Benintendi

[Dalas21000]

Why is Benintendi still leading off batting .095?

[vegasbob]

Why is Benintendi still leading off batting .095?

 

Who needs to hit when you can walk ?

[oldtimer]

Who needs to hit when you can walk ?

 

He looks completely lost at the plate. Up in the 9th with runners on the corners he took a ball down the middle, a second call strike which was on the inside and finally struck out on a well located fastball. Is it time to bring up some youngsters?

[notin]

He looks completely lost at the plate. Up in the 9th with runners on the corners he took a ball down the middle, a second call strike which was on the inside and finally struck out on a well located fastball. Is it time to bring up some youngsters?

 

No it’s not time to bring up some youngsters.

 

1. Don’t be fooled by the date. It’s still only 9 games. We’ve all seen 9 game slumps before.

 

2. What youngsters? Have you seen our farm? And what if they struggle for 9 games? Do we call up players even younger? Like toddlers?

 

3. And are you suggesting giving up On Benintendi already?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No it’s not time to bring up some youngsters.

 

1. Don’t be fooled by the date. It’s still only 9 games. We’ve all seen 9 game slumps before.

 

2. What youngsters? Have you seen our farm? And what if they struggle for 9 games? Do we call up players even younger? Like toddlers?

 

3. And are you suggesting giving up On Benintendi already?

 

1. Each sprint game = 2.7 X 9 = 24.3 games. It's getting late early.

 

2. I'm ok with some call-ups at about the halfway mark, if the Sox are still on pace for a 20-40 record.

 

3. Absolutely not. This guy was an MLB number one prospect, a 20-20 HR/SB man his first full year at age 22, and a 4.5 WAR player the next when he led the team in hits and runs in the postseason.

 

There is legitimate concern about his overall power; he's just not driving the ball like he used to, and even his throws seem weaker (he led the AL in assists in '18). Beni's bat is definitely slower -- how many first pitches did he foul off late leading off last year -- maybe it's his leg kick or vision or "the book" pitchers share, but he looks like he could use a month in exile at a hitting monastery with a batting monk throwing grasshoppers at him that he swings at with chopsticks.

[oldtimer]

1. Each sprint game = 2.7 X 9 = 24.3 games. It's getting late early.

 

2. I'm ok with some call-ups at about the halfway mark, if the Sox are still on pace for a 20-40 record.

 

3. Absolutely not. This guy was an MLB number one prospect, a 20-20 HR/SB man his first full year at age 22, and a 4.5 WAR player the next when he led the team in hits and runs in the postseason.

 

There is legitimate concern about his overall power; he's just not driving the ball like he used to, and even his throws seem weaker (he led the AL in assists in '18). Beni's bat is definitely slower -- how many first pitches did he foul off late leading off last year -- maybe it's his leg kick or vision or "the book" pitchers share, but he looks like he could use a month in exile at a hitting monastery with a batting monk throwing grasshoppers at him that he swings at with chopsticks.

 

Beni needs help as he is lost at the plate. For those who don't want to give up on him, what is their suggestion? Leave him in when he is having trouble making contact? Clearly he has ability but needs a way to straighten himself out without hurting the team. We have two outfield prospects that would probably do as well or better at the plate.

[notin]

Beni needs help as he is lost at the plate. For those who don't want to give up on him, what is their suggestion? Leave him in when he is having trouble making contact? Clearly he has ability but needs a way to straighten himself out without hurting the team. We have two outfield prospects that would probably do as well or better at the plate.

 

Leave Benintendi in. Slumps end. We’ve all seen it before.

 

Not sure who these two outfield prospects who would be as good are. Duran? He gets by on unsustainable BABIP and might be a glove-only outfielder in MLB where defenses are better. Who’s the other one?

[illinoisredsox]

Leave Benintendi in. Slumps end. We’ve all seen it before.

 

Not sure who these two outfield prospects who would be as good are. Duran? He gets by on unsustainable BABIP and might be a glove-only outfielder in MLB where defenses are better. Who’s the other one?

 

Agree. If Beni (or any other player) has this same 10 game stretch in the middle of June (in a normal season), its just a slump. Why is it when it happens at the start of a season (any season), it's panic time.

 

Beni may never live up to his potential. He may also bloom later on. Time will tell.

 

Benintendi's career slash line: .274/.354/.438/.792 in 479 games

Here is another Sox outfielder thru his age 26 season (same age as Beninitendi): .258/.337/.440/.777 in 764 games

 

People who would have given up on the latter would not have had Dwight Evans patrolling right field for 19 years in Boston.

 

I'm not saying Beni will turn into Evans as he ages. My point is you don't give up on certain players because of a bad 10 games or even a bad season.

