2020 HOF Vote Tracker

[Bellhorn04]

But the logic behind that is kind of dumb. The guys who didn't vote for Babe or Griffey or Nolan were obviously idiots. So because they were idiots, now current voters have to vote in the same manner? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Agreed.

[mvp 78]

I don't care about the % nonsense. If you're in, you're in. There are just some really old BBWA guys with archaic ideas of what the HOF should be. Baseball would be better off if they modernized, dropped the Abner Doubleday lie and got rid of all the stupid unwritten rules that handcuff the experience.

[mvp 78]

Annual reminder for everyone to get Jay Jaffee's "Cooperstown Casebook" that came out in 2017. It's a great read and goes into the history of how some shittier players got in the HOF and what guys have been inexplicably left out.

[Carpin]

Highest % Vote in History:

 

100 Mo

99.7 Jete

99.3 Griffey

98.8 Seaver

98.8 Ryan

98.5 Ripken

98.2 Cobb

98.2 Brett

97.8 Aaron

97.6 Gwynn

97.3 Randy Johnson

97.2 G Maddux

97.2 C Jones

96.5 Schmidt

96.4 Bench

95.6 Carlton

95.1 Ruth

95.1 Wagner

94.8 R Henderson

94.7 Mays

94.6 Yaz

94.0 Appling

93.8 Feller

93.6 R Jackson

93.4 Williams

93.2 Musial

92.9 Guerrero

92.7 Clemente

92.6 Palmer

92.0 B Robinson

91.9 Glavine

91.9 Boggs

91.7 O Smith

91.1 Pedro

90.7 Mathewson

90.5 Carew

90.0 R Alomar

 

 

 

 

 

Out of the list, the ones that deserved the 100% IMO are the following:

 

100 Mo

99.3 Griffey

98.8 Seaver

98.8 Ryan

98.5 Ripken

98.2 Cobb

97.8 Aaron

97.6 Gwynn

97.2 G Maddux

95.6 Carlton

95.1 Ruth

94.7 Mays

93.4 Williams

93.2 Musial

92.7 Clemente

92.0 B Robinson

[mvp 78]

Out of the list, the ones that deserved the 100% IMO are the following:

 

100 Mo

99.3 Griffey

98.8 Seaver

98.8 Ryan

98.5 Ripken

98.2 Cobb

97.8 Aaron

97.6 Gwynn

97.2 G Maddux

95.6 Carlton

95.1 Ruth

94.7 Mays

93.4 Williams

93.2 Musial

92.7 Clemente

92.0 B Robinson

 

No love for Mathewson or Wagner?

[Carpin]

BTW, I have no idea why Ted Williams has a number that low, I know that he was known for some jerky attitude towards the press, but that's no reason to not vote for him.

[Carpin]

I like them, but they are a notch bellow the ones on the list, I almost include them, specially Wagner, at the end I just left them out.

[Slasher9]

But the logic behind that is kind of dumb. The guys who didn't vote for Babe or Griffey or Nolan were obviously idiots. So because they were idiots, now current voters have to vote in the same manner? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

i dont disagree with you. but i still feel that way.

[mvp 78]

BTW, I have no idea why Ted Williams has a number that low, I know that he was known for some jerky attitude towards the press, but that's no reason to not vote for him.

 

that's exactly why he didn't get votes.

[Jasonbay44]

It happens in every sport. If the media didn’t like a guy for whatever reason they’ll try holding him out. Terrell Owens I think got denied his first two years despite easily having accolades to be first ballot.

[Jasonbay44]

But the logic behind that is kind of dumb. The guys who didn't vote for Babe or Griffey or Nolan were obviously idiots. So because they were idiots, now current voters have to vote in the same manner? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Yeah, it’s really really bad logic. “Well some idiot back in the day didn’t vote for Ted Williams, so since that happened, when Albert Pujols is eligible, I’m gonna not vote for him!”

[moonslav59]

Yeah, it’s really really bad logic. “Well some idiot back in the day didn’t vote for Ted Williams, so since that happened, when Albert Pujols is eligible, I’m gonna not vote for him!”

 

It's more about the whole "make em wait a few ballots" that has become tradition.

[moonslav59]

BTW, I have no idea why Ted Williams has a number that low, I know that he was known for some jerky attitude towards the press, but that's no reason to not vote for him.

 

It's an obvious example of just how personalities matter.

 

It's one reason I usually stay away from these conversations, especially the GG award (Palmeiro won 1B while a DH) and MVP (no Pedro on some ballots).

[Jasonbay44]

It's more about the whole "make em wait a few ballots" that has become tradition.

 

Which is dumb. If a player retirees with a hall of fame resume, he should be inducted as soon as eligible. Just because some idiots made some of the legends wait extra years for no logical reason, it doesn’t mean it’s a tradition that should continue.

