2020 Trade Deadline

[Noles_1335]

Guys we know nothing major is going to happen with this team! We will have all the same core and the upper management will hope ERod and Sale come back as gangbusters and that Evo will hold out of the strained oblique that’s coming and the Devers pulled hammy that’s inevitable! 2021 will be another mediocre year and then it will be a full blown cliff dive! This team has to get major league talent top to bottom and we need arms that are actual MLB pitchers!

[oldtimer]

Over the past years, we have seen major slumps before from JBJ and yet have stayed with him for his defense and occasional hitting streaks. We knew what we had but stayed with it. Why? Beni has been sliding downhill for over a year, and yet nobody has been able to get him to come out of it. The talent is there but now he is just pathetic. Now JDM is in a funk. He is there for one reason and is to hit the ball. If he can't do that, his $ millions contract is a waste of resources. Now a flags-ship player in Devers seems to have caught the bug. The Sox have a virus and it isn't corona. It appears that some just don't want to be there, whether depression or concern for illness. Whatever is going on, we would do just as well to play guys with a good attitude and get rid of those who can't or won't contribute. Pillar should play daily, so should Verdugo.

 

Trouble is, who would really want JBJ, JDM or Beni. No way to trade them. We need a kick ass manager and Roenicke isn't that type of guy. Is there a Billy Martin type around?

[notin]

Guys we know nothing major is going to happen with this team! We will have all the same core and the upper management will hope ERod and Sale come back as gangbusters and that Evo will hold out of the strained oblique that’s coming and the Devers pulled hammy that’s inevitable! 2021 will be another mediocre year and then it will be a full blown cliff dive! This team has to get major league talent top to bottom and we need arms that are actual MLB pitchers!

 

Right. Bloom seems like a really complacent guy. That’s why we still have Betts..

[notin]

Over the past years, we have seen major slumps before from JBJ and yet have stayed with him for his defense and occasional hitting streaks. We knew what we had but stayed with it. Why? Beni has been sliding downhill for over a year, and yet nobody has been able to get him to come out of it. The talent is there but now he is just pathetic. Now JDM is in a funk. He is there for one reason and is to hit the ball. If he can't do that, his $ millions contract is a waste of resources. Now a flags-ship player in Devers seems to have caught the bug. The Sox have a virus and it isn't corona. It appears that some just don't want to be there, whether depression or concern for illness. Whatever is going on, we would do just as well to play guys with a good attitude and get rid of those who can't or won't contribute. Pillar should play daily, so should Verdugo.

 

Trouble is, who would really want JBJ, JDM or Beni. No way to trade them. We need a kick ass manager and Roenicke isn't that type of guy. Is there a Billy Martin type around?

 

They may not want to play.

 

They know Betts was traded.

They know Sale is out for the year.

They know ERod is having problems.

 

The Sox had no intention of competing this season. None. And these three and all the others on the team are aware. So no one cares about these slumps. And it turns out, 2020 is a good year to tank.

 

They’re not going to try to trade Benintendi and Devers. They might dangle Martinez. And maybe Pillar and Bradley. Definitely Workman.

 

Don’t expect this to be a normal season. Henry, Bloom, Roenicke - none care about winning in 2020. The only possible bright spot so far - maybe they found something useful in Zack Godley...

[Bellhorn04]

Right. Bloom seems like a really complacent guy. That’s why we still have Betts..

 

Hey, maybe the Dodgers will trade us Bellinger. After all, he's hitting .167 with a .514 OPS, so they may think he's washed up.

[notin]

Hey, maybe the Dodgers will trade us Bellinger. After all, he's hitting .167 with a .514 OPS, so they may think he's washed up.

 

And maybe the Brewers feel the same about Yelich and his .114 BA (5 for 44) and .544 OPS....

[mvp 78]

And maybe the Brewers feel the same about Yelich and his .114 BA (5 for 44) and .544 OPS....

 

Yellich is coming off a huge injury. He may never be the same.

