2020 Trade Deadline

[moonslav59]

I feel like you can grab FA's like Perez any offseason. I don't see a reason to keep him around.

 

Exactly. He has more value to a contender than to us. That is a strong foundation for a trade.

 

He's not part of our 2022 and beyond plans, unless we sign him again.

[Kimmi]

I feel like you can grab FA's like Perez any offseason. I don't see a reason to keep him around.

 

Possibly, but there is no reason to trade him if the return doesn't make it worthwhile.

[Bellhorn04]

Possibly, but there is no reason to trade him if the return doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Exactly.

[notin]

I feel like you can grab FA's like Perez any offseason. I don't see a reason to keep him around.

 

The main reason to keep him around is if you don't think you can get a pitcher "like Perez" for one year $6.25 million.

 

Personally, any deal of Perez is nothing more than conditional upon the offer from the other team. He's not on a Price contract, so no need to give him away, either...

[mvp 78]

Possibly, but there is no reason to trade him if the return doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Can't that be said for any trade?

[mvp 78]

The main reason to keep him around is if you don't think you can get a pitcher "like Perez" for one year $6.25 million.

 

Personally, any deal of Perez is nothing more than conditional upon the offer from the other team. He's not on a Price contract, so no need to give him away, either...

 

Who said give him away?

[Bellhorn04]

Who said give him away?

 

I think it was your comment that "I don't see a reason to keep him around" that may have triggered this dreadful misunderstanding.

[mvp 78]

I think it was your comment that "I don't see a reason to keep him around" that may have triggered this dreadful misunderstanding.

 

It was in response to "I wouldn't be inclined to move him." Why not trade a guy like Perez if the trade makes sense? There isn't some long term planning for Perez here. He's just another guy.

 

The only reason you don't move him is if you are really concerned with Sale and ERod coming back. At that point, he's just a healthy body to throw innings. He's a 4th/5th starter.

[Bellhorn04]

It was in response to "I wouldn't be inclined to move him." Why not trade a guy like Perez if the trade makes sense? There isn't some long term planning for Perez here. He's just another guy.

 

The only reason you don't move him is if you are really concerned with Sale and ERod coming back. At that point, he's just a healthy body to throw innings. He's a 4th/5th starter.

 

Bloom might think he was a bit undervalued. We don't really know what he's thinking about it. But we'll know soon enough.

[mvp 78]

Bloom might think he was a bit undervalued. We don't really know what he's thinking about it. But we'll know soon enough.

 

I'm not sure we'll know until Speier writes his next book. Bloom could be actively trying to move Perez. If a deal doesn't happen that doesn't mean he wanted to keep him around.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure we'll know until Speier writes his next book. Bloom could be actively trying to move Perez. If a deal doesn't happen that doesn't mean he wanted to keep him around.

 

All true.

[Kimmi]

Can't that be said for any trade?

 

Not necessarily.

 

If a GM is blowing the team up and not planning to contend in the next year or two, he may trade players away for next to nothing.

 

And when I say the trade has to be 'worthwhile', I mean it has to be a clear win for the Red Sox.

[Kimmi]

It was in response to "I wouldn't be inclined to move him." Why not trade a guy like Perez if the trade makes sense? There isn't some long term planning for Perez here. He's just another guy.

 

The only reason you don't move him is if you are really concerned with Sale and ERod coming back. At that point, he's just a healthy body to throw innings. He's a 4th/5th starter.

 

Number 4 and 5 starters don't come that cheap.

[Swiharts Ghost]

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[moonslav59]

I think it was your comment that "I don't see a reason to keep him around" that may have triggered this dreadful misunderstanding.

 

I also said, at one point, something like, "we should trade everyone who will be a FA after 2020 and maybe 2021 for the best we can get, even if it's not as good as we'd like."

 

I guess that could be interpreted as wanting to trade Perez for scraps, if that's the best we are offered, but I think someone has or will offer something valuable for him.

 

Valuable enough is subjective.

 

I'm not for handing Perez away, but I do think trading him now for the best we can get, regardless of what it is, makes some sense.

[Larry Cook]

I also said, at one point, something like, "we should trade everyone who will be a FA after 2020 and maybe 2021 for the best we can get, even if it's not as good as we'd like."

 

I guess that could be interpreted as wanting to trade Perez for scraps, if that's the best we are offered, but I think someone has or will offer something valuable for him.

 

Valuable enough is subjective.

 

I'm not for handing Perez away, but I do think trading him now for the best we can get, regardless of what it is, makes some sense.

 

We could package Perez, Moreland and peraza for a decent low a prospect.

 

Come back later and get another decent prospect for Eovaldi.

 

Maybe a final trade of pillar, palecki and a reliever for another prospect.

[mvp 78]

Jon Heyman says there's a 20% chance Bogaerts is traded and 25% chance JD is dealt. Also mentions Martin Perez and Eovaldi as trade candidates.

[mvp 78]

Number 4 and 5 starters don't come that cheap.

 

It did for Martin Perez.

[moonslav59]

It did for Martin Perez.

 

Yes. I wonder what the odds are at finding someone like Perez at $6M?

 

I'd bet rather low.

 

[Bellhorn04]

It did for Martin Perez.

 

But not for Ryan Dempster.

 

Then there were John Smoltz and Brad Penny at 5 million apiece.

 

Just look at our track record of signing cheap back end starters, maybe.

 

And I'm not being argumentative about it, just making friendly conversation.

[moonslav59]

But not for Ryan Dempster.

 

Then there were John Smoltz and Brad Penny at 5 million apiece.

 

Just look at our track record of signing cheap back end starters, maybe.

 

And I'm not being argumentative about it, just making friendly conversation.

