What should Bloom's plan for 2020 be?

[notin]

i think the plan is to have Annie Savoy manage the team in ST...

 

Lou Brown is a better manager...

[notin]

The point that Harold Baines made is that the manager sets the tone for the team. He thought Boston was inviting another instance of inmates running the asylum scenario with no one in charge. As a former big leaguer Harold Baines has a lot of credibility and his comments have to be taken seriously.

If Bloom is serious about not naming a manager before the start of ST, I'd say Henry learned nothing from last year's disastrous ST.

 

The one where we had a manager and he f***ed things up?

[Elktonnick]

Unless the future manager will already be with the team and not just given that title?

No title equals no authority

[Elktonnick]

The one where we had a manager and he f***ed things up?

That's why I do not want Cora back assuming he isn't banned.

[mvp 78]

No title equals no authority

 

It's the same authority those guys had last year under Cora. I don't think the Sox players are that unprofessional.

[Elktonnick]

It's the same authority those guys had last year under Cora. I don't think the Sox players are that unprofessional.

Really I guess you have forgotten 2011 already! Baines who knows MLB players from experience thinks Bloom is inviting a repetition of beer and chicken days again and said so.

[mvp 78]

Really I guess you have forgotten 2011 already! Baines who knows MLB players from experience thinks Bloom is inviting a repetition of beer and chicken days again and said so.

 

They don't seem to have guys with personalities like Beckett/Lackey/AGon/CC on this squad (save for maybe Price).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The plan isn't to go rudderless... the Sox know more than us about the deal the MLB cut with them (as in, "give us Cora, and we'll take that into consideration during your sentencing"), and they probably know more about which way the report will go. With absolutely no candidates in the news -- I know they want to keep it private, but there's got to be a Red Sox fan or two working at Logan Airport who would at least recognize a name and start a rumor -- it looks like they're staying internal... maybe even for the next few years:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/merloni-why-alex-cora-could-return-red-sox-manager-2021

[mvp 78]

The plan isn't to go rudderless... the Sox know more than us about the deal the MLB cut with them (as in, "give us Cora, and we'll take that into consideration during your sentencing"), and they probably know more about which way the report will go. With absolutely no candidates in the news -- I know they want to keep it private, but there's got to be a Red Sox fan or two working at Logan Airport who would at least recognize a name and start a rumor -- it looks like they're staying internal... maybe even for the next few years:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/merloni-why-alex-cora-could-return-red-sox-manager-2021

 

If Hensley Meulens walked through Logan with a big old cowboy hat on, nobody would notice.

[notin]

If Hensley Meulens walked through Logan with a big old cowboy hat on, nobody would notice.

 

Even if he carried a sign saying "I'm Hensley Meulens, Mets Bench Coach Looking for a Managerial Position with the Red Sox"

[mvp 78]

Even if he carried a sign saying "I'm Hensley Meulens, Mets Bench Coach Looking for a Managerial Position with the Red Sox"

 

I'm not sure I could 100% pick Ron Roenicke out of a lineup at this very second.

[Noles_1335]

Hate to say it but, this season may turn out to be a Sh!T Show. What is Bloom doing? No need to wait around until the trade deadline if we're going to be battling for the last spot with the O's. I agree with Moon, I want to compete but not at the expense of a maybe wildcard team this season to kill us for 2021 and so on!

[mvp 78]

He’s following orders.

[jacksonianmarch]

So as of right now, what we are having reported is Betts for Myers, Campusano, Cronenworth, and either Luchessi or Quantrill.

 

The money difference for AAV is $13 mil, but it leaves the sox with a cap hit of $14 mil per season for 2021 and 2022. That is a negative.

 

Campusano gives the sox a true blue chip catching prospect who likely heads to AA. Catcher's progress slower than most, so it is possible that he spends 2020 and 2021 in the minors before coming up in 2022, which is Vazquez's final season. Or, if the sox deal off Vazquez, Campusano could be an option mid season 2021 if he keeps mashing.

 

Myers has always been a guy with big potential. He's got 20+ SB potential and 20+ HR potential. Removing him from SD could help as could some reps at DH when JD is pressed into OF duty. Moving him to Fenway could bring his bat back to life, maybe. If not, then he is a solid price to pay to get the rest of the crew. Maybe you eat some cash and ship him somewhere else, who knows

 

Cronenworth would add a legit 2b prospect to AAA, and likely make his debut with either first injury or after the clock allows him to be held for an extra year. He likely becomes your starting 2b by Memorial Day.

 

Quantrill or Luchessi would add depth to your rotation right now. Whomever the sox select would go right into the rotation for opening day and if there are no injuries, likely sends Perez to the pen. That gives you at least a big league replacement level arm when one of your pitchers goes down rather than a Juggs machine in Neck Tat and BJ.