[notin]

Yellich is coming off a huge injury. He may never be the same.

 

 

Didn’t the Brewers extend him since that injury?

[dgalehouse]

It's a messed up season. Arguable if it should even be allowed to continue. A lot of the players have a lot on their mind , playing a game that requires a lot of focus. Especially the family guys . Not too surprising that many are not performing up to their standards. Maybe it will change as they get used to the unusual conditions. Maybe it won't.

[oldtimer]

It's a messed up season. Arguable if it should even be allowed to continue. A lot of the players have a lot on their mind , playing a game that requires a lot of focus. Especially the family guys . Not too surprising that many are not performing up to their standards. Maybe it will change as they get used to the unusual conditions. Maybe it won't.

 

What about guys who had off seasons last year which have continued into this year. Guys who go 0 for 26 and don't make solid contact at all. Tough to use the virus excuse when they have been off before the virus was any part of the season.

[notin]

What about guys who had off seasons last year which have continued into this year. Guys who go 0 for 26 and don't make solid contact at all. Tough to use the virus excuse when they have been off before the virus was any part of the season.

 

What about them?

 

Are you saying the Sox need to give up on Benintendi?

 

His off-season last year netted him .730 OPS. Maybe he is a .730 OPS guy. With his $5mill AAV, he is paid like one. So he either is paid accordingly or the Sox get a bargain if he breaks out of it.

 

Benintendi has a .105 BABIP. But if you look at his splits, the most notable thing is he has a 5.6% line drive rate. That's a bit of an aberration, to be subtle. Even last year, his line drive rate was 21%. So this is NOT a continuation of last year. For some perspective on how out of place that line drive rate is, last year, among qualified hitters, the lowest line drive rate in MLB was 15.3% (Albert Pujols). JBJ was the third worst at 17.7% If you lower it to a minimum of 10 plate appearances, the overwhelming bulk of hitters who had a LD rate at 5.6% or below are pitchers. This is a bad stretch for Benintendi. He may never be a .900 OPS guy, but he is also hits better than pitchers...

[oldtimer]

What about them?

 

Are you saying the Sox need to give up on Benintendi?

 

His off-season last year netted him .730 OPS. Maybe he is a .730 OPS guy. With his $5mill AAV, he is paid like one. So he either is paid accordingly or the Sox get a bargain if he breaks out of it.

 

Benintendi has a .105 BABIP. But if you look at his splits, the most notable thing is he has a 5.6% line drive rate. That's a bit of an aberration, to be subtle. Even last year, his line drive rate was 21%. So this is NOT a continuation of last year. For some perspective on how out of place that line drive rate is, last year, among qualified hitters, the lowest line drive rate in MLB was 15.3% (Albert Pujols). JBJ was the third worst at 17.7% If you lower it to a minimum of 10 plate appearances, the overwhelming bulk of hitters who had a LD rate5.6% or below are pitchers. This is a bad stretch for Benintendi. He may never be a .900 OPS guy, but he is also hits better than pitchers...

 

I would let JBJ go after this year, either through trade or as a FA as we shouldn't be paying him 10 million. I would keep Pillar as a 3rd or 4th outfielder.

 

I would keep Verdugo and the verdict is out on Bennintendi for me. He is not above average in defense and he isn't a power hitter. If his isn't a solid on base guy, maybe we can find better, either from the farm or through free agency.

 

I would keep Moreland another year as having an experienced left handed hitting 1st baseman to platoon is a plus, even he can't play more than 80 games due to his age.

 

Bogie is rick solid, Devers is a special talent with power and will get back on track and Vaz is a top notch catcher.

 

The verdict is also not clear with Chavis.

 

I would be looking for a right handed first baseman, a second baseman and an outfielder for the future (2021 and on). Do we have prospects that can fill any of those or will we need to make trades or enter into the FA market to find them?

 

As far as DH, JDM is here for another year and I doubt we could move him even if we wanted to.

 

The pitching will be hardest to straighten out. I trust Bloom to make significant progress year to year.

