6/27 vs Yankees

[vegasbob]

Well the angels up 6-4. The rays realiable BP has been utter crap.

 

I think that was Pete Fairbanks again.

[oldtimer]

No joy in Yankee town.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Great to win when you don't have to use your closer. The SOX BP,imho, is the main reason this team is where it is.

[vegasbob]

Rays down 2 runs, and 2 outs in the bottom 9. Angels push us into first ??

[TylerD]

Ditto. Except that I was impressed with him Tuesday because it seems to me that this year ERod was one of the few pitchers who was not cheating.

Very valid point !

[illinoisredsox]

You won't be on CBS, Thunder. You'll hopefully be on TBS.

And, hopefully, I'll be getting the game on TBS and not the crappy YES.

 

Thunder works the Travelers PGA Tournament every year; CBS has the telecast. His assignment must be one that gets TV time.

[vegasbob]

June 27, Red Sox reclaim first place in AL East . Thanks Shohei

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I know most here want Whitlock converted to a starter and he probably will be, but that will be a big blow to the BP. Oh well, it probably won't happen till next season. We'll just play this one year at a time.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Thunder works the Travelers PGA Tournament every year; CBS has the telecast. His assignment must be one that gets TV time.

 

 

Thanks. My bad. I always think Red Sox, never golf.

[Bellhorn04]

Interesting that Whitlock comes back with 1 day of rest after pitching 2 innings to pitch another 1 2/3.

 

Maybe the training wheels are completely off.

 

I don't think it was something Cora necessarily wanted to do. But he wanted to nail down this game.

 

Whitlock is absolutely torturing Yankee fans. One guy says we should thank Cashman for rebuilding our bullpen (Whitlock and Ottavino).

[SoxHop]

In the next four series we play three teams that are under %500.

 

Then NY and the Bluejays a bunch.

[d-money]

Richards goes tomorrow. The guy has been awful since the sticky stuff was checked on. He has to somehow adjust.

[d-money]

In the next four series we play three teams that are under %500.

 

Then NY and the Bluejays a bunch.

 

I believe that’s after the all star break.

[Tedballgame]

Interesting that Whitlock comes back with 1 day of rest after pitching 2 innings to pitch another 1 2/3.

 

Maybe the training wheels are completely off.

 

Won't see him for at least 3 days.

[jung]

Umpiring is fine. Not just the umpire, but the players do not see the ball with the accuracy of that strike zone imposed on the screen. That imposed strike zone is not what the players see, especially not the hitters who are making split second decisions on whether to swing.

 

I favor a pitcher-friendly home plate umpire who basically forces the hitters to swing rather than try to get a walk.

 

Of course they don't see the strike zone the same way. That said, it is very difficult for a hitter to see a pitch all the way to the strike zone. At some point the low pitches can literally disappear on hitters. In fact, the last actual view a hitter has of a pitch is some number of feet out in front of the plate. The human brain is simply not capable of processing information from the eye quick enough to "see" the ball all the way to the strike zone. Besides, the hitter cannot possibly start his swing at the instant the pitch is crossing the plate. His brain is processing whatever information his eyes sent to his brain when the pitch was several feet out in front of the plate and using that to guide his swing.

 

The closer the ball gets to the plate the more it is simply a blur to the hitter from his perspective astride the plate. The hitter is "calculating" where the blur will be when his bat is in the hitting zoned translating that to his body thus controlling his swing. That is the best he can do. This is also why the uppercut swing is so ineffective compared to a level swing, which is what X-man and Rafi have. The uppercut swing simply does not stay in the hitting zone long enough and it compounds the problem of the ball being a blur to the hitter who is simply guessing as much as anything else. The uppercut is why there are so many K's now. If you hit it the ball goes a long way in the air. But the chances are greater that you won't hit it at all or won't barrel it up.

 

The umpire and the catcher actually have the best view of pitches and of those two the umpire has the best view of all. He is only trying to call the pitch. The catcher is trying to catch it or block it and that consumes a good deal of his concentration. However, Umpires do not call strike zones consistently. Whatever box is put up on the screen is provided by way of camera and computer. Whether it is "accurate" or not, it is consistent. It is in fact the only "consistent" functioning ball and strike observer of all of the participants in the drama we call baseball. None of the observers of balls and strikes are entirely accurate and some are not even close to accurate. Most of them are nowhere near consistent, not even close to consistent.

 

The worst view of the pitch..... everybody else watching. The worst of the worst, those yammering from the dugouts. The best of the worst is the hitter's view. He is using post processing information stored in his brain to make HIS call of the pitch.

Edited June 27, 2021 by jung

[moonslav59]

E Rod wasn’t terrible his last start and was very very good this start. Maybe he is making me eat crow. I would love for this to be his usual!