 

It is the kind of deal I would expect Bloom to make. It likely fails the simulator due to Betts worth and Myers lack of worth, but it adds 3 long term assets to the team who are on pre arb or minor league contracts. It also allows for a true succession at the most important position on the diamond, catcher. It may also allow the sox to deal off Vazquez, who if he can replicate his 2019 season, would be worth a metric ton on the trade market.

[moonslav59]

So as of right now, what we are having reported is Betts for Myers, Campusano, Cronenworth, and either Luchessi or Quantrill.

 

The money difference for AAV is $13 mil, but it leaves the sox with a cap hit of $14 mil per season for 2021 and 2022. That is a negative.

 

Campusano gives the sox a true blue chip catching prospect who likely heads to AA. Catcher's progress slower than most, so it is possible that he spends 2020 and 2021 in the minors before coming up in 2022, which is Vazquez's final season. Or, if the sox deal off Vazquez, Campusano could be an option mid season 2021 if he keeps mashing.

 

Myers has always been a guy with big potential. He's got 20+ SB potential and 20+ HR potential. Removing him from SD could help as could some reps at DH when JD is pressed into OF duty. Moving him to Fenway could bring his bat back to life, maybe. If not, then he is a solid price to pay to get the rest of the crew. Maybe you eat some cash and ship him somewhere else, who knows

 

Cronenworth would add a legit 2b prospect to AAA, and likely make his debut with either first injury or after the clock allows him to be held for an extra year. He likely becomes your starting 2b by Memorial Day.

 

Quantrill or Luchessi would add depth to your rotation right now. Whomever the sox select would go right into the rotation for opening day and if there are no injuries, likely sends Perez to the pen. That gives you at least a big league replacement level arm when one of your pitchers goes down rather than a Juggs machine in Neck Tat and BJ.

 

It is the kind of deal I would expect Bloom to make. It likely fails the simulator due to Betts worth and Myers lack of worth, but it adds 3 long term assets to the team who are on pre arb or minor league contracts. It also allows for a true succession at the most important position on the diamond, catcher. It may also allow the sox to deal off Vazquez, who if he can replicate his 2019 season, would be worth a metric ton on the trade market.

 

The money hit for 2021 and 2022 makes this a clear no. Clearing budget space to reset is not the sole purpose here. We need to set ourselves up for 2021 and beyond, budget wise. Betts is not a salary dump player, so why should we treat him as such.

 

The only way we should take Myers is if they take Eovaldi or Price- or at least give us Patino.

 

Campusano is highly rated, but catching prospects are more miss than hit.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

The money hit for 2021 and 2022 makes this a clear no. Clearing budget space to reset is not the sole purpose here. We need to set ourselves up for 2021 and beyond, budget wise. Betts is not a salary dump player, so why should we treat him as such.

 

The only way we should take Myers is if they take Eovaldi or Price- or at least give us Patino.

 

Campusano is highly rated, but catching prospects are more miss than hit.

 

 

Bloom is paying a premium for proximity. Only Campusano hasn't seen AA. Getting a now pitcher and a now 2b softens the blow. I get that this doesn't work on it's face, but on talent it is a fair deal for one season of Betts. The Sox and Pads just need to make the money work. Maybe the Pads pay down some of Myers deal to make the money dollar neutral against the cap. I know Myers is owed a god awful amount the final 3 years, but via cap, he is going to count at $42 mil over 3 seasons. Maybe the Padres throw $15 mil into the till and make it $27 mil to the Padres in 2020 and $27 mil to the Sox from 2020-2022

[moonslav59]

Bloom is paying a premium for proximity. Only Campusano hasn't seen AA. Getting a now pitcher and a now 2b softens the blow. I get that this doesn't work on it's face, but on talent it is a fair deal for one season of Betts. The Sox and Pads just need to make the money work. Maybe the Pads pay down some of Myers deal to make the money dollar neutral against the cap. I know Myers is owed a god awful amount the final 3 years, but via cap, he is going to count at $42 mil over 3 seasons. Maybe the Padres throw $15 mil into the till and make it $27 mil to the Padres in 2020 and $27 mil to the Sox from 2020-2022

 

The package without Myers makes some sense, or if they pay all but $5-7M per year on Myers's contract.

 

No way I trade Betts and add a future (likely) deadwood contract.

 

The other part of the package does not do enough to offset his negative input.

 

The MLB trade simulator says the Padres fall short by 38 by including Luchessi & Quantril- not just one!

 

Basically, SD would have to give over $35M, Myers, Campusano, Luchessi, Quantril & Cronenworth to be accepted on the site. I'm not saying the site is accurate, but the offer you mention is far short of even.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

it is a fairly god awful deal for one season of Betts.

 

There, I placed the adjective after the adverb to make it make sense.

 

Trading a Hall of Famer for someone's negative-WAR big money albatross, without getting back that team's top prospects (yes, plural) is about the worst salary dump proposal I've seen all winter -- and this one wasn't even made up by internet posters! MLB sources -- give me a break, this is yet another instance of instant media blather.

