Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[moonslav59]

Yanks probably gonna lose tonight. Heaney isn’t very good and Morton owns us

 

Trying the reverse Heaney mojo, again, tonight?

[jacksonianmarch]

Trying the reverse Heaney mojo, again, tonight?

 

Eventually it’ll be correct. Heaney does suck

[jacksonianmarch]

Chapman trying to blow it

[bkzwhitestrican]

That was quite stressful

[jacksonianmarch]

After the four vs the A’s, yanks go on a stretch of 19 of 23 games vs sub .500 teams. Only 4 games vs over .500 vs Toronto

[bkzwhitestrican]

Hate west coast trips, they're bad for my sleep schedule

[Kimmi]

You don’t honestly believe that

 

That was mostly tongue in cheek.

 

However, I really believe the Sox will make the playoffs, and I wouldn't be surprised if we overcome the Yankees for the 1st WC spot.

[dgalehouse]

As soon as the Yankees lose a game , we will hear " See, there is no momentum."

[Kimmi]

As soon as the Yankees lose a game , we will hear " See, there is no momentum."

 

I have said many times that momentum exists. The Yankees have momentum.

 

It just does not give them any added edge in winning the next game, beyond what advantage they might have already have due to the strength of their team versus their opponents.

[jacksonianmarch]

That was mostly tongue in cheek.

 

However, I really believe the Sox will make the playoffs, and I wouldn't be surprised if we overcome the Yankees for the 1st WC spot.

 

Teams don’t collapse like this late and recover. If the Sox make the PO’s it’s because the A’s collapsed as well

[moonslav59]

Teams don’t collapse like this late and recover. If the Sox make the PO’s it’s because the A’s collapsed as well

 

You forget your own history with the Sox?

 

Look up 1978, where the Sox collapsed then went 12-2 to end the season and force a play in,

 

In 2004, we went something line 12-18 in and around June, only to go on to beat your asses and win it all.

[jacksonianmarch]

You forget your own history with the Sox?

 

Look up 1978, where the Sox collapsed then went 12-2 to end the season and force a play in,

 

In 2004, we went something line 12-18 in and around June, only to go on to beat your asses and win it all.

 

I meant collapse like this. Total team failure. Starters, pen, defense, hitting, baserunning

[moonslav59]

I meant collapse like this. Total team failure. Starters, pen, defense, hitting, baserunning

 

The D and base running hasn’t collapsed. They both sucked wire to wire. The pen started collapsing as a whole just a couple weeks ago.

 

The starters started the collapse and then did pretty good.

 

I remember thinking 1978 and 2004 had times of seemingly total team letdown.

[jacksonianmarch]

Those teams were also massively talented with expectations on paper of contending.

[moonslav59]

Those teams were also massively talented with expectations on paper of contending.

 

Which makes those downturns more like collapses that in a year where expectations were low to begin with.

 

Good point.

[jacksonianmarch]

One thing the sox have going for them is this. Their finish to the season is against bad teams. You want to play bad teams after the deadline. Bad teams get worse when theyve dealt off their talent and waived the white flag

[jacksonianmarch]

12 in a row with Cole on the hill tonight!

[moonslav59]

Peaking early.

 

(BTW, Sale hit 98 a few times and 96 several times, last night. Seems to be proving you wrong, so far.)

[jacksonianmarch]

Good for him. Maybe the two years off healed whatever s*** was going on in his shoulder

[moonslav59]

Good for him. Maybe the two years off healed whatever s*** was going on in his shoulder

 

You sounded like there were no maybes, just a few months ago.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Going up against the old version of Sale in the wild card game is a scary thought. He still hasn't pitched against a good offense, or gone deep into a game yet, so we'll see if he is truly back to form.

[iortiz]

Going up against the old version of Sale in the wild card game is a scary thought. He still hasn't pitched against a good offense, or gone deep into a game yet, so we'll see if he is truly back to form.

 

The Twins have a respectable offense and he posted an immaculate inning.

[jacksonianmarch]

You sounded like there were no maybes, just a few months ago.

 

There's a difference between hitting upper 90s and sitting there. Sale used to sit there. Before he blew out his elbow, he started sitting low 90s and when he got into the high 90s on occasion, he wouldn't be able to locate. We shall see what he does against a good offense. The Twins lost their best hitter in a trade and their other best hitter to injury. They are a three deep lineup.

 

Also, Sale is averaging almost the exact same velocity on his fastball as he was when he went down with injury. Still a full 1.6mph down from his peak

[moonslav59]

There's a difference between hitting upper 90s and sitting there. Sale used to sit there. Before he blew out his elbow, he started sitting low 90s and when he got into the high 90s on occasion, he wouldn't be able to locate. We shall see what he does against a good offense. The Twins lost their best hitter in a trade and their other best hitter to injury. They are a three deep lineup.