[Jasonbay44]

Clemens

Bonds

Schill (maybe on last ballot, but I'm leaning no.)

Rolen (not sure)

Wagner (nope)

Helton (nope)

Manny (YES!)

Andruw Jones (maybe)

2021

Buehrle (Not likely, but maybe last ballot)

2022

ARod (make him wait)

Ortiz (YES)

Teixeira (Nope)

2024

Beltre Maybe)

 

How is Beltré a maybe? He has 3rd highest WAR for 3B in MLB history, has 3000 hits, almost 500 homers and is all time leader for 3B in hits, RBI, runs scored and was one of best fielders at his position.

[mvp 78]

@GlobeChadFinn

Brad Penny got a vote, but Josh Beckett didn't. Huh.

[mvp 78]

How is Beltré a maybe? He has 3rd highest WAR for 3B in MLB history, has 3000 hits, almost 500 homers and is all time leader for 3B in hits, RBI, runs scored and was one of best fielders at his position.

 

Beltre should be 100%

[moonslav59]

How is Beltré a maybe? He has 3rd highest WAR for 3B in MLB history, has 3000 hits, almost 500 homers and is all time leader for 3B in hits, RBI, runs scored and was one of best fielders at his position.

 

I guess I didn't put much thought into it.

 

He should be a yes, agreed.

[Jasonbay44]

Beltre should be 100%

 

I completely agree. He had one of the most underrated careers of the 2000s/2010s.

 

Also, the guy who gave Brady Penny a vote should be made public

[moonslav59]

Which is dumb. If a player retirees with a hall of fame resume, he should be inducted as soon as eligible. Just because some idiots made some of the legends wait extra years for no logical reason, it doesn’t mean it’s a tradition that should continue.

 

I'm not saying I like the tradition, but once so many players had to wait, it almost seems like it makes Jeter look better than those who did wait. I know it's dumb, but it's the way it is.

 

[Jasonbay44]

I'm not saying I like the tradition, but once so many players had to wait, it almost seems like it makes Jeter look better than those who did wait. I know it's dumb, but it's the way it is.

 

I don’t think it makes Jeter look better. I think it’s progress in right direction.. but at same time they’re also keeping Bonds out. So it’s still an issue

[moonslav59]

I don’t think it makes Jeter look better. I think it’s progress in right direction.. but at same time they’re also keeping Bonds out. So it’s still an issue

 

Yes.

 

The Bonds and Clemens issue is different, IMO. Making cheaters wait may not be a bad idea.

[mvp 78]

@jay_jaffe

Jeter's election and vote share is partly a product of time, place and evolution of voting trends, but the dude is number 6 all-time in hits and was a key player in 5 championships. Stop overthinking this; he'd have been 1st ballot in any year of the modern voting era (1966-on)

[notin]

I'm not saying I like the tradition, but once so many players had to wait, it almost seems like it makes Jeter look better than those who did wait. I know it's dumb, but it's the way it is.

 

 

Not really.

 

It does on the day they get inducted, but that's about it. Do you still really think Paul Molitor as being that much better than Craig Biggio?

[mvp 78]

Not really.

 

It does on the day they get inducted, but that's about it. Do you still really think Paul Molitor as being that much better than Craig Biggio?

 

Offensively? Sure!

 

I have to be honest though, Biggio's peak in 95-98 were part of a time period where I paid very little attention to anything that wasn't directly related to the Red Sox and had a big blind spot for the NL.

[notin]

Offensively? Sure!

 

I have to be honest though, Biggio's peak in 95-98 were part of a time period where I paid very little attention to anything that wasn't directly related to the Red Sox and had a big blind spot for the NL.

 

Molitor played 21 years with an OPS+ of 122. Biggio played 20 years with an OPS+ of 112. Molitor was better, but both are HOF second basemen who played multiple positions, got 3,000 hits, and only one was a first ballot HOF.

[mvp 78]

Molitor played 21 years with an OPS+ of 122. Biggio played 20 years with an OPS+ of 112. Molitor was better, but both are HOF second basemen who played multiple positions, got 3,000 hits, and only one was a first ballot HOF.

 

Everyone who has been elected to the HOF should have been elected on the 1st try. Except for Jack Morris. He doesn't deserve to be in.

[notin]

Everyone who has been elected to the HOF should have been elected on the 1st try. Except for Jack Morris. He doesn't deserve to be in.

 

Harold Baines?

[Slasher9]

Derek Jeter will be the 2nd known PeD user in the HoF.

Rickey says "Rickey was the first".

[mvp 78]

Harold Baines?

 

The veterans committees are a racket. They are why all those mediocre guys from the 40's are in there. All those guys need to be in a separate wing. The only guys who have been elected that way who are deserving are the Negro Leagues guys.