will Cora get hit with the Hammer??

[a700hitter]

Cora was the architect of the system in Houston. Apparently, Hinch was not in favor of it, but he did nothing to stop it. Cora conceived of and implemented the system. He’s going down at least as hard as Hinch. The Red Sox will fire him.

[Hitch]

Cora is done, he'll be sacked and have a massive ban. The only question is what will happen to the Sox.

[OH FOY]

Sox probably get punished as much as Astros, in fines and Draft Picks, and Cora probably be banished. -Sean McAdam

He cites the Apple Watch + Video Room (if proven), with Cora. 2 time violator, on fines and Draft Picks.

Edited January 14, 2020 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

Next question: will Cora strike back about other teams he thinks were doing the same thing?

[Slasher9]

I agree with Elk on this. Sox will get a more severe punishment as a two time offender. Thanks Pedey!

Cora will get multiyear ban.

$5MM fine for JH

1st & 2nd round picks gone for the next 3 drafts.

the Cliff rebuild just went from 1 season to 4....

thanks WTF!

[Slasher9]

Next question: will Cora strike back about other teams he thinks were doing the same thing?

 

it is human nature.

[Bellhorn04]

I agree with Elk on this. Sox will get a more severe punishment as a two time offender. Thanks Pedey!

 

But it's not the usual protocol to give only a warning on first offense, and then go apeshit if there's a second offense.

[Elktonnick]

But it's not the usual protocol to give only a warning on first offense, and then go apeshit if there's a second offense.

 

What makes you think that MLB would follow the usual protocols. They must prevent this from happening again.

[Bellhorn04]

What makes you think that MLB would follow the usual protocols. They must prevent this from happening again.

 

Agreed, but Manfred also has to look fair.

[OH FOY]

They are not going apeshit, if they lose Draft Picks and a Fine, after a 2nd Offense. That you were specifically warned. Makes sense, just like doing something illegal, like getting caught with a DWI. 1st Offense, Courts usually work with you, as a mistake, 2nd makes it habitual.

[Slasher9]

Agreed, but Manfred also has to look fair.

 

it wont look fair if he gives a 2 time offender the same punishment as a first time offender.

not to me anyways. and i would imagine not to many other baseball fans.

Red Sox deserve a more severe penalty IMO then what was handed to Houston.

[Bellhorn04]

it wont look fair if he gives a 2 time offender the same punishment as a first time offender.

not to me anyways. and i would imagine not to many other baseball fans.

Red Sox deserve a more severe penalty IMO then what was handed to Houston.

 

You have to look at the severity of the offenses too.

[Elktonnick]

Agreed, but Manfred also has to look fair.

 

You are in denial. A ton of bricks is about to fall on Cora and the Red Sox. If I were Henry I would be really worried about what Dombrowski will be telling the Commissioner.

[OH FOY]

Cora's name is everywhere, I mean everywhere. Don't look good for him or the Sox.

[Slasher9]

I kind of now know what it must have felt like to be a MFY fan when the mitchell report dropped.....

f***.

[OH FOY]

Are the Offensive numbers correct now on any Sox Players past 2 years? Wonder if this has a trickle down effect, on Trades.

[moonslav59]

Are the Offensive numbers correct now on any Sox Players past 2 years? Wonder if this has a trickle down effect, on Trades.

 

I live near Houston, and the talk radio is full of people doubting Altuve, Springer and others' recent success. "Did they know the exact pitch that as coming..."

 

One host even said this might cast doubt on HOF induction for some.

[Elktonnick]

I live near Houston, and the talk radio is full of people doubting Altuve, Springer and others' recent success. "Did they know the exact pitch that as coming..."

 

One host even said this might cast doubt on HOF induction for some.

 

The ex Astros GM just placed the blame fully on Cora.

[Monster24]

Not saying punishment isn’t justified or that I agree with cheating but in how many ABs did these guy know what pitch was coming? The Astros was more elaborate but it’s not like Altuve knew every pitch that was coming and anyway a scheme like this wouldn’t always work( what happened when a sign was changed mid at bat.

Love to know some more details

[moonslav59]

The ex Astros GM just placed the blame fully on Cora.

