Yankees 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

It was not a simple matter, though, because the directives apparently came from the top. Everybody was following orders, Cora included. He made for a convenient sacrificial lamb.

 

When the Red Sox got penalized, the poor guy who operated the video was the only one suspended. As if it was all his idea or something. What a joke that was.

 

The whole only following orders rings hollow to me.

[Bellhorn04]

The whole only following orders rings hollow to me.

 

What about Red Sox players who were looking at catcher's signs in the video room in 2018? Think they got off easy too?

[moonslav59]

What about Red Sox players who were looking at catcher's signs in the video room in 2018? Think they got off easy too?

 

Maybe.

 

I'm not sure what the rules were.

 

I don't think that was as bad as trashcan signalling, but if it was against the rules, then we should have been punished, too. (Not just coaches)

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe.

 

I'm not sure what the rules were.

 

I don't think that was as bad as trashcan signalling, but if it was against the rules, then we should have been punished, too. (Not just coaches)

 

a) No, it wasn't as bad.

Yes, it was clearly against the rules.

c) Video operator J. T. Watkins was the only Sox employee punished.

[moonslav59]

a) No, it wasn't as bad.

Yes, it was clearly against the rules.

c) Video operator J. T. Watkins was the only Sox employee punished.

 

I think all players involved in cheating should be punished to some extent.

 

They make a lot of money when they do better, so it's not just about the team telling them what to do. They are doing it for themselves, too.

[Bellhorn04]

I think all players involved in cheating should be punished to some extent.

 

They make a lot of money when they do better, so it's not just about the team telling them what to do. They are doing it for themselves, too.

 

I don't disagree. I just don't see any fair way you could determine which players should be punished and how much.

[moonslav59]

I don't disagree. I just don't see any fair way you could determine which players should be punished and how much.

 

The ones caught.

 

Fines.

 

A few game suspensions.

 

More for what the Astros did.

 

Look at the Astros numbers that year. It's sick!

 

OPS in 2017 (2016/2018)

.957 Altuve (.928/.837)

.941 Correa (.811/.728)

.907 Marwin (.694/.733

.889 Springer (.815/.780)

.847 Reddick (.749/.718)

.827 Bregman (.791/.926)

.817 Gurriel (.677/.751)

.815 Marisnick (.588/.674)

 

All but one player had a better season before or after.

 

Look at the massive disparities between some of these numbers.

 

Not one was punished. Many got fat contracts afterwards- or fatter that they deserved.

[Bellhorn04]

The ones caught.

Define "caught".

[moonslav59]

Define "caught".

 

Ones known to be cheating by evidence.

[Bellhorn04]

Ones known to be cheating by evidence.

 

You'd pretty much need a trial.

[moonslav59]

You'd pretty much need a trial.

 

If there is no evidence, than there can be no punishment.

 

The Astro players admitted it.

[notin]

If there is no evidence, than there can be no punishment.

 

The Astro players admitted it.

 

Well, one did. After he left the team...

[moonslav59]

Well, one did. After he left the team...

 

The mea culpas by others were telling.

[moonslav59]

Yankee Projected Arb cost: (MLBTR)

 

Jameson Taillon – $4.7MM

Joey Gallo – $10.2MM

Gary Sanchez – $7.9MM

Aaron Judge – $17.1MM

Chad Green – $4.1MM

Wandy Peralta – $1.7MM

Jordan Montgomery – $4.8MM

Gio Urshela – $6.2MM

Luke Voit – $5.4MM

Gleyber Torres – $5.9MM

Clint Frazier – $2.4MM

Miguel Andujar – $1.7MM

Tyler Wade – $700K

Clay Holmes – $1.0MM

Jonathan Loaisiga – $1.7MM

Domingo German – $2.1MM

Lucas Luetge – $1.1MM

Tim Locastro – $700K

Kyle Higashioka – $1.2MM

[jacksonianmarch]

There’s going to be a major overhaul of these players. Cashman makes his hay trading.

[Meh]

Sign Rizzo, Rondon, and Suzuki.

 

Sign either Perez or Gomes.

 

Trade Andujar, Fraizer, Sanchez, Green, Higgy, Voit, and see if you can unload Hicks which im sure you wont be able to.

 

Rotation

Cole, Severino, Rondon, Taillon, Monty.

 

closer- Chapman

 

Set up Britton,

 

two inning fireman Loaisiga & Gil

 

middle relief Peralta, Holmes, and Luetge

 

longman King

 

 

Gomes/Perez

Rizzo

DJ

Gio

Torres

 

OF/DH rotation Suzuki/Gallo/Judge/Stanton

 

Bench

Odor, Wade, Hicks, and Sands

[notin]

Sign Rizzo, Rondon, and Suzuki.

 

Sign either Perez or Gomes.

 

Trade Andujar, Fraizer, Sanchez, Green, Higgy, Voit, and see if you can unload Hicks which im sure you wont be able to.

 

Rotation

Cole, Severino, Rondon, Taillon, Monty.

 

closer- Chapman

 

Set up Britton,

 

two inning fireman Loaisiga & Gil

 

middle relief Peralta, Holmes, and Luetge

 

longman King

 

 

Gomes/Perez

Rizzo

DJ

Gio

Torres

 

OF/DH rotation Suzuki/Gallo/Judge/Stanton

 

Bench

Odor, Wade, Hicks, and Sands

 

So you want the Yankees to sign Rodon?

 

Sure, keep up the recent strategy of signing pitchers who get hurt all the time. Is there a big fear that Taillon and Kluber got lonely on the IL?

[moonslav59]

So you want the Yankees to sign Rodon?

 

Sure, keep up the recent strategy of signing pitchers who get hurt all the time. Is there a big fear that Taillon and Kluber got lonely on the IL?

 

Kluber is available, too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Britton is out for the season

[jacksonianmarch]

Also love the Donny Sands move. Kid gets drafted out of HS as a 3b yet the Yanks has the idea of moving him to catcher. Over the last 6 years they mold him into a tremendous defensive catcher and finally this last year, the bat matured. Kid makes contact, hits for power and took some walks this year to go along with extraordinary arm and catching skills. He may make Higgy obsolete or may be the pairing with Higgy after we move on from f***head behind the dish

[jacksonianmarch]

Lots of chatter about Verlander to the Yanks. Makes all the sense in the world. Short term money. Would come in as a great 1-2 punch with Cole and the rotation is deep enough to survive without him if Father Time catches him.

 

Everyone is predicting Seager to the Yanks. In other news, water is wet.

 

I am absolutely intrigued by who gets moved. We have a large glut of arb players coming off injury plagued or down years and not enough spaces for them all. Cashman is a king of trading off big league talent in the offseason.

 

Every pundit is picking the Yanks to go absolutely apeshit this deadline. I certainly hope so, but with Hal f***wad running things, my bet is he finds a way to make the team cheap where it matters the most.

[notin]

Lots of chatter about Verlander to the Yanks. Makes all the sense in the world. Short term money. Would come in as a great 1-2 punch with Cole and the rotation is deep enough to survive without him if Father Time catches him.

 

Everyone is predicting Seager to the Yanks. In other news, water is wet.

 

I am absolutely intrigued by who gets moved. We have a large glut of arb players coming off injury plagued or down years and not enough spaces for them all. Cashman is a king of trading off big league talent in the offseason.

 

Every pundit is picking the Yanks to go absolutely apeshit this deadline. I certainly hope so, but with Hal f***wad running things, my bet is he finds a way to make the team cheap where it matters the most.

 

 

Don't fall into the trap of actually trying to call Yankee ownership cheap. Bad enough when Sox fans do that with Henry/Bloom. Like Hal or not, he is not turning the Yankees into the Pirates...

[bkzwhitestrican]

Don't fall into the trap of actually trying to call Yankee ownership cheap. Bad enough when Sox fans do that with Henry/Bloom. Like Hal or not, he is not turning the Yankees into the Pirates...

 

Not cheap, but maybe frugal is a better word. He sets a budget and adheres to it. The lone advantage the Yankees have over every other org (besides maybe Boston and LA) is their huge market and the amount of money they bring in, and since there is no salary cap they could conceivably field a team of all-stars. Now I'm not suggesting that they need to do that, but to see us trading away real prospects and useful pieces at the trade deadline just to have other teams eat like an extra $1M is irritating. If they did that to reset the luxury tax penalty then that means this season they should be spending to win. We'll see.

[moonslav59]

They were a bit "frugal," this year.

 

I doubt they are in 2022.

[jacksonianmarch]

They were a bit "frugal," this year.

 

I doubt they are in 2022.

 

They lost a lot of fans in 21. They need to show commitment to keep them back

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks have the highest ticket prices and the absolute highest revenue. As far as salary to revenue, they’re dead last. So yes, they’re cheap. Yankees MO for 100 years has been to use their considerable resources to stack the deck per se. Since revenue sharing and Lux tax started, though, they’ve played the part of a large market team, yet haven’t played the role of THE large market team. It’s time they take up that mantle again

[moonslav59]

They lost a lot of fans in 21. They need to show commitment to keep them back

 

The pissed off a lot of fans. I'm not sure I'd say "lost."

 

You know, you guys still spent a lot. Cashman did well to dump Ottavino's deal. (That's about the only good thing I can find.)

[jacksonianmarch]

The pissed off a lot of fans. I'm not sure I'd say "lost."

 

You know, you guys still spent a lot. Cashman did well to dump Ottavino's deal. (That's about the only good thing I can find.)

 

Well, Cashman just came out and said we don't have a CFer. I am sure Hicks' camp loved that, but he is right. Yanks like trading with Pitt and Reynolds makes a lot of sense, although it will cost us a lot

[moonslav59]

Well, Cashman just came out and said we don't have a CFer. I am sure Hicks' camp loved that, but he is right. Yanks like trading with Pitt and Reynolds makes a lot of sense, although it will cost us a lot

 

What are your thoughts on Hicks?

 

He just turned 32. Was his injury career-threatening?

 

I hate to praise Yankee players: you do that enough for us all, but the guy had an .819 OPS from 2017-2020 and seemed okay on D.

[dgalehouse]

In my view , Aaron Hicks has been seriously overrated for a long time. I do not see what the attraction is or has been with Hicks.