Frenchy Sucks Bobby sucks .

[moonslav59]

Joey Gallo is a career 331 OBP guy. That has to be the floor for Dalbec.

 

You mean ceiling?

[mvp 78]

You mean ceiling?

 

If you want him to be a "clear keeper" that's the floor. At .300, it's a guy who is a platoon/bench bat at best.

[moonslav59]

If you want him to be a "clear keeper" that's the floor. At .300, it's a guy who is a platoon/bench bat at best.

 

Not these days.

 

If Dalbec can hit .230 with an OBP of .300 to .325, he's a FT player. He would probably play FT even hitting just 20 HRs instead of 35.

 

These are our OBP leaders beyond our "big 4:"

 

.333 Arroyo

.314 Renfroe

.292 Vaz

.291 Marwin

.277 Kike

.248 Dalbec

 

He'd be 6th in OBP at just .315.

 

I realize he plays 1B, and you expect more from that position, but unless the league numbers change, .300 or even lower might be the new acceptable "floor."

[notin]

Joey Gallo is a career 331 OBP guy. That has to be the floor for Dalbec.

 

If a .331 OBP is Dalbec’s floor, I can see him spending a few seasons in the sub-basement...

[mvp 78]

Not these days.

 

If Dalbec can hit .230 with an OBP of .300 to .325, he's a FT player. He would probably play FT even hitting just 20 HRs instead of 35.

 

These are our OBP leaders beyond our "big 4:"

 

.333 Arroyo

.314 Renfroe

.292 Vaz

.291 Marwin

.277 Kike

.248 Dalbec

 

He'd be 6th in OBP at just .315.

 

I realize he plays 1B, and you expect more from that position, but unless the league numbers change, .300 or even lower might be the new acceptable "floor."

 

315 would be the 32nd ranked 1b with 100 at bats. That's kinda garbage. That is by definition not a clear keeper.

[mvp 78]

If a .331 OBP is Dalbec’s floor, I can see him spending a few seasons in the sub-basement...

 

That's not his "floor" it needs to be his floor if he's to be a "clear keeper." That's the argument I'm making. He'll wind up this season with a OBP

[moonslav59]

315 would be the 32nd ranked 1b with 100 at bats. That's kinda garbage. That is by definition not a clear keeper.

 

Move him to 3B and Devers to 1B, this winter and .325 is a clear keeper.

 

.300 is not so "clear." You are right about that- at 1B or 3B.

[Bellhorn04]

Dalbec would be a keeper on the Yankees. Their first sackers are putting up a 167/267/249 line.

[mvp 78]

Casas is the 27th ranked prospect right now. Casas just hit .400 in Olympic qualifiers. He has a 952 OPS as of today. Dalbec hasn't had an OPS higher than that since playing in Lowell.

 

Dalbec will not be on the Red Sox in 2023. He's not a keeper unless his OBP gets to 330.

[mvp 78]

Move him to 3B and Devers to 1B, this winter and .325 is a clear keeper.

 

.300 is not so "clear." You are right about that- at 1B or 3B.

 

Devers isn't moving to 1b. He'll move to LF/DH if anywhere.

[Bellhorn04]

Casas is the 27th ranked prospect right now. Casas just hit .400 in Olympic qualifiers. He has a 952 OPS as of today. Dalbec hasn't had an OPS higher than that since playing in Lowell.

 

He had a 959 in Boston last year.

[mvp 78]

He had a 959 in Boston last year.

 

Hard to count a 23 game sample IMO.

[Bellhorn04]

Hard to count a 23 game sample IMO.

 

What size sample for Casas's 952?

[mvp 78]

What size sample for Casas's 952?

 

Fair enough. I think there's a reason to believe that Casas can continue to hit like this. I don't believe Dalbec will ever hit like 2020 again (42% k rate and 359 OBP are unlikely bedfellows).

[moonslav59]

Devers isn't moving to 1b. He'll move to LF/DH if anywhere.

 

Why not?

 

His only weakness on defense is his arm accuracy.

 

Take away his bad throws and he's a plus defender at 3B.

[notin]

Move him to 3B and Devers to 1B, this winter and .325 is a clear keeper.

 

.300 is not so "clear." You are right about that- at 1B or 3B.

 

If the plan is to keep Dalbec’s bat in the lineup with Devers’, what does flip flopping their positions do?

[mvp 78]

Why not?

 

His only weakness on defense is his arm accuracy.

 

Take away his bad throws and he's a plus defender at 3B.

 

Because Tristan Casas is already a fine 1b and he'll be the opening day 1b next year. Moving Devers creates a hole at 3b. Blocking Casas seems like a very odd decision to make. I know you've been pounding the Devers to 1b drum for 4-5 years now, but I think you're wrong here.

[moonslav59]

Fair enough. I think there's a reason to believe that Casas can continue to hit like this. I don't believe Dalbec will ever hit like 2020 again (42% k rate and 359 OBP are unlikely bedfellows).

 

Dalbec had a .362 OBP in 1609 minor league PAs and a .359 OBP in the bigs, last year (92 PAs).

 

Are you saying it's highly unlikely he can get it over .330 based on his most recent 165 PAs, only?

 

I think Casas can do better, too, but it's no sure bet. The kid doesn't even have 600 PAs in the minor, yet and his .355 OBP is lower than Bobby Dee's, without any AAA action. He's got 75 PAs above single A.