 

Dempster wasn't all that cheap. Lucky he retired early.

[notin]

Jon Heyman says there's a 20% chance Bogaerts is traded and 25% chance JD is dealt. Also mentions Martin Perez and Eovaldi as trade candidates.

 

Just specualtion, I'm guessing. I'd be surprised if either got moved.

[mvp 78]

Just specualtion, I'm guessing. I'd be surprised if either got moved.

 

Heyman is NEVER to be trusted.

[notin]

Yes. I wonder what the odds are at finding someone like Perez at $6M?

 

I'd bet rather low.

 

 

While this team needs Trevor Bauer, I would be a little surprised if they actually signed him. However, the bargain bin starters IMO this year are probably Kevin Gausman, Alex Wood and Taijuan Walker. Wood and Walker come with obvious risks...

[notin]

Heyman is NEVER to be trusted.

 

I agree. Trust notin.

 

Barnes = traded.

Bogaerts and Martinez stay put. Martinez does not opt out.

 

Book(mark) it...

[mvp 78]

And I'm not being argumentative about it, just making friendly conversation.

 

The last thing I want to do is argue about Martin Freakin' Perez. He was brought in to be a perfectly serviceable 4/5. How that makes him untouchable in a trade is beyond me though. A 29 year old who never has been a 3 WAR player. I mean, he's quite the low risk/low reward guy. If you can manage him for 4 - 5 innings every 5 days, fine. It's not great. He's not an innings eater. Isn't his highest pitch total this season like 84? He's not a workhorse.

 

That 4.54 FIP and 5.56 xFIP leads me to believe that there is some REGRESSION (not positive regression either) to come. I mean a .224 BABIP? That's 60 freakin' points better than he's ever seen before. Doesn't seem sustainable to me! BB% is at an all time high, but his WHIP is at an all time low. Are we to believe that the Red Sox have some sort of magical defense that is keeping his WHIP so low? That Kevin Pillah is somehow making that ERA look so good that we can no longer move him unless we completely fleece the other team in a deal?!?!? Really? Really!?!?!? His barrel percentage is the highest of his career! Does Martin Perez imbue these balls with magnetism for Red Sox gloves? Do we honestly think that a joker like no nothing Ron Roenicke is managing Martin Perez so well that he can outperform his peripherals? A pitcher with a decreased GB rate, an increased FB rate with an unsustainable HR/FB % sounds like a guy you are going to hitch up your carriage to? This is no clydesdale? This isn't even a show pony! This is some busted old ass hobby horse that has been scribbled on by generations and generations of ne'er-do-wells. His left on base % is higher than it has been in 7 years! His SIERA is 5.5frickin'3! Batters aren't even swinging at his garbage outside of the zone. You want to talk about smoke in mirrors! His o swing % is 24.8%. 75% of the time batters are not enticed to even swing at the slop he's throwing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mvp 78]

I agree. Trust notin.

 

Barnes = traded.

Bogaerts and Martinez stay put. Martinez does not opt out.

 

Book(mark) it...

 

I agree on all fronts. There is NO CHANCE JD opts out.

[notin]

The last thing I want to do is argue about Martin Freakin' Perez. He was brought in to be a perfectly serviceable 4/5. How that makes him untouchable in a trade is beyond me though. A 29 year old who never has been a 3 WAR player. I mean, he's quite the low risk/low reward guy. If you can manage him for 4 - 5 innings every 5 days, fine. It's not great. He's not an innings eater. Isn't his highest pitch total this season like 84? He's not a workhorse.

 

That 4.54 FIP and 5.56 xFIP leads me to believe that there is some REGRESSION (not positive regression either) to come. I mean a .224 BABIP? That's 60 freakin' points better than he's ever seen before. Doesn't seem sustainable to me! BB% is at an all time high, but his WHIP is at an all time low. Are we to believe that the Red Sox have some sort of magical defense that is keeping his WHIP so low? That Kevin Pillah is somehow making that ERA look so good that we can no longer move him unless we completely fleece the other team in a deal?!?!? Really? Really!?!?!? His barrel percentage is the highest of his career! Does Martin Perez imbue these balls with magnetism for Red Sox gloves? Do we honestly think that a joker like no nothing Ron Roenicke is managing Martin Perez so well that he can outperform his peripherals? A pitcher with a decreased GB rate, an increased FB rate with an unsustainable HR/FB % sounds like a guy you are going to hitch up your carriage to? This is no clydesdale? This isn't even a show pony! This is some busted old ass hobby horse that has been scribbled on by generations and generations of ne'er-do-wells. His left on base % is higher than it has been in 7 years! His SIERA is 5.5frickin'3! Batters aren't even swinging at his garbage outside of the zone. You want to talk about smoke in mirrors! His o swing % is 24.8%. 75% of the time batters are not enticed to even swing at the slop he's throwing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's one of those "If you give me enough" guys, the he gets dealt. Now in this case, "enough" doesn't mean Wander Franco. I suspect the price is reasonable.

 

He's on a one year/option contract. Cledarly not a building block, and never meant to be here long term. If the Sox do bring him back, then we just have this same conversation again next year, only then 1) he might not be doing as well and 2) he won't bring back as much anyway, since he won't have the cheap option year attached...

[Bellhorn04]

Dempster wasn't all that cheap.

 

That's exactly what I meant.

[Bellhorn04]

He's on a one year/option contract. Cledarly not a building block, and never meant to be here long term. If the Sox do bring him back, then we just have this same conversation again next year, only then 1) he might not be doing as well and 2) he won't bring back as much anyway, since he won't have the cheap option year attached...

 

So you're assuming we have no chance in 2021.