The Pesky Rays Won't Go Away

[Nick]

There is a chance we have the best record in the AL after tonight!

 

Again!

 

Sox has used only one other starting pitcher, Houck twice, outside their 5 starters this year.

 

White Sox is next with 4 games started by pitchers outside of their top 5.

 

5 other teams including Yankees, Cubs and the Orioles have 7 games started by pitchers outside their top 5.

 

We've been healthy other than E Rod skipping a turn at beginning of the year.

 

(We used 16 starters in 60 game, 2020 season)

Edited June 18, 2021 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Sox has used only one other starting pitcher, Houck twice, outside their 5 starters this year.

 

White Sox is next with 4 games started by pitchers outside of their top 5.

 

5 other teams including Yankees, Cubs and the Orioles have 7 games started by pitchers outside their top 5.

 

We've been healthy other than E Rod skipping a turn at beginning of the year.

 

(We used 16 starters in 60 game, 2020 season)

 

If you look at all our ring years, they all had a lot of starts from the top 5 or 6 starters.

 

That’s a good sign for 2021, but technically, Sale is a top 5 starter, so we’ve had a lot of starts from our #6 and 2 from our #7.

[Bellhorn04]

If you look at all our ring years, they all had a lot of starts from the top 5 or 6 starters.

 

That was the Curt Schilling credo. As a person he's nutty as a fruitcake, but he does have some pretty good baseball knowledge.

[notin]

Somewhere on a Tampa Rays forum somewhere on the net, there’s a thread titled “Those Pesky Red Sox Won’t Go Away.”

 

They’re the defending AL champs. We’re drafting 4th. We’re the pests here…

[moonslav59]

Somewhere on a Tampa Rays forum somewhere on the net, there’s a thread titled “Those Pesky Red Sox Won’t Go Away.”

 

They’re the defending AL champs. We’re drafting 4th. We’re the pests here…

 

They have Rays forums?

[moonslav59]

That was the Curt Schilling credo. As a person he's nutty as a fruitcake, but he does have some pretty good baseball knowledge.

 

He stole the idea from me.

[Nick]

They have Rays forums?

 

It's basically supported by fans of other teams.

[notin]

They have Rays forums?

 

Some with as many as 9 members…

[moonslav59]

When you look back at our winning and non winning seasons and how much or little the top 5 starters started games, it is sometimes hard to determine who the top 5 were.

 

Do you go by who the top 5 were believed to be at the start of the year?

 

Also, sometimes a trade is made for a #2, 3, 4 or 5 starter, and should that mess up the study or further prove that having 5 healthy starters all year greatly enhances your chances at winning a ring?

 

How important is it to just make the playoffs and having all 5 starters healthy for the playoffs?

 

Here's a look at our rotations and GS'd since 2002:

 

2002

32 Lowe

30 Pedro

29 Burkett

23 Castillo

15 Wake

12 Fossum, 9 Oliver, 8 B Arroyo

4 by 3 Others

 

2003

33 Lowe

33 Wake

30 Burkett

29 Pedro

14 Fossum, 10 Suppan

13 by 4 others

 

2004

33 Pedro

33 Lowe

32 Schilling

30 Wake

28 Arroyo

5 by 3 others

 

2005

33 Wake

32 Arroyo

32 Clement

30 Wells

16 W Miller, 11 Schilling

8 by 4 starters

 

2006

33 Beckett

31 Schilling

23 Wake

15 Lester

12 Lester

10 Snyder

38 by 8 starters

 

2007

32 Dice-K

31 Wake

30 Beckett

24 Schilling

23 Tavarez

11 Lester

11 by 3 others

 

2008

33 Lester

30 Wake

29 Dice K

27 Beckett

15 Buch

30 by 6 starters

 

2009

32 Beckett

32 Lester

24Penny

21 Wake

16 Buch

12 Dice K

25 by 5 starters

 

2010

33 Lackey

32 Lester

28 Buch

25 Dice K

21 Beckett

19 Wake

4 by 2 others

 

2011

31 Lester

30 Beckett

28 Lackey

23 Wake

14 Buch

12 A Miller

24 by 4 others

 

2012

33 Lester

29 Buch

29 Doubront

21 Beckett

18 A Cook

11 Dice K

11 by 2 others

 

2013

33Lester

29 Lackey

29 Dempster

27 Doubront

16 Buch

10 Peavy

18 by 5 other

 

2014

28 Buch

21 Lester

21 Lackey

20 Peavy

18 de la Rosa

15 Workman

11 Webster

10 Kelly

10 Doubront

8 by 2 others

 

2015

32 W Miley

28 Porcello

25 Kelly

21 ERod

18 Buch

11Owens

9 Wright

9 Masterson

9 by 5 others

 

2016

35 Price

33Porcello

24 Wright

21 Buch

20 ERod

13 Pomeranz

16 by 4 others

 

