Yankees 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[notin]

In my view , Aaron Hicks has been seriously overrated for a long time. I do not see what the attraction is or has been with Hicks.

 

Hicks was valued at 3.4 fWAR in 88 games in 2017 and 5 fWAR in 137 games in 2018. He was a good player who played a premium defensive position and did well offensively and defensively. But he has always struggled to stay healthy, and that has been his downfall…

[moonslav59]

Hicks was valued at 3.4 fWAR in 88 games in 2017 and 5 fWAR in 137 games in 2018. He was a good player who played a premium defensive position and did well offensively and defensively. But he has always struggled to stay healthy, and that has been his downfall…

 

I'm not sure he's over-rated, because I've never heard him called great.

 

Yes, the guy played well, when he played, but he's never played more than 137 games and only over 123 twice.

 

3 seasons at 89+ games.

4 seasons over 81 games.

[jacksonianmarch]

He can’t stay healthy on a team that can’t stay healthy. His production is irrelevant.

[Bellhorn04]

He's a good golfer though. And his gal pal is, or was, Tiger Woods's niece Cheyenne. And she is smokin'.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't think we will find a taker for him, so he becomes our new 4th OFer. Maybe that'll keep him healthy. Hicks, when healthy, is useful, but he is never healthy. Typically high OBP and sub 20% K rate. Never been a good BABIP guy, which is weird. And he absolutely demolishes lefties. If the Yanks cannot find a good deal for Gallo, he becomes Gallo's platoon mate. We need a CFer who can play 140-150 games. Marte makes me nervous as he is older and has injury issues of his own. The rest of the market sucks.

[moonslav59]

He can’t stay healthy on a team that can’t stay healthy. His production is irrelevant.

 

Then why not trade half your team?

 

Aren't half of them injury prone?

[notin]

Then why not trade half your team?

 

Aren't half of them injury prone?

 

Well, the problem is that most of the injury-prone guys are also heavily paid to be injury-prone. Stanton and Hicks are pretty much immovable...

[notin]

I don't think we will find a taker for him, so he becomes our new 4th OFer. Maybe that'll keep him healthy. Hicks, when healthy, is useful, but he is never healthy. Typically high OBP and sub 20% K rate. Never been a good BABIP guy, which is weird. And he absolutely demolishes lefties. If the Yanks cannot find a good deal for Gallo, he becomes Gallo's platoon mate. We need a CFer who can play 140-150 games. Marte makes me nervous as he is older and has injury issues of his own. The rest of the market sucks.

 

Marte has missed 89 games total in the past 4 years. And possible not all of those were due to injury...

[moonslav59]

Well, the problem is that most of the injury-prone guys are also heavily paid to be injury-prone. Stanton and Hicks are pretty much immovable...

 

Isn't the Marlins still paying part of Stanton's deal?

 

They could throw some cash in to trade some of these guys.

 

The point is, jacko wants to replace Hicks because of injury, but is okay keeping other injury prone players in place- it seems.

[mvp 78]

Marte has missed 89 games total in the past 4 years. And possible not all of those were due to injury...

 

Marte played 61 games in a 60 game season last year. That's how healthy he is.

[mvp 78]

Over the past 9 years, Marte has played in 80% of all regular season games. That comes out to about 130 games.

[Bellhorn04]

Isn't the Marlins still paying part of Stanton's deal?

 

They could throw some cash in to trade some of these guys.

 

The point is, jacko wants to replace Hicks because of injury, but is okay keeping other injury prone players in place- it seems.

 

The Recency Effect suggests Stanton is a lot less injury-prone and more productive than Hicks.

[moonslav59]

The Recency Effect suggests Stanton is a lot less injury-prone and more productive than Hicks.

 

True, but Stanton is just one of many Yankee injury-prone players.

[mvp 78]

The Recency Effect suggests Stanton is a lot less injury-prone and more productive than Hicks.

 

The recency effect wants me to see Stanton hit at Fenway for 81 games a year.

[bkzwhitestrican]

The recency effect wants me to see Stanton hit at Fenway for 81 games a year.

 

Not sure that would help his HRs though since he hits so many line drives (as evidenced by the 3 line drives he hit during the WC game that would have been HRs in YS).

[moonslav59]

The recency effect wants me to see Stanton hit at Fenway for 81 games a year.

