Milky toast GM over his head and overmatched

[Swiharts Ghost]

How many more C level players cast offs and ex Rays can one trash GM sign ?Bloom gets an F and has had plenty of time now . Edited January 17, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[a700hitter]

He hasn’t shown us anything yet. He got rid of Mookie and Price and that has been it.

[Swiharts Ghost]

He hasn’t shown us anything yet. He got rid of Mookie and Price and that has been it.

 

A700 I respect you man and I really love Verdugo but buddy you could have made that deal .i need to see something soon I’m really losing faith in this franchise choice with Bloom .If Henry wants to be the Rays go buy that s*** franchise this is Boston .

Edited January 17, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[Bellhorn04]

What we don't know is how much budget room he's been given by Henry. We were led to believe they'd be doing some spending.

 

Still a lot of time and players out there, though.

 

I'll wait until I see the team.

[jacksonianmarch]

You need to be in reality here. They were a team that was passed by the Yanks and Rays. They had a desolate farm. They were overweight with bad contracts. If they brought in a Sandy Alderson, I would say you're gonna spend your way into contention. You got Bloom, a guy who is known as a master trader and builder. He is a value guy. You don't get value from the top of the FA market. I think Bloom has done a phenomenal job, and this isnt because I am a Yankee fan. He hasnt invested in any bad deals. He got rid of an underwater contract and 1 year of an MVP caliber player and got a top 100 prospect and a near AS level OFer with 5 years of control. He dealt off a clearly declining Workman and actually got some real talent. He dealt off Pillar and actually got some talent. I have been really impressed by his trades. His draft was reasonable, not knock it out of the park, but added some good talent. He has held onto his prospects. But if you think the sox are gonna contend in 21 and likely 22, then you're out of your mind.

 

If you want predictions, I have some...

 

The sox will nurture ERod back to health and trade him for a good haul

The sox will deal off or re-sign Xander to a new deal by the end of 2021. He will not go into 2022 with only one year of control. If dealt, JMart will be part of the deal

Devers will get dealt away within the next 2 years. Devers value is way higher as a 3b, and before he ages out of the position, Bloom will cash in and get pitching capital

The sox will sign no major FAs this offseason, one mid level FA next offseason and be enormous players in the FA market after 22.

The sox will not make the playoffs in 21 or 22, but will be a PO contender in 23 and a WS contender 24 and onward

[harmony]

Some posters on this forum are in over their heads and overmatched.

 

Or not.

[Noles_1335]

Great thoughts... agree on most of them! Devers needs to be dealt before his weight becomes more of an issue. With his body type and lack of offseason conditioning he will never stay mobile enough to stick at 3B down the road. Send him out for arms while his stock is high! I did not see any thoughts in this post on Sale.....????

[Noles_1335]

Completely agree.... we may fall so far behind other teams that actually acquire talent and not double AA scrubs, it will be to far gone to complete with the big boys!

[oldtimer]

A700 I respect you man and I really love Verdugo but buddy you could have made that deal .i need to see something soon I’m really losing faith in this franchise choice with Bloom .If Henry wants to be the Rays go buy that s*** franchise this is Boston .

 

It's a good thing other posters are not as alarmist as you are. I agree with Jackson---. Bloom is doing a good job of bringing the team back into contention and will make value moves to make that happen. There is a lot of harm that has to be undone. I do expect several more solid moves before the season starts and one more this coming week. The Sox will be far more respectable in 2021 and start to be seen as a serious contender in 2022.

[jacksonianmarch]

Great thoughts... agree on most of them! Devers needs to be dealt before his weight becomes more of an issue. With his body type and lack of offseason conditioning he will never stay mobile enough to stick at 3B down the road. Send him out for arms while his stock is high! I did not see any thoughts in this post on Sale.....????

 

You’re stuck with Sale until he proves he’s healthy. Nobody is gonna pay prospect capital and the salary for the broken down version of Sale pre-TJS. If TJS was all he needed and his shoulder issue is behind him, then I could see the Sox moving him. Imagine he comes back chucking 97 and hitting corners? He’d return an immense haul of talent. But there’s a very real chance that person doesn’t exist anymore due to the shoulder. We will see

[notin]

Completely agree.... we may fall so far behind other teams that actually acquire talent and not double AA scrubs, it will be to far gone to complete with the big boys!

 

As disappointing as signing Martin Perez is, as it stands now only 5 free agents have signed deals longer than 2 years and only 10 more have even signed 2 year deals. There are lots of good players left...

[notin]

It's a good thing other posters are not as alarmist as you are. I agree with Jackson---. Bloom is doing a good job of bringing the team back into contention and will make value moves to make that happen. There is a lot of harm that has to be undone. I do expect several more solid moves before the season starts and one more this coming week. The Sox will be far more respectable in 2021 and start to be seen as a serious contender in 2022.

 

Bloom is doing good things to help the future, but that doesn’t mean you ignore the present. The Sox still have to put a watchable product on the field. After all, that is what this entire business is about - being a watchable product...

