Erod and JBJ packaged up and let’s move on .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Erod makes what 9 to 9 5 and now JBJ is what 11 million ? Don’t kill me over this but to me Erod is worth 22 a year and JBJ is worth maybe what 3 ? eat 9million vs 15 for Price and let’s face it Erod is the only pitcher that is truly trade worthy . I’m not saying just a salary dump what say you ? I think at this point I’m exploring this very trade if I’m Bloom ...if an extension can’t be worked by July for Mookie Trade the kid at that point .

[moonslav59]

If we trade ERod, we might as well blow it all up by trading everyone but Devers & Bogey or anyone under team control for 4 or more years.

 

Not happening.

[Swiharts Ghost]

If we trade ERod, we might as well blow it all up by trading everyone but Devers & Bogey or anyone under team control for 4 or more years.

 

Not happening.

 

No we don’t need to blow the team up Moon it’s a reset my friend we do have some pitchers like Ward that are getting fast tracked so losing Erod to reset until ward and players like casas are moved up is ok . Sale may have a great year and let’s build up some value if we can for Price .Mookie if he wants every red cent is gone anyway don’t you think ? how about trading Erod for a CF on the cheap ? I think this sort of trade has to be considered .

[moonslav59]

No we don’t need to blow the team up Moon it’s a reset my friend we do have some pitchers like Ward that are getting fast tracked so losing Erod to reset until ward and players like casas are moved up is ok . Sale may have a great year and let’s build up some value if we can for Price .Mookie if he wants every red cent is gone anyway don’t you think ? how about trading Erod for a CF on the cheap ? I think this sort of trade has to be considered .

 

The blow up would not include Ward.

 

ERod is part of the future. He's the only reliable starter we have. Trading him means we need 5 starters for the future. Ward is one. Maybe Mata another.

 

Trading ERod says screw 2020 and 2021, lets go for 2022. If that's the plan, then follow it all the way by trading anyone with 1-2 years of team control or who is not projected to be helpful in 2022 and beyond. Just don't count me in.

 

ERod is a proven winner. It's basically all he does.

 

The team is 47-14 in his starts the last two years.

Edited January 12, 2020 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Of all the dumb posts I’ve seen on here...

[Swiharts Ghost]

Of all the dumb posts I’ve seen on here...

 

MVP getting criticism is fine from you and anyone here is valued even .I understand the view it’s extreme to bring up such a trade but let’s think it through .Price ,Evoldi ,Sale their value is at what I consider an all time low ...You may disagree? You would be wrong but fine .I look at Erods value at an all time high you may also disagree....you would be in Jax territory on that .Open your mind up think things over and offer another solution don’t be lazy .I like moons criticizing because he brings to light things I haven’t thought of .Erod is a very good pitcher and would I be personally dissatisfied with his leaving ? No not if we reset and pick up players to plug in for the reset .

Edited January 12, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm ok considering it, SGhost, as long as cost-controlled pitching with upside comes back.

 

ERod is good, but I'm not so sure he'll ever stop nibbling and just trust his stuff; he did lead the AL in walks last year. And losing him wouldn't be the end of contending, either... remember, he was the #5 starter in '18, and only started one game in the postseason, working the least amount of innings of the rotation through all three rounds.

[Bellhorn04]

ERod is good, but I'm not so sure he'll ever stop nibbling and just trust his stuff; he did lead the AL in walks last year.

 

He led the AL in walks largely because he pitched 203 innings. His 3.3 walks per 9 innings was exactly major league average.

[moonslav59]

He led the AL in walks largely because he pitched 203 innings. His 3.3 walks per 9 innings was exactly major league average.

 

I'll take the 3.3 BB/9 with the standout .714 OPS against (.664 second half).

 

Opponents have a .246 BA against ERod from 2018-2019.

 

The guy wins.

 

It's like what they used to say about Chris Carter (the MN WR'er), "All he does is catch touchdowns."

 

(I had him on my winning fantasy football team.)

Edited January 12, 2020 by moonslav59

[Swiharts Ghost]

Erod had his best year last year and I’m just looking at avenues to better this team by trading the player with his value high while resetting to a younger cheaper and maybe as talented if not more So Prospect in return .Erod would likely need to go to a win now all in team with a top end talent like May in LA .I have thought about the other scenarios with Price with Evoldi with Betts and this although painful for a year would maybe be the most prudent and streamlined of deals .The prospect of trading a pitcher who has succeeded in the brutal AL east and jettisoned to the NL for an unproven commodity is a leap of faith that may have to happen . Edited January 12, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He led the AL in walks largely because he pitched 203 innings. His 3.3 walks per 9 innings was exactly major league average.