 

I think his lux tax hit is just $22M a year, because MIA pays $3M/yr.

[notin]

The recency effect wants me to see Stanton hit at Fenway for 81 games a year.

 

Well, some of those Sox pitchers made it easier for him...

[mvp 78]

Not sure that would help his HRs though since he hits so many line drives (as evidenced by the 3 line drives he hit during the WC game that would have been HRs in YS).

 

A hard line drive off the monster is just as visually pleasing to me.

[Bellhorn04]

I think his lux tax hit is just $22M a year, because MIA pays $3M/yr.

 

That is correct.

 

So in effect his AAV is the same as JD's.

[moonslav59]

That is correct.

 

So in effect his AAV is the same as JD's.

 

It's really not as bad as many make it out to be, if he plays, but I think the deal goes to the year 3030.

[jacksonianmarch]

Isn't the Marlins still paying part of Stanton's deal?

 

They could throw some cash in to trade some of these guys.

 

The point is, jacko wants to replace Hicks because of injury, but is okay keeping other injury prone players in place- it seems.

 

Hicks has spent 9 seasons in the bigs. He’s had a 123 game season and a 137 game season and zero other seasons over 100. He’s injury prone. There’s no way around it. When he’s on the field, he’s useful. Goal here is the ensure he makes the whole year and platooning him with Gallo helps that effort. He kills lefties. Gallo hits righties. Makes sense ultimately and keeps Hicks from blowing out another soft tissue

[jacksonianmarch]

It's really not as bad as many make it out to be, if he plays, but I think the deal goes to the year 3030.

 

Stanton is not our issue. He and Judge are two guys to build around. Stanton, if anything, has become a rock of consistency these past two seasons. Yanks altered the off-season training programs of Stanton and Judge and it paid off. If only they did the same for every other injured Yankee…

[notin]

It's really not as bad as many make it out to be, if he plays, but I think the deal goes to the year 3030.

 

Wow. 1,009 more years?

 

Not sure he can stay healthy that long…

[Bellhorn04]

Wow. 1,009 more years?

 

Not sure he can stay healthy that long…

 

LOL

 

"In the year 2525, in man is still alive, if woman can survive..."

 

(Zager and Evans song)

[dgalehouse]

The appeal of those thousand year contracts is that they do tend to lower the AAV.

[notin]

LOL

 

"In the year 2525, in man is still alive, if woman can survive..."

 

(Zager and Evans song)

 

 

And now we know why Zager and Evans were limited to one hit, as that is among the dumbest songs of all time. I totally blame Evans. I think Zager should have dumped him a lot earlier, and maybe hooked up with Garfunkel.

 

Or maybe Messina…

[notin]

The appeal of those thousand year contracts is that they do tend to lower the AAV.

 

And if you set them up with a balloon payment at the end, you can put $10 in a savings account and just let the interest pay the bill for you a few centuries later…

[jacksonianmarch]

Cashman intimated that he would be dealing from his reliever stash in comments today. Makes sense. Their pen is so stacked right now that you literally cannot fit any of the high end arms that are in AAA.

 

Chapman

Holmes

J Rodriguez

Loaisiga

Green

Peralta

King

Luetge

 

That's 8 guys and doesnt include German or Cortes, two guys who have high end value and may not make the final rotation.

[moonslav59]

Cashman intimated that he would be dealing from his reliever stash in comments today. Makes sense. Their pen is so stacked right now that you literally cannot fit any of the high end arms that are in AAA.

 

Chapman

Holmes

J Rodriguez

Loaisiga

Green

Peralta

King

Luetge

 

That's 8 guys and doesnt include German or Cortes, two guys who have high end value and may not make the final rotation.

 

Another Ottavino type deal?

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks still have these guys who are destined to start 22 in AAA and have big league cups of coffee:

 

Abreu

Nelson (likely a change of scenery guy this offseason, IMO)

Schmidt

Garcia

Ridings (dark horse for a big league job out of ST, guy chucks over 100 with a nasty slider)

Gil

 

Other top 30 guys who could make their debuts in 22:

Medina(if converted to relief)

Gomez

Sauer (if they convert him to relief)

Vasquez (if they convert him to relief)

Wesneski (if they convert him to relief)

Waldichuk (if they convert him to relief)