Edited January 17, 2021 by notin

[Kimmi]

Bloom is the anti-Dombrowski. Anyone expecting a bunch of Dombrowski type moves is likely going to be disappointed. That's not to say that Bloom won't eventually make a big free agent signing or a big trade, but now is not the time for either of those, for many reasons.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is the anti-Dombrowski. Anyone expecting a bunch of Dombrowski type moves is likely going to be disappointed. That's not to say that Bloom won't eventually make a big free agent signing or a big trade, but now is not the time for either of those, for many reasons.

 

We certainly didn't need another DD right now.

 

However...

 

-We traded Mookie Betts and made much of the advantages of the tax re-set.

-As of Jan. 17, our upgrades to a .400 team are Matt Andriese and Hunter Renfroe.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom is Doug good things to help the future, but that doesn’t mean you ignore the present. The Sox still have to put a watchable product on the field. After all, that is what this entire business is about - being a watchable product...

 

Bloom is the anti-Dombrowski. Anyone expecting a bunch of Dombrowski type moves is likely going to be disappointed. That's not to say that Bloom won't eventually make a big free agent signing or a big trade, but now is not the time for either of those, for many reasons.

 

... selecting and connecting consecutive talksox posts out of context, forwarding to Boston Red Sox PR Department...

[notin]

Bloom is the anti-Dombrowski. Anyone expecting a bunch of Dombrowski type moves is likely going to be disappointed. That's not to say that Bloom won't eventually make a big free agent signing or a big trade, but now is not the time for either of those, for many reasons.

 

I was wondering if Henry called a moratorium on the Sox Big Spending Days. But if he wanted a lower salary for his team and a payroll reduction, one might suspect Bogaerts would be in more trade rumors and Benintendi in fewer. Still it is a possibility...

[Bellhorn04]

I was wondering if Henry called a moratorium on the Sox Big Spending Days. But if he wanted a lower salary for his team and a payroll reduction, one might suspect Bogaerts would be in more trade rumors and Benintendi in fewer. Still it is a possibility...

 

They're betwixt and between, though, aren't they? NESN ratings nosedived the last 2 seasons. If the Red Sox want to be the Rays, their revenues are going to show it too.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was wondering if Henry called a moratorium on the Sox Big Spending Days. But if he wanted a lower salary for his team and a payroll reduction, one might suspect Bogaerts would be in more trade rumors and Benintendi in fewer. Still it is a possibility...

 

While all Sox fans hope you're wrong, it appears there are two camps in Red Sox Nation: those who keep using the past to feel good about the future, and those who can't help but worry about what is not happening now.

[notin]

They're betwixt and between, though, aren't they? NESN ratings nosedived the last 2 seasons. If the Red Sox want to be the Rays, their revenues are going to show it too.

 

Well, let’s keep some perspective and remember the vast gray area in between being one of the highest spending teams and the Rays - an area where 20-25 other teams reside...

[Bellhorn04]

Well, let’s keep some perspective and remember the vast gray area in between being one of the highest spending teams and the Rays - an area where 20-25 other teams reside...

 

I was using hyperbole for rhetorical effect.

[notin]

I was using hyperbole for rhetorical effect.

 

Don't incite panic.

 

Bloom's inactivity is actually proof jacko is not correct about Chaim's plans...

[Bellhorn04]

Don't incite panic.

 

Bloom's inactivity is actually proof jacko is not correct about Chaim's plans...

 

How so?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

How so?

 

Complete tanking.

[moonslav59]

Troll thread.

[notin]

How so?

 

If Bloom was going to be all about selling off players in July, he would need to add a few more short term sellable pieces. Right now the Sox have too many heavily paid immovables to have a fire sale.

 

Also Bogaerts would likely already be gone. His opt out reduces his trade value. He might even have been a Met by now...

[notin]

Complete tanking.

 

Is this the NBA or NFL?

 

Tanking doesn’t help much in MLB because draft picks are more volatile and less immediate...

[dgalehouse]

I don't think there are too many fans who are content to have another miserable season in the hope that things will be better in 2022 and beyond. Perhaps we are a bit spoiled, but that is how it goes. I hope that Sox ownership and management realizes that.

[jad]

I don't think there are too many fans who are content to have another miserable season in the hope that things will be better in 2022 and beyond. Perhaps we are a bit spoiled, but that is how it goes. I hope that Sox ownership and management realizes that.

 

Having watched the RS since the 50s, I'm used to consecutive miserable seasons, and it never affected the way I followed the team. What was important then was that despite how bad they were, you were following the same guys year after year. These were the players I cared about. If the roster is turned over every year or every few years, why would I feel loyalty? With the internet, I can follow any team i want. Maybe a team where RS sends its best players.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Is this the NBA or NFL?

 

Tanking doesn’t help much in MLB because draft picks are more volatile and less immediate...

 

Agreed. Yet our resident Bronx saluter has been "advising" us to trade off every single MLB player since the Betts' polarization; most likely, to make it easier for under-performing pinstripers to get closer to that pinnacle they've been slipping away for over a decade now.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't think there are too many fans who are content to have another miserable season in the hope that things will be better in 2022 and beyond. Perhaps we are a bit spoiled, but that is how it goes. I hope that Sox ownership and management realizes that.

 

We're definitely spoiled, and loving it. But that's what makes posters like us keep caring when so many band-wagoneers already tuned out before the pandemic.