 

How many in the first inning? That can set the tone for the defense, but mostly in the eyes of beholders like me, beholding a mug of ale...

[Swiharts Ghost]

He led the AL in walks largely because he pitched 203 innings. His 3.3 walks per 9 innings was exactly major league average.

 

 

This is very true .Erod has shown balls of Steele in adverse situations he tends to lock in and focus as the game progresses.Erod is a hell of a player and any team needing a top end of the rotation stud will pony up for such a player who went through the meat Grind of the ALEast and shined .

[moonslav59]

How many in the first inning? That can set the tone for the defense, but mostly in the eyes of beholders like me, beholding a mug of ale...

 

BB/PA by 2019 innings:

14/146 1st

11/141 2nd

13/139 3rd

15/147 4th

8/132 5th

14/152 6th & 7th combined

 

Career

47/522 1st

44/526 2nd

37/494 3rd

48/515 4th

32/441 5th

27/334 6th

12/142 7th & 8th

 

This shows what we all know: he has struggled to get out of the 4th inning.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'm ok considering it, SGhost, as long as cost-controlled pitching with upside comes back.

 

ERod is good, but I'm not so sure he'll ever stop nibbling and just trust his stuff; he did lead the AL in walks last year. And losing him wouldn't be the end of contending, either... remember, he was the #5 starter in '18, and only started one game in the postseason, working the least amount of innings of the rotation through all three rounds.

 

Well said and thought out .I agree 100 percent with this post but also see great value at this time for this player .

[Swiharts Ghost]

BB/PA by 2019 innings:

14/146 1st

11/141 2nd

13/139 3rd

15/147 4th

8/132 5th

14/152 6th & 7th combined

 

Career

47/522 1st

44/526 2nd

37/494 3rd

48/515 4th

32/441 5th

27/334 6th

12/142 7th & 8th

 

This shows what we all know: he has struggled to get out of the 4th inning.

 

 

 

Moon that’s eye popping .Hes a stud no doubt .

[moonslav59]

This is very true .Erod has shown balls of Steele in adverse situations he tends to lock in and focus as the game progresses.Erod is a hell of a player and any team needing a top end of the rotation stud will pony up for such a player who went through the meat Grind of the ALEast and shined .

 

The trade simulator does not accept ERod & JBJ f(30.0 value combined) for May (55.4). We'd have to add Chavis and Walden to come close.

 

I think the site undervalues 2 years of ERod.

 

That package, according to the site, might get us ...

 

C Ruiz (34.3)

or

SP Urias (29.1)

or

2B Downs (20.6) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gonsolin or Stripling 18.9 + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gray (17.2) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

Gonsolin (18.9) + Maeda (12.2)

 

I don't think I like any.

[moonslav59]

Well said and thought out .I agree 100 percent with this post but also see great value at this time for this player .

 

Trading a guy after his best year makes sense, in theory. Sell high.

 

I guess one has to think ERod topped out in 2019 to like the trade idea, unless the 2 years of control sways your thinking towards a longer controlled pitcher on a longer term rebuild plan.

[notin]

If the Sox had any glaring needs beyond SP, dealing ERod makes sense. But if they’re basically keeping Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Devers,Bogaerts, Vazquez and Chavis, all trading ERod does is create a void in the rotation. The Sox seem to be collecting 2b candidates and aren’t likely to deal ERod there. And dealing ERod for a pitcher better than ERod isn’t the easiest proposition.

 

So what does trading him accomplish?

[Swiharts Ghost]

The trade simulator does not accept ERod & JBJ f(30.0 value combined) for May (55.4). We'd have to add Chavis and Walden to come close.

 

I think the site undervalues 2 years of ERod.

 

That package, according to the site, might get us ...

 

C Ruiz (34.3)

or

SP Urias (29.1)

or

2B Downs (20.6) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gonsolin or Stripling 18.9 + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gray (17.2) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

Gonsolin (18.9) + Maeda (12.2)

 

I don't think I like any.

Moon not to shift gears but I’ve been thinking about Starling Marte at Fenway .I know Ben Maybe Leary of trading his best player to Boston ? His salary just jumped to 11 million from three in 18 so it may be a non starter anyway and he’s been banged up over parts of his career .Would the Pirates eat say 3 million for a deal with Boston ? s*** why would we do it lol .I just think the player could use a change of scenery and excel here .He would be significantly better offensively.The player is not ancient he’s 30 and should have another 3 to 5 good years in him

Edited January 12, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

If the Sox had any glaring needs beyond SP, dealing ERod makes sense. But if they’re basically keeping Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Devers,Bogaerts, Vazquez and Chavis, all trading ERod does is create a void in the rotation. The Sox seem to be collecting 2b candidates and aren’t likely to deal ERod there. And dealing ERod for a pitcher better than ERod isn’t the easiest proposition.

