trade deadline

[Maxbialystock]

What's an allowable figure to you?

 

I think it was on Ken Burns Baseball series that someone said that, before Curt Flood challenged the reserve clause, the average player made 7 times as much as the average fan in the stands. After Curt Flood, the average player made 7 X 7 as much as the average fan. That's probably still true.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Maxbialystock

[Swiharts Ghost]

With Rizzo , we are talking about adding a guy who can help down the stretch run. Maybe help to win it all. He has those credentials. As stated before, I don't know what it would take to get him. If the price is too high , it's too high. We will still have a good chance at the gold.

 

Bloom couldn’t trade for a weeks old chewing gum for a full pack .hes a figurehead with absolutely no say and no checkbook .AKA Henry’s Bitch .Guy traded Mookie for Benny basically and some lottery tickets .

Edited July 23, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

I’d trade Casas in a cocaine heartbeat for Rizzo .

[Maxbialystock]

Bloom couldn’t trade for a weeks old chewing gum for a full pack .hes a figurehead with absolutely no say and no checkbook .AKA Henry’s Bitch .Guy traded Mookie for Benny basically and some lottery tickets .

 

You can't believe that. With the possible exception of Connie Mack, owners who called all the shots on players have been uniformly unsuccessful. Successful owners like John Henry hire smart people to make those decisions and/or overwatch those who make those decisions.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You can't believe that. With the possible exception of Connie Mack, owners who called all the shots on players have been uniformly unsuccessful. Successful owners like John Henry hire smart people to make those decisions and/or overwatch those who make those decisions.

 

I like one pitcher Bloom has traded for Care to guess who ? I would trade Verdugo to Cleveland for pitching and a certain 1B if it’s there .They wouldn’t though but why ? Because Bloom traded for a guy with an 85 year old mans back issues for Mookie freaking Betts .Bloom is on the clock for me because this team is verrrrry f***ing close thanks to Cora and his guys .These men Love Cora so help them out .I don’t think he’s capable .

Edited July 23, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

Per BTV, Rizzo would cost with Gilberto Jimenez or Bryan Mata or maybe Yorke plus Rosario…

[notin]

I’d trade Casas in a cocaine heartbeat for Rizzo .

 

Which is why you’re not a GM…

[oldtimer]

Which is why you’re not a GM…

 

Is he even sane?

[notin]

Is he even sane?

 

I don’t think that’sa requirements to be a GM. Jim Hendry, Chuck Lamar…

[moonslav59]

Which is why you’re not a GM…

 

I wouldn't trade Casas for Freeman & Rizzo.

[Maxbialystock]

I like one pitcher Bloom has traded for Care to guess who ? I would trade Verdugo to Cleveland for pitching and a certain 1B if it’s there .They wouldn’t though but why ? Because Bloom traded for a guy with an 85 year old mans back issues for Mookie freaking Betts .Bloom is on the clock for me because this team is verrrrry f***ing close thanks to Cora and his guys .These men Love Cora so help them out .I don’t think he’s capable .

 

Betts went to LA for one reason and one reason only: the Sox decided his first free agent contract would be unaffordable, which in fact proved to be the case. Getting Verdugo only softened the blow slightly.

 

However, since you insist on comparing the two, I offer the following. The Dodgers are paying Mookie $365M for 12 season, which means this year he is earning $30M and has a WAR of 3.5. Verdugo is getting paid $560K and has a WAR of 1.3. So it seems to me Verdugo is a much better value even though I would agree Mookie Betts is a rarity, a bonafide five tool player (hit, hit with power, run, field, and throw).

[Bellhorn04]

I hardly ever put anyone on ignore, but I had to put SG on ignore because the stupidity in his posts makes my head hurt.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Bobby D. seems like a nice guy and all but he is walking 4% of the time and striking out 37% of the time. It would be total lunacy (and sheer negligence) to go forward and not replace Dalbec with a better player at the trade deadline.

 

Ultimately, Dalbec belongs on a rebuilding team that can afford to give him regular at bats without hurting the team's chances of winning in the short term. The Red Sox don't fit that profile this year.