 

I don't doubt he was the mastermind, but I'm thinking just about what happened with the Sox. What he did in Houston will affect his punishment but not the Sox punishment. Only what happened with the Sox will count towards their punishment.

[moonslav59]

Not saying punishment isn’t justified or that I agree with cheating but in how many ABs did these guy know what pitch was coming? The Astros was more elaborate but it’s not like Altuve knew every pitch that was coming and anyway a scheme like this wouldn’t always work( what happened when a sign was changed mid at bat.

Love to know some more details

 

It sounds like the banging of the trash can went on all game long during home games.

[Elktonnick]

I don't doubt he was the mastermind, but I'm thinking just about what happened with the Sox. What he did in Houston will affect his punishment but not the Sox punishment. Only what happened with the Sox will count towards their punishment.

 

I know that but this is Boston's second offense.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I live near Houston, and the talk radio is full of people doubting Altuve, Springer and others' recent success. "Did they know the exact pitch that as coming..."

 

One host even said this might cast doubt on HOF induction for some.

 

Remind them that the '17 Astros won 53 away games vs. 48 at home; .654 winning percentage on the road, compared to .593 in Houston.

 

And that the '18 Red Sox went 7-1 on the road in the postseason, when the MLB took measures to ensure that no teams could use videos unethically.

 

The hypocritical MLB said it's ok to peak at signs with human eyes, just not with electronic eyes.

 

Sign "stealing" has been part of the game forever, but how much it helps can never be proven. I remember in high school with base coaches rooting for batters: first names for fastball, last names for offspeed... some of us didn't want to know; we only had seconds to react either way (especially since the "signs" were often unreliable).

[moonslav59]

I know that but this is Boston's second offense.

 

Yes, I mentioned that in earlier posts. Even a minor second offense could bring stiff punishment to set an example. I get that, but I still think the degree of the second offense (that must be proven) plays into the type of punishment we will receive.

[moonslav59]

Remind them that the '17 Astros won 53 away games vs. 48 at home; .654 winning percentage on the road, compared to .593 in Houston.

 

And that the '18 Red Sox went 7-1 on the road in the postseason, when the MLB took measures to ensure that no teams could use videos unethically.

 

The hypocritical MLB said it's ok to peak at signs with human eyes, just not with electronic eyes.

 

Sign "stealing" has been part of the game forever, but how much it helps can never be proven. I remember in high school with base coaches rooting for batters: first names for fastball, last names for offspeed... some of us didn't want to know; we only had seconds to react either way (especially since the "signs" were often unreliable).

 

The H-A records are not significant. If cheating happened, it will be punished. Besides, nobody knows if these teams figured out ways to cheat electronically on the road, too. It's not like people admit to everything.

[Elktonnick]

Yes, I mentioned that in earlier posts. Even a minor second offense could bring stiff punishment to set an example. I get that, but I still think the degree of the second offense (that must be proven) plays into the type of punishment we will receive.

I think it is a distinction without a difference.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"It's not like people admit to everything."

 

... like all the other players and teams who are not on trial this week.

 

Did Altuve know a slider was coming from Chapman last October? Or did he only know what Sale was throwing when he hit three HRs in Game One of '17 ALDS? Or which year did he do PEDs? Manfred can pretend to the public he's in charge, but he'll never change baseball or stop technology from evolving. Banning all video from dugouts, bullpens and clubhouses might work, but we all know that's not even feasible in 2020...

[notin]

Are the Offensive numbers correct now on any Sox Players past 2 years? Wonder if this has a trickle down effect, on Trades.

 

All the numbers with no one on second are fine, for starters...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

All the numbers with no one on second are fine, for starters...

 

Great line, notin. Those wily Red Sox sure were clever in getting so many runners to stop at second in '18 -- now we know why they led the majors in doubles. Wait a minute, they led in doubles again in '19...

[Slasher9]

All the numbers with no one on second are fine, for starters...

 

only if the initial leaked reports are true that the Red Sox only utilized the electronic sign stealing with a runner on 2b.

what if the batters were wearing vibrating pads under their batting gloves and the clubhouse was sending signals for every pitch via CF camera view of catcher?

WTF has left the door open for every and all cheating speculations to be thrown at the Red Sox and deservedly so.

2018*

Thanks Cora!