 

This SD deal wouldn't be getting back pennies on the dollar, but instead be giving up dollars for someone to take our dollars. Bloom would wilt before his first season. Betts could do for the Pads what Yellich did for the Brewers... and once he gets a taste of San Diego weather, he ain't coming back to New England.

[notin]

it is a fairly god awful deal for one season of Betts.

 

There, I placed the adjective after the adverb to make it make sense.

 

Trading a Hall of Famer for someone's negative-WAR big money albatross, without getting back that team's top prospects (yes, plural) is about the worst salary dump proposal I've seen all winter -- and this one wasn't even made up by internet posters! MLB sources -- give me a break, this is yet another instance of instant media blather.

 

This SD deal wouldn't be getting back pennies on the dollar, but instead be giving up dollars for someone to take our dollars. Bloom would wilt before his first season. Betts could do for the Pads what Yellich did for the Brewers... and once he gets a taste of San Diego weather, he ain't coming back to New England.

 

I do think the right to pay Betts $27 mill for one year might not be worth what you think it is.

 

That said, if the Sox take Myers’ entire contract, San Diego is essentially getting the second best player is baseball and saving $40 million in the process. If they don’t pay anything for Myers, the Sox should get a better deal here.

 

Last year, the right to pay Paul Goldschmidt $14.5 mill was worth a top 100 prospect, an MLB pitcher who had been a top 100 prospect, and another player. And that was with no salary dump coming back.

 

So even if Campusano and Quantrill are the equals of a Kelly and Weaver, the Sox still need equivalent value to offset Myers’ contract. And Gresham alone doesn’t do it. Patino would be a better fit here.

 

Betts for Myers, Patino, Cronenworth, Quantrill, and Campusano works better for me. Still short on the simulator, but if the Padres included Franchy Cordero (whom I like better than Gresham), I like it a little better still...

[Monster24]

Would be pretty ironic if 2 of the most popular Red Sox employees in recent memory wind up In San Diego(Betts and Orsillo)

[Bellhorn04]

Would be pretty ironic if 2 of the most popular Red Sox employees in recent memory wind up In San Diego(Betts and Orsillo)

 

We have quite a history of trades with San Diego over the last decade: Gonzo, Kimbrel and Pomeranz.

[Elktonnick]

Would be pretty ironic if 2 of the most popular Red Sox employees in recent memory wind up In San Diego(Betts and Orsillo)

 

Things would be so much better if both stayed in Boston. How about trading O'Brien for Orsillo straight up.

[jacksonianmarch]

In a weird way, I actually think Bloom wants Myers. The guy has tools and has a TB connection. But I do agree, eating that whole contract is not in the cards

[notin]

Per MLBTR, the Padres are thinking about including Luis Patino (2.69 ERA in A+ as a 20yo) in a deal for an outfielder - the most recent options being Betts or Startling Marte. To me, including a 20yo with a stellar high A resume and only 7 innings above that level might constitute a "sell high" opportunity for SD. No word on which OF the Padres prefer, but I have to think they would rather have Betts. Marte is cheaper with an additional year of control, but Bloom's willingness to take Myers (or more accurately, a chunk of Myers' contract) has to be a very significant factor here. No way the low budget Pirates touch that deal.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/latest-on-padres-and-mookie-betts.html

[notin]

In a weird way, I actually think Bloom wants Myers. The guy has tools and has a TB connection. But I do agree, eating that whole contract is not in the cards

 

If he wants Myers, he can get him. San Diego would deal him for Pedroia an Rusney Castillo at this point...

[Elktonnick]

If he wants Myers, he can get him. San Diego would deal him for Pedroia an Rusney Castillo at this point...

 

If Boston makes any deal with San Diego, they should insist that the Padres take O"Brien for Orsillo. If Bloom is going to gut the team, Boston fans shouldn't have to endure another year of O'Brien. Bring back Orsillo

[mvp 78]

If Boston makes any deal with San Diego, they should insist that the Padres take O"Brien for Orsillo. If Bloom is going to gut the team, Boston fans shouldn't have to endure another year of O'Brien. Bring back Orsillo

 

They should trade La Jolla for Newton.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They should trade La Jolla for Newton.

 

Anything on the Charles for Mission Beach, even if it's a one-year rental. The North End's untouchable, plus it would put them over the lux tax...

[moonslav59]

We have quite a history of trades with San Diego over the last decade: Gonzo, Kimbrel and Pomeranz.

 

Also...

 

David Wells for George Kottaras (a hot catching prospect- beware Campusano)

 

Dave Roberts for David Pauley & Jay Payton

 

Doug Mirabelli for Mark Loretta

 

Josh Bard & Cla Meredith for Doug Mirabelli

 

There's probably more.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I hated giving away Meredith at 22... then he only kicked around for five more years. Career W-L: 14-14.

 

Wasn't Kottaras kind of Swihart before Swihart?