[oldtimer]

Bobby D. seems like a nice guy and all but he is walking 4% of the time and striking out 37% of the time. It would be total lunacy (and sheer negligence) to go forward and not replace Dalbec with a better player at the trade deadline.

 

Ultimately, Dalbec belongs on a rebuilding team that can afford to give him regular at bats without hurting the team's chances of winning in the short term. The Red Sox don't fit that profile this year.

 

I agree. When we get Arroyo back we can sub Kike and Arroyo around and still be strong, except for 1st base. The Sox could trade for another 1st baseman and still keep Dalbec or let him go and forget the idea of platooning him, if someone wants him as part of a trade package. We also need a relief arm thru trade as some of ours have trouble finding the plate. Brasier will hopefully fill part of our need.

[moonslav59]

We just added Houck, and Valdez looks good. When we add Sale, I'm not sure Bloom thinks we need to trade for an arm.

[Bellhorn04]

We just added Houck, and Valdez looks good. When we add Sale, I'm not sure Bloom thinks we need to trade for an arm.

 

He might just to allow for the health factor, if nothing else. But he won't give up much, I don't think.

[notin]

We just added Houck, and Valdez looks good. When we add Sale, I'm not sure Bloom thinks we need to trade for an arm.

 

But ERod also became somewhat of a question mark…

[moonslav59]

Sale

Eovaldi

ERod

Pivetta

Perez

Richards

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Houck

Taylor

DHern

 

That's 12, right there.

 

If we go with 13: pick one from...

 

Sawamura (IL)

Valdez

Brasier (IL>rehab)

Rios

Andriese

Workman

Seabold

 

Even if ERod goes to the IL, we look 13 deep, once Sale comes aboard.

 

I'm always for adding a pitcher, but Bloom might just add a cheap 1Bman and call it a day.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We just added Houck, and Valdez looks good. When we add Sale, I'm not sure Bloom thinks we need to trade for an arm.

 

If fans like some of us caution about the role and recovery of Sale for the next three months, you can be sure the braintrust in charge of the franchise has the same concerns. When Bloom said he's looking to add to his "strength", maybe he means depth and insurance.

[notin]

If fans like some of us caution about the role and recovery of Sale for the next three months, you can be sure the braintrust in charge of the franchise has the same concerns. When Bloom said he's looking to add to his "strength", maybe he means depth and insurance.

 

It is true.

 

People keep planning on Sale to return, but it's probably not wise to do so and maybe even not possible this season. No setbacks to date doesn't mean they are never coming. And I would hate to see him out for 2022 just so the Sox could use him for 30 to 40 IP this season...

[Bellhorn04]

It is true.

 

People keep planning on Sale to return, but it's probably not wise to do so and maybe even not possible this season. No setbacks to date doesn't mean they are never coming. And I would hate to see him out for 2022 just so the Sox could use him for 30 to 40 IP this season...

 

But as you've pointed out, the 2021 team has a clear opportunity, and the future is always uncertain.

[notin]

But as you've pointed out, the 2021 team has a clear opportunity, and the future is always uncertain.

 

True, but you doesn't mean you rely heavily on players coming off of surgery. One of those uncertainties is Sale's health, even in August 2021...

[Bellhorn04]

True, but you doesn't mean you rely heavily on players coming off of surgery. One of those uncertainties is Sale's health, even in August 2021...

 

Isn't he on the standard post TJ surgery timeline though?

[notin]

Isn't he on the standard post TJ surgery timeline though?

 

The constantly updated one?

 

Most of those TJ surgery timelines don't end mid-season, and if they do, often teams just let the player sit out as they're out of the pennant race anyway.

 

Simple question - are you suggesting the Sox RELY on Sale coming back this year? Or is this one of those things when you try to find hypocrisy in two statements that really don't conflict at all?

[dgalehouse]

Everyone is looking to add pitching help . But we are not going to get an in demand arm without giving up more than I think we are willing to. Maybe we can get lucky and get an Eovaldi for a ham and egger like Beeks. But that doesn't happen every day. With the additions of Sale and Houck , I think we are in good enough shape as it is. I do think Rizzo would be a great move , but the price is probably too high. Maybe just go with what we have. It seems to be working.

