2020 HOF Vote Tracker

[DerekJackson]

It's the 20 years not the .300 that is amazing.

 

Besides, using BA is SOooooo 70's.

 

His .817 OPS is not amazing.

 

So you don't think it's very tough to hit over .300 lifetime with a 20yr career?

 

I'd be curious to see how many players have done that in the history of the game.

Edited February 7, 2020 by DerekJackson

[moonslav59]

So you don't think it's very tough to hit over .300 lifetime with a 20yr career?

 

I'd be curious to see how many players have done that in the history of the game.

 

Yes, it's very tough, but I'm not big on longevity stats like 3,000 hits, and .300 alone is not enough to get to the HOF.

 

The 350 SBs helps him be close.

 

His selfishness hurt.

[DerekJackson]

Yes, it's very tough, but I'm not big on longevity stats like 3,000 hits, and .300 alone is not enough to get to the HOF.

 

The 350 SBs helps him be close.

 

His selfishness hurt.

 

Nobody said .300 alone should.

 

But as I said, when you are the only player in the history of the game to hit .300 with 3000+ hits, 250+ HR's and 300+ steals that's pretty amazing considering how many players have played the game.

[moonslav59]

Nobody said .300 alone should.

 

But as I said, when you are the only player in the history of the game to hit .300 with 3000+ hits, 250+ HR's and 300+ steals that's pretty amazing considering how many players have played the game.

 

Yes, but it's a result of 20 years playing for most of those stats.

 

Jeter is not known for HRs, yet you list HRs as a reason he should make it.

 

Look, certainly .300 over 20 years is a point in favor of the HOF. 3,000 hits over 20 years is just repeating the .300 BA stat. It's not really anything new, except for the longevity factor. 350 SBs and 250 Hrs over 20 years are not, IMO. Sorry.

 

It's not that I'm saying longevity has no value: it does, but I just don't weigh it as heavily as most do. I realize I'm in a minority, but I think I've been consistent over the year.

 

He stayed healthy. Is there an award for that? I'm all for it.

[DerekJackson]

Yes, but it's a result of 20 years playing for most of those stats.

 

Jeter is not known for HRs, yet you list HRs as a reason he should make it.

 

Look, certainly .300 over 20 years is a point in favor of the HOF. 3,000 hits over 20 years is just repeating the .300 BA stat. It's not really anything new, except for the longevity factor. 350 SBs and 250 Hrs over 20 years are not, IMO. Sorry.

 

It's not that I'm saying longevity has no value: it does, but I just don't weigh it as heavily as most do. I realize I'm in a minority, but I think I've been consistent over the year.

 

He stayed healthy. Is there an award for that? I'm all for it.

 

So if it's no big deal, why has there only been 1 player to accomplish it?

[moonslav59]

So if it's no big deal, why has there only been 1 player to accomplish it?

 

So, that's the only criteria?

 

Hand select a few categories, in which all but BA are based on longevity, and ignore all the rest.

 

What if he made 200 errors a year?

 

What if he missed 80 plays a year that plus defenders would make?

 

What if he played 2B or 3B like he should have?

 

His .817 career OPS ties him with Brian Daubauch for 380th out of over 3600 qualified players in MLB history. It's not even top 10%.

 

His .310 BA ties at #95. That's about top 1/35th. Impressive.

 

His ISO of .130 makes it a joke to make 250+ HRs part of a qualifier criteria. I think .130 is about 1500th out of 3600+ players- barely top 50%.

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by moonslav59