2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[Bellhorn04]

The buzz on Odorizzi has dried up completely. What does a former All Star starting pitcher need to do to get some love?

 

Hopefully Bloom is playing the stealth game there.

[mvp 78]

No. He ended up talking an even lower AAV.

 

And I'm confident the $300 mill was an opening offer.

 

Then why didn't they counter after Mookie said $400M?

[mvp 78]

Hoping he calls enough RP to at least push Valdez down to Worcester and Brice into free agency...

 

If the bottom of the pen is Valdez and Whitlock, it's not the end of the world.

[mvp 78]

The buzz on Odorizzi has dried up completely. What does a former All Star starting pitcher need to do to get some love?

 

@jonmorosi

Jake Odorizzi is drawing broad interest, and his market could crystallize once Trevor Bauer signs. The Angels, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Giants, and Twins have been in contact, sources say, with the Mets a possibility if they don’t sign Bauer.

@MLBNetwork

 

@MLB

[Bellhorn04]

Then why didn't they counter after Mookie said $400M?

 

Mookie reportedly countered with $420 million. So that's a $120 million difference.

 

I have no facts on why the negotiations ended there. I can only speculate. But usually in back and forth negotiations you have an idea where things are going to end up. Maybe they expected him to counter at $375 million or something. I can't really say. But $120 million is an awfully large gap.

[moonslav59]

Signing Ozuna also puts us well over the tax threshold, with our bigger needs still lying in the pitching area. It would make no sense at all, frankly.

 

If we decided to go over and compete, it would, but it seems obvious that is not this winter's plan.

 

Signing Odorizzi & Ozuna would be a whole new plan.

[moonslav59]

Mookie reportedly countered with $420 million. So that's a $120 million difference.

 

I have no facts on why the negotiations ended there. I can only speculate. But usually in back and forth negotiations you have an idea where things are going to end up. Maybe they expected him to counter at $375 million or something. I can't really say. But $120 million is an awfully large gap.

 

If it was $300/10 and $420/12, then maybe the Sox come back with or $350/12.

 

Had we comeback with $330/10 or 365/12, it would have been more than he ended up getting.

[Bellhorn04]

If it was $300/10 and $420/12, then maybe the Sox come back with or $350/12.

 

Had we comeback with $330/10 or 365/12, it would have been more than he ended up getting.

 

All speculation once again, but when a guy asks $420 and you come back with $330, it almost falls in the insult category. Maybe that's why they didn't want to do it.

[moonslav59]

All speculation once again, but when a guy asks $420 and you come back with $330, it almost falls in the insult category. Maybe that's why they didn't want to do it.

 

I get that. Maybe the Sox felt the $420 counter was an insult.

[Bellhorn04]

I get that. Maybe the Sox felt the $420 counter was an insult.

 

I think maybe they considered it a message.

[moonslav59]

I think maybe they considered it a message.

 

An insulting or shocking message.

[notin]

@jonmorosi

Jake Odorizzi is drawing broad interest, and his market could crystallize once Trevor Bauer signs. The Angels, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Giants, and Twins have been in contact, sources say, with the Mets a possibility if they don’t sign Bauer.

@MLBNetwork

 

@MLB

 

Good to see the Sox are still active on this front. Although I have my suspicions it will not amount to much...

[moonslav59]

Good to see the Sox are still active on this front. Although I have my suspicions it will not amount to much...

 

The pattern of additions we've made, other than maybe the Ottavino trade, seem to indicate we are trying to stay under the tax line- so no Bauer, no Ozuna, no Rosenthal, no JBJ and probably no Schoop.

[Bellhorn04]

An insulting or shocking message.

 

In my speculative thinking the message was "Sorry, guys, nothing team-friendly here. I'm playing hardball and I'm more than happy to stick it out till free agency."

[harmony]

The pattern of additions we've made, other than maybe the Ottavino trade, seem to indicate we are trying to stay under the tax line- so no Bauer, no Ozuna, no Rosenthal, no JBJ and probably no Schoop.