[moonslav59]

If fans like some of us caution about the role and recovery of Sale for the next three months, you can be sure the braintrust in charge of the franchise has the same concerns. When Bloom said he's looking to add to his "strength", maybe he means depth and insurance.

 

Everyone of our pitchers have question marks. I get that.

 

My point is, if we trade for a pitcher, who gets bounced?

 

It looks hard to figure out just with Sale and Sawamura coming back.

 

Even if we go with 13, someone has to be on the IL or gets squeezed out (demoted if options/DFA'd or traded if no options.)

 

Sale

Eovaldi

ERod

Pivetta

Perez

Richards

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Houck

Taylor

DHern___ (12 man staff)

Sawamura (IL)___ (13 man staff)

Valdez

Brasier (IL>rehab)

Rios

Andriese

Workman

Seabold

 

Even if ERod or Sale aren't on the staff, we still have Valdez, Brasier and others.

 

I hope we get a pitcher, but I'm only asking who goes?

[Bellhorn04]

The constantly updated one?

 

Most of those TJ surgery timelines don't end mid-season, and if they do, often teams just let the player sit out as they're out of the pennant race anyway.

 

Simple question - are you suggesting the Sox RELY on Sale coming back this year? Or is this one of those things when you try to find hypocrisy in two statements that really don't conflict at all?

 

I'm suggesting they get the most possible out of him this year while being careful with him.

 

I have no doubt that's exactly what they're going to do.

 

By your last sentence, I assume you mean I'm trying to catch you contradicting yourself. That was really not my intent. You believe that, right?

Edited July 24, 2021 by Bellhorn04

[moonslav59]

They are going to bring Sale up, unless there is a setback.

 

He's going to pitch and take up a roster spot on the 26.

 

I don't think anyone is expecting him to be or even become our ace, but we're talking roster slots and possible trades for a pitcher that would further squeeze the roster.

 

Options remaining on 26 man bubble pitchers:

 

0- Workman, Andriese, Perez, Pivetta (not a bubble)

1- Rios, Brasier

2- DHern, Valdez

 

Of course, Bloom will stretch to keep as many good pitchers on the 40 man as reasonable, but how valuable is Andriese?

 

Workman seems like an easy DFA, but we have some tough decisions to make just on the Sale and Sawamura call-ups.

 

If we add a trade pitcher or Brasier/Andriese, then what?

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by moonslav59

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They are going to bring Sale up, unless there is a setback.

 

He's going to pitch and take up a roster spot on the 26.

 

I don't think anyone is expecting him to be or even become our ace, but we're talking roster slots and possible trades for a pitcher that would further squeeze the roster.

 

Options remaining on 26 man bubble pitchers:

 

0- Workman, Andriese, Perez, Pivetta (not a bubble)

1- Rios, Brasier

2- DHern, Valdez

 

Of course, Bloom will stretch to keep as many good pitchers on the 40 man as reasonable, but how valuable is Andriese?

 

Workman seems like an easy DFA, but we have some tough decisions to make just on the Sale and Sawamura call-ups.

 

If we add a trade pitcher or Brasier/Andriese, then what?

 

 

Dalbec and Groome for Scherzer. On the trade sim it is a minor overpay by the Red Sox... but it's worth it to beat other offers that are only fair value. Bloom does this on two conditions: a three-year extension for Max, and a three-month contract for El Guapo to sit on Sale in the dugout and temper his enthusiasm.

 

Bloom then deals Cordero and Potts to the Rox for CJ Cron. Colorado bets one of those guys will go off in the thin air, hit 30 bombs next year, and become another trade chip in a year.

[notin]

I'm suggesting they get the most possible out of him this year while being careful with him.

 

I have no doubt that's exactly what they're going to do.

 

By your last sentence, I assume you mean I'm trying to catch you contradicting yourself. That was really not my intent. You believe that, right?

 

Considering you referenced a post about going over the tax limit this year as a counterpoint to my limiting my expectations from Sale, no. I find it difficult to believe that was not your intent…