 

Also, Sale is averaging almost the exact same velocity on his fastball as he was when he went down with injury. Still a full 1.6mph down from his peak

 

He was highly successful before he started "sitting upper 90's."

 

From 2014 to the first half of 2018, Sale was "sitting on" ABOUT 93-95. 2015 & 2017 saw more above 95's, but not more than 93-95. In the middle of 2018, he started sitting on 95-97.

 

Was he not a great pitchers with the CWS and before mid 2018 with the Sox?

 

Why are you acting like he needs to return to peak to be great?

 

Plus, he may very well return to peak. It might take a few starts, but he's already increasing his velo from his first start, this year.

 

This last game looks totally in line with his whole career, except mid 2018.

 

Look for yourself:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chris-sale/10603/graphs?pitchgraphs=true&statArr=&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&start=2014&end=2021&rtype=mult&gt1=15&dStatArray=FA&ymin=&ymax=

[dgalehouse]

It's as if the Yankees are on a " hot streak" or something. But we know there is no such thing. However , a one game play-in against a rejuvenated Chris Sale has to be causing some angst in The Bronx.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We shall see what he does against a good offense. The Twins lost their best hitter in a trade and their other best hitter to injury. They are a three deep lineup.

 

Also, Sale is averaging almost the exact same velocity on his fastball as he was when he went down with injury. Still a full 1.6mph down from his peak

 

Yup, Rod Carew signed with the Angels, and Joe Mauer broke down from too much catching.

 

What even is a good offense any more? The Red Sox don't face Houston or Toronto the rest of the regular season. Behind those two powerhouses in both runs per game and batting average stands Boston, a lineup that can't drive in a runner from third with less than two outs.

 

Nelson Cruz is hitting .220 as a Ray, so he fits right in with Tampa, a team that scores lots of runs while hitting a collective .239... just ahead of the Yankees, who are worse than all but four AL clubs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sale is a tremendous pitcher at lower velocities. He was an unstoppable ace at higher velocities.

[moonslav59]

Sale is a tremendous pitcher at lower velocities. He was an unstoppable ace at higher velocities.

 

He was pretty much unstoppable from 2013 to 2018, with very little differentiation

by high vs not so high velocity periods.

 

Sure, his 2018 ERA was his lowest at 2.11, but he had a 2.17 ERA in 2014.

Sure, his best WHIP was 2018 at 0.861, but he's had 2 seasons under 0.970 and many just over 1.000.

What was missing from 2018 was the innings and innings per start that made him just as dominant in the non super-high velo days. 2018 was his lowest career IP/GS season at 5.9. He had reached 7.1 twice and 6.7 three times. That has real value.

 

Look, I'm not going to argue that he wasn't most dominant in 2018, but he was lights out for many seasons before 2018, and the extra innings pitched evened the score. (He actually had a higher fWAR in 2017: 7.6 to 6.2.)

 

You, as much as anyone, know that TJS does not always sap a pitchers velo. Some have comeback to throw as hard and even harder, but that was not my point.

 

Sale was super dominant before we even traded for him and well before his velo bumped up a mph or two.

 

Sale has yet to prove he's his old self, but you have to admit, he's doing much better than you expected. (I won't even bring up your Sevy-Sale comp made this past winter.)

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Glenn Otto, who was having a tremendous minor league season, and was one of the players the Yankees traded for Gallo, made his first start in the major leagues for the Rangers. He went five innings, gave up 2 hits, 0 Runs, 0 walks, and struck out 7. This guy is going to be a quality major league starter.

 

Also, the Yankees cliff occurs after the 2022 season, no? At that time, the following players will be free agents: Judge, Gallo, Chapman, Taillon, Chad Green, Gary Sanchez, and Britton. The Yankees can't resign all of these players, not when they are locked into some bad contracts: Stanton, Cole, DJ Lemaheiu. If the Yankees don't win a championship this year or next, they may need to start a new rebuild. The Yankees window closes after 2022, and the Yankees farm system (ranked 19th) is too weak to help the Yankees avoid the impending crash.

[moonslav59]

Glenn Otto, who was having a tremendous minor league season, and was one of the players the Yankees traded for Gallo, made his first start in the major leagues for the Rangers. He went five innings, gave up 2 hits, 0 Runs, 0 walks, and struck out 7. This guy is going to be a quality major league starter.

 

Also, the Yankees cliff occurs after the 2022 season, no? At that time, the following players will be free agents: Judge, Gallo, Chapman, Taillon, Chad Green, Gary Sanchez, and Britton. The Yankees can't resign all of these players, not when they are locked into some bad contracts: Stanton, Cole, DJ Lemaheiu. If the Yankees don't win a championship this year or next, they may need to start a new rebuild. The Yankees window closes after 2022, and the Yankees farm system (ranked 19th) is too weak to help the Yankees avoid the impending crash.

 

Nope. Jacko assures us they only traded "duplicate values" and nobody special.