7 years. He (BorA$$) might start at $30M x 9.

 

If signing Story will mean that Bogey doesn’t get resigned then I think that is a bad deal Bogey has been part of two championships is the team leader, and loves to play in Boston not to mention that he has also produced. I’m not saying keep him at SS, but if he walks out the door it will be a big loss.

[Bellhorn04]

Being realistic, it's pretty likely that this is Bogey's last season in Boston.

 

If they can keep Devers I think we should be happy with that.

[Old Red]

Being realistic, it's pretty likely that this is Bogey's last season in Boston.

 

If they can keep Devers I think we should be happy with that.

 

If I had to guess one way, or the other I would say you are right.

[moonslav59]

Being realistic, it's pretty likely that this is Bogey's last season in Boston.

 

If they can keep Devers I think we should be happy with that.

 

I'd love to keep them both, but if I had to choose just one to keep, I'd keep the younger Devers.

 

Now that we have another SS in the fold, injury permitting, it seems even more likely that Devers could be the higher priority.

 

Man, it sure sucks thinking Betts & Bogey leaving before peak prime.

 

I'm just not sure we can afford (after 2022)...

 

$29M x ? Devers

$27M x ? Bogey

$26M x 4 Sale

$23M x 5 Story

$??M x ? for Eovaldi or his replacment

[Bellhorn04]

I'd love to keep them both, but if I had to choose just one to keep, I'd keep the younger Devers.

 

Now that we have another SS in the fold, injury permitting, it seems even more likely that Devers could be the higher priority.

 

Man, it sure sucks thinking Betts & Bogey leaving before peak prime.

 

I'm just not sure we can afford (after 2022)...

 

$29M x ? Devers

$27M x ? Bogey

$26M x 4 Sale

$23M x 5 Story

$??M x ? for Eovaldi or his replacment

 

Can't have it all.

 

Of course Bogey could elect not to opt out, but we know that ain't happening if he stays healthy and produces this year.

[moonslav59]

Can't have it all.

 

Of course Bogey could elect not to opt out, but we know that ain't happening if he stays healthy and produces this year.

 

Even if he misses part or all of the season, he'll opt out or extend.

[mvp 78]

It’s going to keep him waylaid for over a year????!

 

For his whole career. He is going to struggle to eat breakfast cereal with his right hand by the time he's 40.

[mvp 78]

BogErts does not have a ton of range, but he is very reliable on the balls he can get to. He’s never going to win a Gold Glove, but he isn’t paid what he gets paid because of his glove…

 

Agree.

[mvp 78]

Being realistic, it's pretty likely that this is Bogey's last season in Boston.

 

If they can keep Devers I think we should be happy with that.

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll both be gone.

[Old Red]

I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll both be gone.

 

How bad would it be to sign Story, but lose Bogey, and Raffy?

[mvp 78]

How bad would it be to sign Story, but lose Bogey, and Raffy?

 

Terrible. The only thing I wanted was Bogey and Raffy to stick around. Losing all these franchise players for payroll reasons is f***ing stupid.

[notin]

Let's not forget he was also a Boris guy when he signed the relatively team-friendly deal he's playing under right now.

 

BorAs, not BorIs. Bogaerts is not represented by Karloff, and any resemblance of his agent to Frankensteinian monsters is purely coincidental albeit thoroughly understandable…

[notin]

How bad would it be to sign Story, but lose Bogey, and Raffy?

 

Fortunately, with players like Casas, Dalbec, Duran and maybe even Downs, we do have some opportunities to fill some roster spots with minimum wage players, which does make keep Bogaerts and Devers more likely…

[notin]

For his whole career. He is going to struggle to eat breakfast cereal with his right hand by the time he's 40.

 

Can he get a helper monkey that can turn double plays?

[jacksonianmarch]

Fortunately, with players like Casas, Dalbec, Duran and maybe even Downs, we do have some opportunities to fill some roster spots with minimum wage players, which does make keep Bogaerts and Devers more likely…

 

You are likely to lose both, IMO. Bogaerts just got replaced with a better defensive model. Devers cannot play defense at all and may wind up going the Vlad Jr route and moving to 1b. His value takes a hit and someone will be willing to make a major investment in him once he hits the market. You have a GM who thrives on flexibility, so much so that the Yanks are copying the model. When you are talking about one dimensional players and locking them up past prime, I do not think it makes sense via the Bloom model.

[Old Red]

Terrible. The only thing I wanted was Bogey and Raffy to stick around. Losing all these franchise players for payroll reasons is f***ing stupid.