 

So what does trading him accomplish?

 

I guess the theory would be to trade ERod for a pitcher not as good as him but with more years of control.

 

This lessens our team value for 2020 and 2021 but may improve it for 2022 and beyond- depending on the numbers of years of control.

 

It's not an outlandish idea, but I'm hopeful we can win in 2021.

[Swiharts Ghost]

The trade simulator does not accept ERod & JBJ f(30.0 value combined) for May (55.4). We'd have to add Chavis and Walden to come close.

 

I think the site undervalues 2 years of ERod.

 

That package, according to the site, might get us ...

 

C Ruiz (34.3)

or

SP Urias (29.1)

or

2B Downs (20.6) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gonsolin or Stripling 18.9 + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

SP Gray (17.2) + C Cartaya (12.3)

or

Gonsolin (18.9) + Maeda (12.2)

 

I don't think I like any.

These are Erods prime years that calculator is worthless Moon in that you and I and John Henry understand the peak of ones career is mst valuable .The Dodgers specifically need Erod and I’d if garners a championship they could give two purple shits what they gave up .

[moonslav59]

Moon not to shift gears but I’ve been thinking about Starling Marte at Fenway .I know Ben Maybe Leary of trading his best player to Boston ? His salary just jumped to 11 million from three in 18 so it may be a non starter anyway and he’s been banged up over parts of his career .Would the Pirates eat say 3 million for a deal with Boston ? s*** why would we do it lol .I just think the player could use a change of scenery and excel here .He would be significantly better offensively.The player is not ancient he’s 30 and should have another 3 to 5 good years in him

 

I like the guy, but we need to cut salary and Pitt is not looking to add salary by taking a larger salary back.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I guess the theory would be to trade ERod for a pitcher not as good as him but with more years of control.

 

This lessens our team value for 2020 and 2021 but may improve it for 2022 and beyond- depending on the numbers of years of control.

 

It's not an outlandish idea, but I'm hopeful we can win in 2021.

 

 

I agree about 21 It can be a special year for this team .

[Swiharts Ghost]

I like the guy, but we need to cut salary and Pitt is not looking to add salary by taking a larger salary back.

 

Yeah your right guess I always thought he could be amazing here .

[moonslav59]

Yeah your right guess I always thought he could be amazing here .

 

This whole budget situation has kept us from jumping on some seemingly cheap deals for big named players.

 

We need to get Bloom some room to move by dumping some large salaries.

[Swiharts Ghost]

This whole budget situation has kept us from jumping on some seemingly cheap deals for big named players.

 

We need to get Bloom some room to move by dumping some large salaries.

 

It’s heartbreaking really .Looked into what the Bucks would want and it’s a top rated catcher or catching Prospect .Vaz would be the ask or hope they could be swayed another route .I have been thinking about Johns statement and it’s kinda promising really but Man are we pushing the fans and other teams patience right now .less than a month left for spring training and my heart is losing faith in the direction to date .Moon I think we are a closer and a healthy rotation and a CF power hitter away from a World Series title in 20 .I can see a big bounce back with the rotation I can even see a plug and play CF pick up but WTF are we doing about a closer and this plug and play CF ....? im discouraged big time hence giving up on Erod and that sucks unless by some miracle he provided both ? Lol highly doubtful but I’m realllllly trying .

Edited January 12, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

Kirby Yates and Meyers for Price and filler ?

[notin]

Kirby Yates and Meyers for Price and filler ?

 

Simulator says the closest filler piece is Darwinzon Hernandez, which is a deal I don’t make.

[moonslav59]

Simulator says the closest filler piece is Darwinzon Hernandez, which is a deal I don’t make.

 

Actually, Duran adds a closer value but plays the wrong position for SD.

 

I'd give Price and Chavez for Yates & Myers in a heartbeat. (I'd even give some cash, too.)

 

I'd jump for joy over this accepted deal (minor overpay by BOS):

 

Price, JBJ, Chavis & $6M

 

for

 

Myers, Yates & Margot

[Swiharts Ghost]

Actually, Duran adds a closer value but plays the wrong position for SD.

 

I'd give Price and Chavez for Yates & Myers in a heartbeat. (I'd even give some cash, too.)

 

I'd jump for joy over this accepted deal (minor overpay by BOS):

 

Price, JBJ, Chavis & $6M

 

for

 

Myers, Yates & Margot

 

Ok I’m on board 100 percent and it actually makes a lot of sense for the Padres in my opinion bi

Oath these teams benefit please send this round lol Moon we have something here .Send to spear asap .I would be excited for both teams .

Edited January 12, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost