10/5 WC Game vs Yankess

[TylerD]

Sale on Thursday.

 

Let’s hope he is better than last start lol

[moonslav59]

Boone isn't the reason the Yankees are done. Only reason the Yankees made it this far is because of that long win streak they had. Your team had no hitting this year aside from Stanton and Judge. And even with Stanton and Judge your team only batted just over 230.

 

Had the Yanks not played the Twins, 3 teams would have passed them in the standings.

[moonslav59]

Do you want a career 4 ERA short reliever on the hill against the a Yankees in a late inning high leverage situation in a 1 game playoff? But yes, it was classic.

 

With all RP'ers, ERA means very little, and career numbers, too.

 

The recency effect pulls the most weight.

[redsoxrules]

I don't think it will be Sale Thursday. He's just back from TJ and he would be on short rest. Can't see that happening. It's probably going to be Erod. Sale game 2 and then Nate game 3

[TylerD]

Last night was magical folks. I want to keep this going!!! That was fun.

[redsoxrules]

With all RP'ers, ERA means very little, and career numbers, too.

 

The recency effect pulls the most weight.

 

Exactly. If we look back at 2018, Joe Kelly was a beast that particular playoff run and Cora used him perfectly. Robles could be on that type of run. I'd rather put him in the game rather than Ottavino, Richards, Perez, Darwin and even Sawamura

[moonslav59]

I don't think it will be Sale Thursday. He's just back from TJ and he would be on short rest. Can't see that happening. It's probably going to be Erod. Sale game 2 and then Nate game 3

 

He hardly pitched his last start, so I'm not sure the short rest thing matters much, but you may be right. If we are going with ERod and Sale in the first 2 games, starting ERod in game one makes more sense.

 

Eovaldi will start game 3.

 

The only real question mark is Houck. Does he start game 4 or could he even start game 2?

 

Is Pivetta done as a starter for the playoffs?

[moonslav59]

Exactly. If we look back at 2018, Joe Kelly was a beast that particular playoff run and Cora used him perfectly. Robles could be on that type of run. I'd rather put him in the game rather than Ottavino, Richards, Perez, Darwin and even Sawamura

 

I remember several posters arguing Kelly should be left off the playoff roster.

 

YES! With most RP'ers, it's all about how you did your last few games.

[iortiz]

With all RP'ers, ERA means very little, and career numbers, too.

 

The recency effect pulls the most weight.

 

Neither a one month sample. Or 2 or 3. Look at Barnes.

 

Robles was a disaster when he arrived to Boston and you don't need stats to figure out. Most people wanted him and his pal from Pittsburgh gone. Robles has improved a lot recently no doubt, and hopefully he keeps that way. Geez I guess he has even earned the closer job for now.

 

Also, career numbers in fairly large samples are not meaningless even for relievers. Robles is the definition of inconsistency when you look back at his career.

 

Quoting Forest Gump "He is a box of chocolates, you don't know what you are going to get".

 

A700's concerns regarding Robles are 100% valid.

[Old Red]

He hardly pitched his last start, so I'm not sure the short rest thing matters much, but you may be right. If we are going with ERod and Sale in the first 2 games, starting ERod in game one makes more sense.

 

Eovaldi will start game 3.

 

The only real question mark is Houck. Does he start game 4 or could he even start game 2?

 

Is Pivetta done as a starter for the playoffs?

 

It’s amazing that short rest was a big deal on Saturday if Sale pitched, but not if he goes on Thursday, and yes I know he didn’t throw many pitches in the game, but warming up before the game, and everything else was the same. To me it shouldn’t even be a question that E Rod goes in game 1. As for game 2 I would go with Pivetta, and see where they are for game 3, and go from there.

[mvp 78]

Neither a one month sample. Or 2 or 3. Look at Barnes.

 

Robles was a disaster when he arrived to Boston and you don't need stats to figure out. Most people wanted him and his pal from Pittsburgh gone. Robles has improved a lot recently no doubt, and hopefully he keeps that way. Geez I guess he has even earned the closer job for now.

 

Also, career numbers in fairly large samples are not meaningless even for relievers. Robles is the definition of inconsistency when you look back at his career.

 

Quoting Forest Gump "He is a box of chocolates, you don't know what you are going to get".

 

A700's concerns regarding Robles are 100% valid.

 

But since he is currently pitching well, you have to roll him out there as much as possible. When he falters, just stop using him in important situations. For now, he's a decent option.

[iortiz]

But since he is currently pitching well, you have to roll him out there as much as possible. When he falters, just stop using him in important situations. For now, he's a decent option.

 

Oh yeah, but still the concerns are there and valid since he is nothing close to be a consistent or very good/elite RP.

[mvp 78]

Oh yeah, but still the concerns are there and valid since he is nothing close to be a consistent or very good/elite RP.

 

Not many elite arms to spread around the league.

[mvp 78]

Since 8/30:

 

13.2 IP, 0.73 WIP, 0.00 ERA, 1.78 FIP

[iortiz]

Not many elite arms to spread around the league.

 

I think that Houck, Taylor, Whitlock for instance are better bets than Robles If you ask me, but yeah, He is rolling right know.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Here in New England, there are two TV channels that talk "sports". One features two gamblers handicapping football lines all day, while the other blabs about Brady and Beli 365 days a year.

 

So to get any Wild Card coverage, I'm watching the Yankees channel replay their postgame wake and clubhouse interviews with the losers. I'm just wondering how ESPN, in its next Aaron Judge Special, will spin his eloquent summary: "We just got kicked in the nuts..."

[mvp 78]

Here in New England, there are two TV channels that talk "sports". One features two gamblers handicapping football lines all day, while the other blabs about Brady and Beli 365 days a year.

 

So to get any Wild Card coverage, I'm watching the Yankees channel replay their postgame wake and clubhouse interviews with the losers. I'm just wondering how ESPN, in its next Aaron Judge Special, will spin his eloquent summary: "We just got kicked in the nuts..."

 

You should have just watched the ESPN2 version. I had no complaints.

[iortiz]

Here in New England, there are two TV channels that talk "sports". One features two gamblers handicapping football lines all day, while the other blabs about Brady and Beli 365 days a year.

 

So to get any Wild Card coverage, I'm watching the Yankees channel replay their postgame wake and clubhouse interviews with the losers. I'm just wondering how ESPN, in its next Aaron Judge Special, will spin his eloquent summary: "We just got kicked in the nuts..."

 

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[moonslav59]

It’s amazing that short rest was a big deal on Saturday if Sale pitched, but not if he goes on Thursday, and yes I know he didn’t throw many pitches in the game, but warming up before the game, and everything else was the same. To me it shouldn’t even be a question that E Rod goes in game 1. As for game 2 I would go with Pivetta, and see where they are for game 3, and go from there.

 

I agree that ERod should go game 1 and Sale game 2.

 

It seems like even when I agree with you, you act like I am not.

 

When I made my statement, I was not aware Sale had made 62 pitches, in that 2.1 IP. That's more than I remembered.

 

He should NOT be even considered as a game 1 starter.

[moonslav59]

Neither a one month sample. Or 2 or 3. Look at Barnes.

 

Robles was a disaster when he arrived to Boston and you don't need stats to figure out. Most people wanted him and his pal from Pittsburgh gone. Robles has improved a lot recently no doubt, and hopefully he keeps that way. Geez I guess he has even earned the closer job for now.

 

Also, career numbers in fairly large samples are not meaningless even for relievers. Robles is the definition of inconsistency when you look back at his career.

 

Quoting Forest Gump "He is a box of chocolates, you don't know what you are going to get".

 

A700's concerns regarding Robles are 100% valid.

 

Where did I say career numbers are "meaningless?"

 

I'm concerned about Robles, too, but most RP'er have long stretches of success and failure. They ride the waves of recent success or failure.

 

I don't feel comfortable bringing in Robles, but I do more than just about anyone else not names Whitlock or Houck. Taylor just got back, right? I like him more, but maybe he needs to pitch in a low leverage situation first.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Where did I say career numbers are "meaningless?"

 

I'm concerned about Robles, too, but most RP'er have long stretches of success and failure. They ride the waves of recent success or failure.

 

I don't feel comfortable bringing in Robles, but I do more than just about anyone else not names Whitlock or Houck. Taylor just got back, right? I like him more, but maybe he needs to pitch in a low leverage situation first.

 

 

Bloom had his reasons when he traded for Robles. Now we're seeing what they were. They must have seen something that could make him better.

[Old Red]

I agree that ERod should go game 1 and Sale game 2.

 

It seems like even when I agree with you, you act like I am not.

 

When I made my statement, I was not aware Sale had made 62 pitches, in that 2.1 IP. That's more than I remembered.

 

He should NOT be even considered as a game 1 starter.

 

I did not say Sale should go in game 2, and that I would go with Pivetta.