 

It seems like many times the pitching match-ups show a huge advantage to one team, the other team wins.

 

At least with the Sox.

[moonslav59]

E Rod wasn’t terrible his last start and was very very good this start. Maybe he is making me eat crow. I would love for this to be his usual!

 

Every now and then, someone does something different from their last game or start or multi game trend.

[moonslav59]

I know most here want Whitlock converted to a starter and he probably will be, but that will be a big blow to the BP. Oh well, it probably won't happen till next season. We'll just play this one year at a time.

 

Just think how great our pen might be with Richards added!

[a700hitter]

Santana bringing a bat to the plate would be similar to me bringing a violin to a Boston Symphony tryout.

Going into today’s game, Santana was 8 for 12 against Cole. Another example of overplaying the stat sheet.

[a700hitter]

Cole looks so frustrated

no spider tack

[a700hitter]

Suzynn Walkman and John Sterling were saying that the Red Sox schooled the Yankees in every aspect of the game

[moonslav59]

3.75

 

ERod's ERA over the last 2 starts!!!

 

1.04 Perez last 2 starts

1.93 Eovaldi last 3 starts. (2.55 last 6)

2.31 Pivetta last 2 starts.

 

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Going into today’s game, Santana was 8 for 12 against Cole. Another example of overplaying the stat sheet.

 

True. Well, at least Santana had a better day than Voit today.

[Larry Cook]

Good news today: we really played a complete game and Rodriguez threw a nice game.

 

Bad news today: too bad this was not a four game series!

[Maxbialystock]

Of course they don't see the strike zone the same way. That said, it is very difficult for a hitter to see a pitch all the way to the strike zone. At some point the low pitches can literally disappear on hitters. In fact, the last actual view a hitter has of a pitch is some number of feet out in front of the plate. The human brain is simply not capable of processing information from the eye quick enough to "see" the ball all the way to the strike zone. Besides, the hitter cannot possibly start his swing at the instant the pitch is crossing the plate. His brain is processing whatever information his eyes sent to his brain when the pitch was several feet out in front of the plate and using that to guide his swing.

 

The closer the ball gets to the plate the more it is simply a blur to the hitter from his perspective astride the plate. The hitter is "calculating" where the blur will be when his bat is in the hitting zoned translating that to his body thus controlling his swing. That is the best he can do. This is also why the uppercut swing is so ineffective compared to a level swing, which is what X-man and Rafi have. The uppercut swing simply does not stay in the hitting zone long enough and it compounds the problem of the ball being a blur to the hitter who is simply guessing as much as anything else. The uppercut is why there are so many K's now. If you hit it the ball goes a long way in the air. But the chances are greater that you won't hit it at all or won't barrel it up.

 

The umpire and the catcher actually have the best view of pitches and of those two the umpire has the best view of all. He is only trying to call the pitch. The catcher is trying to catch it or block it and that consumes a good deal of his concentration. However, Umpires do not call strike zones consistently. Whatever box is put up on the screen is provided by way of camera and computer. Whether it is "accurate" or not, it is consistent. It is in fact the only "consistent" functioning ball and strike observer of all of the participants in the drama we call baseball. None of the observers of balls and strikes are entirely accurate and some are not even close to accurate. Most of them are nowhere near consistent, not even close to consistent.

 

The worst view of the pitch..... everybody else watching. The worst of the worst, those yammering from the dugouts. The best of the worst is the hitter's view. He is using post processing information stored in his brain to make HIS call of the pitch.

 

My point remains: the home plate ump is in the best position to call balls and strikes, and the rectangle we see on our screens provides an ideal that does not exist on the field of play. Baseball is a human endeavor, not a computer game, which is that the robo-ump fanatics keep insisting we must have.

[Bellhorn04]

Good news today: we really played a complete game and Rodriguez threw a nice game.

 

Bad news today: too bad this was not a four game series!

 

Alright Larry. That was pretty good.

[Larry Cook]

Alright Larry. That was pretty good.

 

Thanks!

[moonslav59]

My point remains: the home plate ump is in the best position to call balls and strikes, and the rectangle we see on our screens provides an ideal that does not exist on the field of play. Baseball is a human endeavor, not a computer game, which is that the robo-ump fanatics keep insisting we must have.

 

Robo umps is not a computer game.

 

Having 100% consistent calls on balls and strikes would legitimize the game and create a level playing field whereby players don't have to guess and study who the ump is each night and adjust their approach accordingly.

 

[moonslav59]

Good news today: we really played a complete game and Rodriguez threw a nice game.

 

Bad news today: too bad this was not a four game series!

 

That's the best bad news you've pointed out all year.

[Larry Cook]

That's the best bad news you've pointed out all year.

 

I think there have a few others like this.

 

Bottom line is most every game has good and bad. I’m just commenting on both sides of the same coin.