 

I agree. Mookie was different, and I don’t think he wanted to stay, but to lose 2 more home grown good players who wants to stay would be FU.

[mvp 78]

BorAs, not BorIs. Bogaerts is not represented by Karloff, and any resemblance of his agent to Frankensteinian monsters is purely coincidental albeit thoroughly understandable…

 

This convo will just BorUs.

[mvp 78]

Can he get a helper monkey that can turn double plays?

 

No.

[mvp 78]

I agree. Mookie was different, and I don’t think he wanted to stay, but to lose 2 more home grown good players who wants to stay would be FU.

 

They would need to win another WS quickly before it really turns fans off. Rooting for laundry is dumb. You need to have some guys that just stick around from year to year (Yaz, Rice, Evans, Pedroia, Ortiz). When guys like Boggs, Clemens and Betts leave when they still have several years of production left in them, it really sours the fans IMO.

[Old Red]

They would need to win another WS quickly before it really turns fans off. Rooting for laundry is dumb. You need to have some guys that just stick around from year to year (Yaz, Rice, Evans, Pedroia, Ortiz). When guys like Boggs, Clemens and Betts leave when they still have several years of production left in them, it really sours the fans IMO.

 

I always thought Fisk was the worst lost. Just, because we have some highly rated prospects in the pipeline does not mean they will work out, or be as good as they are rated. Bogey, and Raffy have worked out, and good as advertised. Story no doubt will help the team for this coming year, but I’ll wait to see how things look going into next year, before I judge if this was a good signing, or not.

[Bellhorn04]

I agree. Mookie was different, and I don’t think he wanted to stay, but to lose 2 more home grown good players who wants to stay would be FU.

 

Well, we did sign Bogey to a 6 year extension. It just so happens that Bogey wanted and got an opt-out after Year 3. Now it's his choice whether to use it, and of course he will.

 

It's not quite the same as letting him walk as soon as he hit free agency.

 

Not making any sort of effort to keep Devers would certainly be disappointing, though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They would need to win another WS quickly before it really turns fans off. Rooting for laundry is dumb. You need to have some guys that just stick around from year to year (Yaz, Rice, Evans, Pedroia, Ortiz). When guys like Boggs, Clemens and Betts leave when they still have several years of production left in them, it really sours the fans IMO.

 

John Henry feels your pain, comparing boyhood idol Stan Musial to Mookie... (though that may be the last thing he told the Nation after handing the black hood and keys to the guillotine to his latest chief baseball officer).

 

It could be worse. Imagine growing up in Oakland in the 1970s and seeing all your favorites get traded or leave when free agency began. And then years later, which player for the A's do they make a movie about? None -- it was about the GM.

[mvp 78]

Well, we did sign Bogey to a 6 year extension. It just so happens that Bogey wanted and got an opt-out after Year 3. Now it's his choice whether to use it, and of course he will.

 

It's not quite the same as letting him walk as soon as he hit free agency.

 

Not making any sort of effort to keep Devers would certainly be disappointing, though.

 

@ByChrisMason

Had a long chat with Xander Bogaerts about cutting a deal with Scott Boras back in '19.

 

For all of the noise about maximizing his value, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he still just wants to stay in Boston.

 

Offer him a fair extension now ($30M AAV) and see where it goes.

[cp176]

They would need to win another WS quickly before it really turns fans off. Rooting for laundry is dumb. You need to have some guys that just stick around from year to year (Yaz, Rice, Evans, Pedroia, Ortiz). When guys like Boggs, Clemens and Betts leave when they still have several years of production left in them, it really sours the fans IMO.

 

So true! I'm only speaking for me here and I might not be your typical fan but I like to get to know the guys playing for us just a little bit. It is why I used to go to the games. It isn't just about the current year for me. I realize that it might not be a practical approach but I'm going with the boys all staying home for a few more years. If I were to buy into the revolving door theory based upon the $, I will choose to get my kicks watching the amateurs play.

[notin]

No.

 

You didn’t even check the rulebook…

[notin]

They would need to win another WS quickly before it really turns fans off. Rooting for laundry is dumb. You need to have some guys that just stick around from year to year (Yaz, Rice, Evans, Pedroia, Ortiz). When guys like Boggs, Clemens and Betts leave when they still have several years of production left in them, it really sours the fans IMO.

 

So after the historic 86 year championship drought ends, fans can’t go 4 years without a title anymore?

[mvp 78]

You didn’t even check the rulebook…

 

Per the UPC, "the Player shall execute the enclosed Life Insurance Notice and Consent Form in connection with... the League-wide Player Life Insurance Program."

 

The insurer would not provide coverage to a monkey under that specific program.