 

This team is not going to win anything this year; no matter how good the offense is, the pitching isn't there, and the loss of ERod makes that even moreso.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agree. If Beni (or any other player) has this same 10 game stretch in the middle of June (in a normal season), its just a slump. Why is it when it happens at the start of a season (any season), it's panic time.

 

Beni may never live up to his potential. He may also bloom later on. Time will tell.

 

Benintendi's career slash line: .274/.354/.438/.792 in 479 games

Here is another Sox outfielder thru his age 26 season (same age as Beninitendi): .258/.337/.440/.777 in 764 games

 

People who would have given up on the latter would not have had Dwight Evans patrolling right field for 19 years in Boston.

 

I'm not saying Beni will turn into Evans as he ages. My point is you don't give up on certain players because of a bad 10 games or even a bad season.

 

This team is not going to win anything this year; no matter how good the offense is, the pitching isn't there, and the loss of ERod makes that even moreso.

 

Here's another active player's line, through his first four seasons: .293/.368/.430/.798 in 487 games.

 

... Christian Yelich.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Here's another active player's line, through his first four seasons: .293/.368/.430/.798 in 487 games.

 

... Christian Yelich.

 

Being that their stats are so close, I think it would behoove the SOX to trade Beni for Yelich.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Being that their stats are so close, I think it would behoove the SOX to trade Beni for Yelich.

 

Seriously? Yelich is owed over $230 million -- just think of how many mediocre openers Bloom can hoard for that much. You should know we don't pay longterm market value for star players in Boston anymore. We wouldn't wanna get taxed.

[Noles_1335]

As long as Devers continues to pull off every pitch and trying to swing out of his shoes...... we will continue to not score any runs in the first! Devers needs to drop 20 and learn to go the other way with line drives and his damn hips from flying out on every pitch

[Noles_1335]

And that guy right there is who this team needs to be built around..... Bogey!!!!

[illinoisredsox]

And that guy right there is who this team needs to be built around..... Bogey!!!!

 

Go to the game thread for in game commentary

[oldtimer]

Leave Benintendi in. Slumps end. We’ve all seen it before.

 

Not sure who these two outfield prospects who would be as good are. Duran? He gets by on unsustainable BABIP and might be a glove-only outfielder in MLB where defenses are better. Who’s the other one?

 

Look, we have Marcus Wilson on the 30 man roster and we have Jarren Duran who we most likely will see next year. Those are the two i was speaking of. Benitenndi is in a severe slump and it's not as if he is making solid contact and is unlucky. He looks lost and is hurting the team in this abbreviated season. The Sox need him to correct his issues with the guidance of the hitting coaches and until he shows progress, how can you recommend he be on the starting lineup?

[mvp 78]

As long as Devers continues to pull off every pitch and trying to swing out of his shoes...... we will continue to not score any runs in the first! Devers needs to drop 20 and learn to go the other way with line drives and his damn hips from flying out on every pitch

 

Have you ever looked at his spray chart before?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/rafael-devers/17350/spray-charts?position=3B&type=battedball&pid2=17350&ss1=2017&se1=2020&ss2=2020&se2=2020&cht1=hangtime&cht2=battedball&vs1=ALL&vs2=ALL

[notin]

Look, we have Marcus Wilson on the 30 man roster and we have Jarren Duran who we most likely will see next year. Those are the two i was speaking of. Benitenndi is in a severe slump and it's not as if he is making solid contact and is unlucky. He looks lost and is hurting the team in this abbreviated season. The Sox need him to correct his issues with the guidance of the hitting coaches and until he shows progress, how can you recommend he be on the starting lineup?

 

I think if you replaced Benintendi with Marcus Wilson, you would find out very soon that Wilson is not going to do just as well as Benintendi. Or even close. Ok so Benintendi looks lost at the plate. Why do people think stuff like that is permanent?

 

Benintendi is not hurting the Sox chances this year. Those chances ended when Sale went down for the season...

Edited August 3, 2020 by notin

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think if you replaced Benintendi with Marcus Wilson, you would find out very soon that Wilson is not going to do just as well as Benintendi. Or even close. Ok so Benintendi looks lost at the plate. Why do people think stuff like that is permanent?

 

Benintendi is not hurting the Sox chances this year. Those chances ended when Sale went down for the season...

 

... last season. Sometimes I suspect the six-month charades with his elbow were encouraged by the Sox so other teams wouldn't know they were toast and might be more willing to discuss actual value in exchange for Price and Betts with a club that didn't appear totally desperate and determined to rebuild (which we now know they were). And now Sale is lost for most of '21.