[notin]

I would let JBJ go after this year, either through trade or as a FA as we shouldn't be paying him 10 million. I would keep Pillar as a 3rd or 4th outfielder.

 

I would keep Verdugo and the verdict is out on Bennintendi for me. He is not above average in defense and he isn't a power hitter. If his isn't a solid on base guy, maybe we can find better, either from the farm or through free agency.

 

I would keep Moreland another year as having an experienced left handed hitting 1st baseman to platoon is a plus, even he can't play more than 80 games due to his age.

 

Bogie is rick solid, Devers is a special talent with power and will get back on track and Vaz is a top notch catcher.

 

The verdict is also not clear with Chavis.

 

I would be looking for a right handed first baseman, a second baseman and an outfielder for the future (2021 and on). Do we have prospects that can fill any of those or will we need to make trades or enter into the FA market to find them?

 

As far as DH, JDM is here for another year and I doubt we could move him even if we wanted to.

 

The pitching will be hardest to straighten out. I trust Bloom to make significant progress year to year.

 

If you’re talking about 2021, I agree with a lot of what you said. Moreland is my big question mark, since I’m not sure how Bloom feels about him. But the way Mitch is going now, one has to think he is playing his way into Bloom’s heart.

 

I also agree on Chavis. Frankly, the Sox have a big question mark at 2b going forward. If they want to see if Chavis can handle it, why not give him a shot instead of mucking about with all these utility Iike Peraza, Arauz, and Lin? I think Chavis and/or possibly Dalbec might be trade bait, especially if Moreland is retained.

 

Martinez might opt out, but I think he’s back. Possibly on an extension that goes beyond his option years. But that only happens if he starts hitting again...

[moonslav59]

I see Chavis as a platoon player (1B-2B-DH and 3rd string 3B)

 

I see Downs as out hope at 2B.

[notin]

I see Chavis as a platoon player (1B-2B-DH and 3rd string 3B)

 

I see Downs as out hope at 2B.

 

In 2021, maybe Downs can get a full season of AA ball. 2020 was always going to be a tank job. But if we look forward to 2021, does it make sense for Chavis to be part of the team? Same for Dalbec and Moreland.

 

Chavis isn’t a platoon option at 2b or 1b if we don’t get the LHH players at those position(s) to platoon with.

[mvp 78]

In 2021, maybe Downs can get a full season of AA ball. 2020 was always going to be a tank job. But if we look forward to 2021, does it make sense for Chavis to be part of the team? Same for Dalbec and Moreland.

 

Chavis isn’t a platoon option at 2b or 1b if we don’t get the LHH players at those position(s) to platoon with.

 

Moreland will be the LHH platoon at 1b next year. He's a cheap, solid veteran.

 

Chavis hasn't played any 2b so far this year. I wonder if they just don't see him there long term. I'm not sure Chavis has shown me enough to even qualify him as an adequate platoon guy.

[notin]

Moreland will be the LHH platoon at 1b next year. He's a cheap, solid veteran.

 

Chavis hasn't played any 2b so far this year. I wonder if they just don't see him there long term. I'm not sure Chavis has shown me enough to even qualify him as an adequate platoon guy.

 

If Moreland returns and Chavis is out at 2b, either Chavis or Dalbec is redundant...

[mvp 78]

If Moreland returns and Chavis is out at 2b, either Chavis or Dalbec is redundant...

 

Yes, Chavis is redundant.

[notin]

Yes, Chavis is redundant.

 

One of them could and probably should be gone before next season. Chavis has the disadvantage in that we’ve seen his weaknesses, but that does not mean Dalbec doesn’t have them as well, and possibly to a greater extent.

 

I think Dalbec might make more sense to deal and Chavis makes for the better role player...

[mvp 78]

One of them could and probably should be gone before next season. Chavis has the disadvantage in that we’ve seen his weaknesses, but that does not mean Dalbec doesn’t have them as well, and possibly to a greater extent.