2017

33 Porcello

32 Sale

32Pomeranz

24 ERod

15 Fister

11 Price

15 by 4 others

 

2018

33 Porcello

30 Price

27 Sale

23 ERod

13 Johnson

11 Eovaldi

11 Pomeranz

13 by 3 others

 

2019

34 ERod

32 Porcello

25 Sale

22 Price

12 Eovaldi

37 by 10 others

 

2020 (60 game season would avg 12 GS'd x 5)

12 Perez

9 Eovaldi

7 Godley

6 Mazza

5 Weber

4 Brewer

3 Houck

3 Hart

11 by 8 others

 

2021 (after 69 games- avg 14 GS x 5)

0 Sale

14 Eovaldi

14 Richards

13 ERod

13 Pivetta

13 Perez

2 Houck

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Then how about the attendance at a Van Damme movie?

 

Maybe. "Two men enter, one man leaves" is from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. It's spoken by national treasure Tina Turner.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe. "Two men enter, one man leaves" is from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. It's spoken by national treasure Tina Turner.

 

And in the classic country song 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", the lyric is "When two men go out to face each other, only one returns."

[mvp 78]

And in the classic country song 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", the lyric is "When two men go out to face each other, only one returns."

 

Can't believe they stole that line from a Mel Gibson movie.

[mvp 78]

 

True classic country folks. Though I prefer when the singer does a Boy Named Sue.

[notin]

 

True classic country folks. Though I prefer when the singer does a Boy Named Sue.

 

I believe “A Boy Named Sue” was written by Shel Silverstein…

[Kimmi]

At least the Seattle Mariners helped the Red Sox on Thursday night with a walk-off win against the Rays.

 

There are certain times when I really like the Mariners.

[harmony]

There are certain times when I really like the Mariners.

Like again Friday night after the 36-36 Seattle Mariners shut down the defending American League champs 5-1.

[Kimmi]

Like again Friday night after the 36-36 Seattle Mariners shut down the defending American League champs 5-1.

 

[Bellhorn04]

We now have 3 favorite teams:

 

1 Red Sox

2 Whoever's playing Yanks

3 Whoever's playing Rays

 

2 and 3 may be reversed depending on standings.

[Kimmi]

We now have 3 favorite teams:

 

1 Red Sox

2 Whoever's playing Yanks

3 Whoever's playing Rays

 

2 and 3 may be reversed depending on standings.

 

Ha ha. For me, I think the only time 2 and 3 would be reversed is when the Yankees are pretty much eliminated, so it would be pretty late in the season. If the Rays and the Yanks play a series right now, I'm pulling for the Rays.

[Bellhorn04]

Ha ha. For me, I think the only time 2 and 3 would be reversed is when the Yankees are pretty much eliminated, so it would be pretty late in the season. If the Rays and the Yanks play a series right now, I'm pulling for the Rays.

 

Same here.

[moonslav59]

Ha ha. For me, I think the only time 2 and 3 would be reversed is when the Yankees are pretty much eliminated, so it would be pretty late in the season. If the Rays and the Yanks play a series right now, I'm pulling for the Rays.

 

Me, too.

 

Not just because I hate the Yanks.

 

IMO, they are still the team to beat. Expect some trades by them, maybe soon, to make them better.

[Kimmi]

Me, too.

 

Not just because I hate the Yanks.

 

IMO, they are still the team to beat. Expect some trades by them, maybe soon, to make them better.

 

Suddenly, the seemingly unbeatable Pesky Rays have lost 5 in a row.

 

As much as I'd like to count the Yankees out, I can't. As we have already seen many times this season, one or two weeks can make a big difference.

[Bellhorn04]

Losing Glasnow was a kick in the head for the Rays.

[notin]

Losing Glasnow was a kick in the head for the Rays.

 

Somehow they will find some 28yo career minor leaguer to pick up the slack...

[harmony]

The Seattle Mariners are 9-5 (.643) against AL East teams (but have not played the Yankees or Blue Jays).

 

AL West teams are a combined 47-39 (.547) against AL East teams.

[Kimmi]

Somehow they will find some 28yo career minor leaguer to pick up the slack...

 

They always seem to take these hits but still manage to not miss a beat.

[Kimmi]

The Seattle Mariners are 9-5 (.643) against AL East teams (but have not played the Yankees or Blue Jays).

 

AL West teams are a combined 47-39 (.547) against AL East teams.

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I'm not willing to grant you that the AL West is a better division than the AL East.

 

That said, for today, it's Go Mariners and Go Athletics!

[Bellhorn04]

Somehow they will find some 28yo career minor leaguer to pick up the slack...

 

Yeah, we've come to expect them to do that. We'll see if they can do it this time.

[harmony]

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I'm not willing to grant you that the AL West is a better division than the AL East.

 

That said, for today, it's Go Mariners and Go Athletics!

Just sharing the facts.

 

Draw whatever conclusion you wish ... or no conclusion at all.

[Bellhorn04]

They're still f**king pesky.