Jonathan Schoop reportedly has re-signed with the Detroit Tigers:

 

[Kimmi]

The fact that Boston's payroll is already high may be the reason they're didn't spend large the past two years... but only they know what they can actually afford.

 

It will be interesting to see how long Henry and Co will wait for Bloom's gradual rebuild. But I'm on record that some Red Sox GM in the near future will sign a big money free agent who will never be as good for a franchise -- in so many ways -- as Mookie Betts.

 

If we had the payroll space under the cap and we had the #1 farm system, I still would not sign Betts to a 10+year contract.

[Kimmi]

Mookie is a fantastic player, but was he great for the Red Sox franchise? I'm not so sure. We're going on limited info, but he did turn down multiple offers and seemed to take a hardball line with the team. On the other hand you have Xander Bogaerts who signed an extension for one-third of what Mookie was looking for.

 

^^This.

[Kimmi]

Which ended up being 80% of what he actually got. It was a lowball offer.

 

You are talking crazy.

[notin]

Bauer to the Dodgers. Schoop, much to moon’s chagrin, is staying in Detroit...

[Sox75]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929817-jackie-bradley-jr-rumors-red-sox-fa-seeking-contract-perhaps-beyond-4-years

 

Jesus Mary! We passed on making a deal with a GENERATIONAL YOUNG TALENT, the kind of young talent everyone in the league is desperate to sign.... to appeal to the NEXT GENERATION .. one Mookie (cool name) Betts.

 

A guy you could not go wrong with. The freaking guy can professionally bowl, outshoot most Celtics players from the 3 pt line, & the guy you want to date your daughter.

 

Now... we're possibly going to throw JBJ a 6 year contract.

 

Any way you slice it, Bloom blew the biggest deal of his life, and that is not just an opinion, it is a fact!

 

Fan favorite!

HUGE GENERATIONAL APPEAL

THE GENERATIONAL TALENT of his time!

A franchise MAKER!

A marketing BOON!

5 tool guy

#1 or #2 in the mlb

Home grown

Unlimited talent

A NICE GUY!

WON a WS for you already

Highlight reel

Says & does all the right things

Kids LOVE HIM

Handsome

Well spoken

Good role model

 

Don't get me wrong! I love JBJ! BUT... come in now.

 

Sorry! Had to get that off my chest.

 

 

& the worst part.... Bloom sold us on the "premise" that "WE COULD NOT KEEP Mookie because of TOO MANY OLD s*** CONTRACTS, & we actually bought it. We actually bought it.

Edited February 6, 2021 by Sox75

[notin]

Ozuna to Atlanta

[moonslav59]

Ozuna to Atlanta

 

$65M/4 with a chance to make $80M/4.

[Larry Cook]

$65M/4 with a chance to make $80M/4.

 

Hometown discount!

[a700hitter]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929817-jackie-bradley-jr-rumors-red-sox-fa-seeking-contract-perhaps-beyond-4-years

 

Jesus Mary! We passed on making a deal with a GENERATIONAL YOUNG TALENT, the kind of young talent everyone in the league is desperate to sign.... to appeal to the NEXT GENERATION .. one Mookie (cool name) Betts.

 

A guy you could not go wrong with. The freaking guy can professionally bowl, outshoot most Celtics players from the 3 pt line, & the guy you want to date your daughter.

 

Now... we're possibly going to throw JBJ a 6 year contract.

 

Any way you slice it, Bloom blew the biggest deal of his life, and that is not just an opinion, it is a fact!

 

Fan favorite!

HUGE GENERATIONAL APPEAL

THE GENERATIONAL TALENT of his time!

A franchise MAKER!

A marketing BOON!

5 tool guy

#1 or #2 in the mlb

Home grown

Unlimited talent

A NICE GUY!

WON a WS for you already

Highlight reel

Says & does all the right things

Kids LOVE HIM

Handsome

Well spoken

Good role model

 

Don't get me wrong! I love JBJ! BUT... come in now.