 

I think Dalbec might make more sense to deal and Chavis makes for the better role player...

 

I don't think either has a ton of trade value TBH. Dealing Dalbec for a middle reliever when he could turn out to be Joey Gallo doesn't seem ideal. Dalbec is also more athletic and could move back to 3b if they wanted him to. s***, maybe they hand him an OF glove this offseason to back up LF.

[mvp 78]

Chavis has enough options where you can just send him to AAA for the next few years and stick around in case of injury.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Even as the team continues to lose, fans should expect to see more of the trade bait players showcased. It won't be as palatable as watching prospects with an eye on the future, but the return in deals will hopefully net more potential.

 

After the deadline, we might see call-ups, as well as regular playing time for guys like Verdugo (who should never be platooned) and Arauz.

[notin]

I don't think either has a ton of trade value TBH. Dealing Dalbec for a middle reliever when he could turn out to be Joey Gallo doesn't seem ideal. Dalbec is also more athletic and could move back to 3b if they wanted him to. s***, maybe they hand him an OF glove this offseason to back up LF.

 

Dalbec is a good 3b, but the Gallo comps might be premature. While he could spot at 1b or in the OF, is he more valuable as a backup than the arm he might bring back?

[mvp 78]

Dalbec is a good 3b, but the Gallo comps might be premature. While he could spot at 1b or in the OF, is he more valuable as a backup than the arm he might bring back?

 

I didn't say he definitely will be Gallo, just that he has that profile. I think he'd be a better platoon split at 1b than Chavis.

 

I'm not sure the arm he'd bring back would be anything to write home about.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I didn't say he definitely will be Gallo, just that he has that profile. I think he'd be a better platoon split at 1b than Chavis.

 

I'm not sure the arm he'd bring back would be anything to write home about.

 

Dalbec's trade value has probably taken a hit -- or at least stalled -- with no minors and development this summer (as opposed to if, say, he hit 30 homers at Triple A). But as a sight-unseen prospect, is he worth more than Chavis, who has hit bombs in the bigs and been exploited by MLB advance scouting and pitching?

[notin]

I didn't say he definitely will be Gallo, just that he has that profile. I think he'd be a better platoon split at 1b than Chavis.

 

I'm not sure the arm he'd bring back would be anything to write home about.

 

Dalbec is a guy with high power but high K’s who can’t bring back anything good and is at best a platoon split? Why not trade him?

 

I think unless the Sox move him to the OF, he’s probably more valuable in a trade than a weak side platoon player. Especially since the Sox already have Chavis...

[mvp 78]

Dalbec is a guy with high power but high K’s who can’t bring back anything good and is at best a platoon split? Why not trade him?

 

I think unless the Sox move him to the OF, he’s probably more valuable in a trade than a weak side platoon player. Especially since the Sox already have Chavis...

 

I think he has solid upside and fits a need on this team. I think the pitcher you'd get in return would not all that good. I like the lottery ticket aspect of Dalbec.

[mvp 78]

Dalbec's trade value has probably taken a hit -- or at least stalled -- with no minors and development this summer (as opposed to if, say, he hit 30 homers at Triple A). But as a sight-unseen prospect, is he worth more than Chavis, who has hit bombs in the bigs and been exploited by MLB advance scouting and pitching?

 

I think Chavis has substantial injury concerns which really hurts his trade value. On the open market, I'd guess that teams would prefer Dalbec.

[notin]

I think he has solid upside and fits a need on this team. I think the pitcher you'd get in return would not all that good. I like the lottery ticket aspect of Dalbec.

 

It’s impossible for me to know anything, but baseballtradevalues.com has the values for Chavis and Dalbec as nearly equal, and both about the same as Adam Civale

[mvp 78]

It’s impossible for me to know anything, but baseballtradevalues.com has the values for Chavis and Dalbec as nearly equal, and both about the same as Adam Civale

 

If you ignore Chavis' injury concerns (he's never played a full season professionally), I'd agree that the trade value would probably be a toss up between the two.