 

Dalbec's number before AAA:

.375 Rookie (32 PAs)

.367 Fall (90)

.432 Smr (111)

.427 A- (143)

.345 A (329)

.372 A+ (419)

.361 AA (563)

 

Casas

.200 Rk (5)

.349 A (493)

.429 A+ (7)

.400 AA (75)

 

[Hugh2]

Dalbec had a .362 OBP in 1609 minor league PAs and a .359 OBP in the bigs, last year (92 PAs).

 

Are you saying it's highly unlikely he can get it over .330 based on his most recent 165 PAs, only?

 

I think Casas can do better, too, but it's no sure bet. The kid doesn't even have 600 PAs in the minor, yet and his .355 OBP is lower than Bobby Dee's, without any AAA action. He's got 75 PAs above single A.

 

Dalbec's number before AAA:

.375 Rookie (32 PAs)

.367 Fall (90)

.432 Smr (111)

.427 A- (143)

.345 A (329)

.372 A+ (419)

.361 AA (563)

 

Casas

.200 Rk (5)

.349 A (493)

.429 A+ (7)

.400 AA (75)

 

 

I think it would be fair when comparing the two to point out how much younger Casas is than Bobby Dalbec.

 

If Casas went to college like Dalbec he’d be looking to go into this years draft. At this point in Dalbecs development he wasn’t even in our system yet and Casas is dominating AA ball.

[moonslav59]

I think it would be fair when comparing the two to point out how much younger Casas is than Bobby Dalbec.

 

If Casas went to college like Dalbec he’d be looking to go into this years draft. At this point in Dalbecs development he wasn’t even in our system yet and Casas is dominating AA ball.

 

That's a fair point, and I never meant the Dalbec OBP numbers to be some sort of comp with Casas.

 

I have no idea, if Dalbec can get his OBP over .300, let alone the .330 floor for winning the FT 1B job with the Sox, at least until Casas gets a chance.

 

My point was about you seemingly thinking it's impossible, when he did it over his first 1700 PAs in professional ball, including 92 PAs at the big league level, but has looked horrible over his last 165.

 

Why do so many posters think your last 100, 200 or even 400 PAs is the best indicator of what to expect going forward?

 

I'm not trying to bust your balls. I respect you and your opinions, but why seem so sure he can never get to .330, when he was over .360 for all but 2 months of his career?

 

BTW, Dalbec had a .374 OBP in college, at the same age Casas was in Rk and A ball.

[Hugh2]

That's a fair point, and I never meant the Dalbec OBP numbers to be some sort of comp with Casas.

 

I have no idea, if Dalbec can get his OBP over .300, let alone the .330 floor for winning the FT 1B job with the Sox, at least until Casas gets a chance.

 

My point was about you seemingly thinking it's impossible, when he did it over his first 1700 PAs in professional ball, including 92 PAs at the big league level, but has looked horrible over his last 165.

 

Why do so many posters think your last 100, 200 or even 400 PAs is the best indicator of what to expect going forward?

 

I'm not trying to bust your balls. I respect you and your opinions, but why seem so sure he can never get to .330, when he was over .360 for all but 2 months of his career?

 

BTW, Dalbec had a .374 OBP in college, at the same age Casas was in Rk and A ball.

 

Oh I agree, I think Bobby Dalbec is a better player than he is right now. I'd be willing to bet money he's going to be better than his current stat line, what I'm not convinced in is that he's going to be much better than he is now. I think he will be a regular somewhere I'm just not sure Boston can stomach his long stretches of nothing and K's.

[Hugh2]

I can live with a guy or two like that in my lineup if the defense is good and the rest of the lineup is good. Problem is, the Sox have 3 #9 hitters right now. The first 1/2 of the lineup is as good as anything else out there though.

[moonslav59]

Oh I agree, I think Bobby Dalbec is a better player than he is right now. I'd be willing to bet money he's going to be better than his current stat line, what I'm not convinced in is that he's going to be much better than he is now. I think he will be a regular somewhere I'm just not sure Boston can stomach his long stretches of nothing and K's.

 

I don't think he'll ever approach a .360 OBP again, at least for a full season.

 

I do think .330 is within reach, probably not this year, since the hole he's dug is deep.

 

My guess is, he might end up around .290 to .315 for most of his prime years.

 

His career OBP is now down to .288, as 2021 outweighs 2020 more and more each game he plays.

[sundvl20]

anyone think Aguilar would be a good pick-up at 1st till casas is ready and or would he cost too much

[moonslav59]

anyone think Aguilar would be a good pick-up at 1st till casas is ready and or would he cost too much

 

He's got one more arb year left, and should get a big raise, if he continues like this.

 

I doubt we offer what the Marlins would want for 1.3 yrs of him.

 

If we get anyone, if might be a salary dump player with 2 months left, but who is doing well.

 

Maybe a Carlos Santana type guy, if we opt for 1B over pitching.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Yup he’s a s*** player please demote Bobby D to AAA .let the guy build value and drop that dumpster fire

[Swiharts Ghost]

Get better position players And make a legit run at a Title .

[Bellhorn04]

Take a nap.

[moonslav59]

This is the guy who said he hasn't hated on almost every Sox player at some point.

[Hugh2]

This. We needed this thread.