 

Sorry! Had to get that off my chest.

 

 

& the worst part.... Bloom sold us on the "premise" that "WE COULD NOT KEEP Mookie because of TOO MANY OLD s*** CONTRACTS, & we actually bought it. We actually bought it.

Mookie falls into the category of a once in a generation talent. The Red Sox had 3or 4 others — Ruth, Williams, Yaz, Rice. When you let a guy like that go instead of building around him, it is momentous mistake.

[moonslav59]

Mookie falls into the category of a once in a generation talent. The Red Sox had 3or 4 others — Ruth, Williams, Yaz, Rice. When you let a guy like that go instead of building around him, it is momentous mistake.

 

If we hadn't traded Lynn and his subsequent injury ridden decline or the Fisk fiasco, they'd likely be part of the list.

 

I'd add Pedro.

Edited February 6, 2021 by moonslav59

[Sox75]

If we hadn't traded Lynn and his subsequent injury ridden decline or the Fisk fiasco, they'd likely be part of the list.

 

I'd add Pedro.

 

A ridiculous argument.

 

Of course you never know, but Mookie?

 

One of the MOST ATHLETIC, smoooooth, multi-talented, charismatic, NICE, personable, intelligent, 5-tool, relatable, young, HEALTHY, & flat out EXCITING PLAYERS IN THE last 20++ years?

 

We may have lucked out on Lynn, but this was a Gigantic PYSS OUT on Mookie!

 

An embarrassment for the franchise! A MILLENIAL mistake for the franchise!

 

Its not even debatable.

 

You simply don't trade away, and pass on signing a franchise player like this, with incredible ties to Boston!

He should have been the face of the Red Sox for the next 10++× years.

 

Instead... they build around who?

 

Yes! I LOVE BOGIE! but thats not it! Every GREAT TEAM needs superstars! To pass on the greatest player of the next 10 years, (fingers crossed) is an mlb crime!

[a700hitter]

Yeah, I would put Lynn in the same category and Fisk too. That team was full of extraordinary talent. And they let 2 of them go and it didn’t end well. Lynn’s stats with the Red Sox were very close to Betts. I wouldn’t put Pedro in the same category. He was a once in a generation talent, but unlike the others, he was pst his prime when he left. Edited February 6, 2021 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

Yeah, I would put Lynn in the same category and Fisk too. That team was full of extraordinary talent. And they let 2 of them go and it didn’t end well. Lynn’s stats with the Red Sox were very close to Betts. I wouldn’t put Pedro in the same category. He was a once in a generation talent, but unlike the others, he was pst his prime when he left.

 

Pedro is in the group with Ruth, Teddy, Yaz & Rice.

[cp176]

Betts left that much we know. Would more money have kept him in Boston? Who knows. he left! When he left, the Red Sox lost their face of the franchise player. They lost someone who might well end up being considered one of the best of all time. It continues to befuddle me as to how any franchise would not do just about anything that they possibly could to keep a player of this caliber in town. Personally I know that I can't do anything about this different approach the Red Sox have headed in although I really don't care for it. I do feel that Bloom deserves a chance but the moves that have been made so far really aren't sending shivers of hope up and down my spine. I likely will sort of follow them I guess. I certainly won't be taking the time to go to Fenway to watch them. I just don't fine them particularly interesting right now.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox75 made some great posts of just some of the many ways having Mookie Betts helps a franchise. Even if he really wanted to play somewhere else, losing Mookie is partly on the Red Sox. They did lowball him -- many times -- starting with insults at arbitration over a few thousand dollars. Then they reportedly offered him $200 million, when his market value had already surpassed that figure. And finally, they offered $300 million -- again, after Betts' market value had blown past that benchmark.

 

People can scream about a ballplayer turning down $300 million, but if a team is actually prepared to spend that much to keep their best player, then they can afford another $50ish mil to lock him up.

 

Do you know where Mookie ranks on the salary scale for 2021? TWENTY-SIXTH... think he's worth it?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/