[mvp 78]

I think if you replaced Benintendi with Marcus Wilson, you would find out very soon that Wilson is not going to do just as well as Benintendi. Or even close. Ok so Benintendi looks lost at the plate. Why do people think stuff like that is permanent?

 

Benintendi is not hurting the Sox chances this year. Those chances ended when Sale went down for the season...

 

I think Benintendi's struggles are just heightened due to the quirky nature of this season. He's falling behind early, but won't have 150 more games to make it up. It's going to get in his head and he'll continue to struggle.

[mvp 78]

Also, nobody wants to watch Marcus Wilson play at Fenway for even a short season. He only had a 727 OPS in Portland last year.

[mvp 78]

From SoxProspects:

 

The Red Sox acquired Marcus Wilson from the Arizona Diamondbacks in return for Blake Swihart and international bonus pool money in April. Though he was drafted in 2014, Wilson is only 23 years old and was just added to the 40-man roster this offseason, putting him on the brink of the major leagues. After he was acquired, Wilson really struggled in Portland, hitting .161/.307/.226 in 75 plate appearances, but he recovered after being moved down to Salem, hitting .342/.413/.603 with 8 home runs in 167 plate appearances. His return to Portland went much better, as he hit .250/.325/.486 with 7 home runs in 163 plate appearances. The biggest concern with Wilson is his hit tool. Even in his successful return to Double-A, he struck out at a 30.1 percent clip. Wilson will show above-average raw power, plus speed, and the tools to develop an average-to-slightly better defensive profile, but if he cannot make more contact it is tough to project him as more than a fringe major league bench player.

 

If he's striking out 30% of the time in AA and not hitting for monsterous power like Chavis or Dalbec, he'd be ugly in MLB.

 

For example, Chavis had a 25% k rate in AA in 2018 and 27% in AAA in 2019. When promoted to BOS, he had a 33% k rate last year and is now sporting a scorching 45% k rate this year.

 

If Wilson got some run this year, he'd most likely have a k rate around 40%. Without extreme power to back it up, that's a nightmare.

[notin]

Also, nobody wants to watch Marcus Wilson play at Fenway for even a short season. He only had a 727 OPS in Portland last year.

 

 

Marcus Wilson is Kevin Pillar Lite...

[mvp 78]

Players in 2019 with a k rate above 38% and 100 PA's: Broxton, Jake Rogers, Chris Owings, Chris Davis, Nick Williams and Gallo. Gallo is the only one who had a positive fWAR (and only because he slugged about 600).

[mvp 78]

Marcus Wilson is Kevin Pillar Lite...

 

A forced Marcus Wilson diet would get persecuted by the Hague.

[notin]

Players in 2019 with a k rate above 38% and 100 PA's: Broxton, Jake Rogers, Chris Owings, Chris Davis, Nick Williams and Gallo. Gallo is the only one who had a positive fWAR (and only because he slugged about 600).

 

Well, also because he had good defensive numbers in CF...

[mvp 78]

Well, also because he had good defensive numbers in CF...

 

Chris Ownings had a better defensive year and he was a negative fWAR guy. Gallo's slugging had a much bigger impact on his fWAR than his defense.

[notin]

Chris Ownings had a better defensive year and he was a negative fWAR guy. Gallo's slugging had a much bigger impact on his fWAR than his defense.

 

Maybe I’m just saying his SLG is not the only factor.

 

Owings was one of if not the the worst offensive player in the league. No amount of defense was going to make him a positive contribution. Just because his defense didn’t save him doesn’t mean Gallo’s was insignificant...

[oldtimer]

I think Benintendi's struggles are just heightened due to the quirky nature of this season. He's falling behind early, but won't have 150 more games to make it up. It's going to get in his head and he'll continue to struggle.

 

Beni's had 10 strikeouts in 34 plate appearances. He has had 9 walks so continues to grind. It's disturbing his batted balls in play is only .143. i do think it is in his head and that he needs help to get out of this slump. Putting him into the lineup doesn't seem to be helping him. They play virtually every during this shortened season, so how does he get the work to find his way out?

[mvp 78]

Beni's had 10 strikeouts in 34 plate appearances. He has had 9 walks so continues to grind. It's disturbing his batted balls in play is only .143. i do think it is in his head and that he needs help to get out of this slump. Putting him into the lineup doesn't seem to be helping him. They play virtually every during this shortened season, so how does he get the work to find his way out?

 

Right now, he's only hitting 7% line drive rate. That's just not going to get it done. he's making a ton of soft and medium contact, but not much hard contact.

[Dalas21000]

Damn....hes still leading off??? WTF