[moonslav59]

Bloom had his reasons when he traded for Robles. Now we're seeing what they were. They must have seen something that could make him better.

 

He throws hard. He's streaky.

 

I think he hoped he caught a hot streak, and he did.

 

I'm not sure he knew he got a good one.

 

Maybe he hoped one from Robles and Davis would do well.

[moonslav59]

I did not say Sale should go in game 2, and that I would go with Pivetta.

 

Okay, we agreed Sale should not go game 1.

 

Pivetta over Sale is as questionable as your fire Cora, this winter, position.

[Old Red]

Bloom had his reasons when he traded for Robles. Now we're seeing what they were. They must have seen something that could make him better.

 

Let’s remember that Whitlock was babied too this year, and for the most part had 3-4 days between appearances where he was most effective, and when he didn’t he wasn’t as effective. This is where we are going to miss an effective Barnes.

[moonslav59]

Let’s remember that Whitlock was babied too this year, and for the most part had 3-4 days between appearances where he was most effective, and when he didn’t he wasn’t as effective. This is where we are going to miss an effective Barnes.

 

Well said.

 

With guys like Taylor out and others who went down on COVID protocols, we needed guys like Robles (and Richards before him) to step up and give us a hot streak. Lucky we had so many RP'ers to choose from and only need 2-4 to be trusted at any given time. We lost when that number got down to zero and 1 or 2.

[Old Red]

Okay, we agreed Sale should not go game 1.

 

Pivetta over Sale is as questionable as your fire Cora, this winter, position.

 

Even though things turned out alright last night it wasn’t because of Cora’s game decisions. I still say he panicked, and took EO out after only 70+ pitches, and I don’t want to hear that 3rd time around crap. Stanton come real close to a 2 run homer, and it could have been a whole different ballgame, and also getting Judge thrown out at the plate. Stanton almost hit 3 hr last night, and Hit Bra,and Whitlock, who wasn’t the third time around. Like someone said last night Cora has 9 lives in these playoffs, and I did not say fire Cora this winter.

[moonslav59]

Even though things turned out alright last night it wasn’t because of Cora’s game decisions. I still say he panicked, and took EO out after only 70+ pitches, and I don’t want to hear that 3rd time around crap. Stanton come real close to a 2 run homer, and it could have been a whole different ballgame, and also getting Judge thrown out at the plate. Stanton almost hit 3 hr last night, and Hit Bra,and Whitlock, who wasn’t the third time around. Like someone said last night Cora has 9 lives in these playoffs, and I did not say fire Cora this winter.

 

So, fire Cora is still your position?

 

I'd have left Eovaldi in, too, but there is n way to knw what was the right or wrong call- after the fact.

 

As much as many think this babying pitchers sucks, and we long for the good ole days, the fact is, pitchers just don't hold up like they used to.

 

The third time through numbers are reality, and BTW, the first 2 Yankees guys up for the 3rd time homered and singled off Eovaldi. Personally, I'd look beyond that, but I'm not going to pretend I know it was the right call.

 

Cora has access to a lot more information that we do- numbers that go beyond just the raw data we can see, like...

 

Eovaldi...

.648 first time seeing a batter

.670 second time

.780 third time

1.571 4th time.

 

Stanton .832 OPS vs Eovaldi

 

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

Even though things turned out alright last night it wasn’t because of Cora’s game decisions. I still say he panicked, and took EO out after only 70+ pitches, and I don’t want to hear that 3rd time around crap. Stanton come real close to a 2 run homer, and it could have been a whole different ballgame, and also getting Judge thrown out at the plate. Stanton almost hit 3 hr last night, and Hit Bra,and Whitlock, who wasn’t the third time around. Like someone said last night Cora has 9 lives in these playoffs, and I did not say fire Cora this winter.

 

You said "hopefully he is gone after this year". That's pretty close.

 

He didn't panic last night, just the opposite. The easy thing would have been to leave Eovaldi in like the fans wanted.

 

Cora has stones, is what he has.

 

And Stanton hit a rocket off Eovaldi in the first. He's been red-hot for a while.

[mvp 78]

You said "hopefully he is gone after this year". That's pretty close.

 

He didn't panic last night, just the opposite. The easy thing would have been to leave Eovaldi in like the fans wanted.

 

Cora has stones, is what he has.

 

And Stanton hit a rocket off Eovaldi in the first. He's been red-hot for a while.

 

I don't understand why they didn't pitch around him.