JBJ DFA candidate ?

[Swiharts Ghost]

hope he has some interest but it’s looking like he’s an afterthought now .Doesnt he have options ? Would a year in Pawtucket help him garner more value ? Edited December 23, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

hope he has some interest but it’s looking like he’s an afterthought now .

The Red Sox could be on the verge of a meaningful trade of Jackie Bradley Jr.

 

Or not.

 

But it's only December 23.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox could be on the verge of a meaningful trade of Jackie Bradley Jr.

 

Or not.

 

But it's only December 23.

Just you opinion or have you seen a reported rumor?

[OH FOY]

Whether we want to admit it or not. Outside of Boston, this guy isn't the hottest name in any Off-Season. You don't see any team saying we absolutely got to have this guy. He's a Game changer. Edited December 23, 2019 by OH FOY!

[harmony]

Just you opinion or have you seen a reported rumor?

Mere speculation.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Whether we want to admit it or not. Outside of Boston, this guy isn't the hottest name in any Off-Season. You don't see any team saying we absolutely got to have this guy. He's a Game changer.

 

Oh Foy you are right .As painful as it is to admit it .JBJ is worth far more to the Redsox than he is as a late game replacement for any other .I think getting him through waivers then to pawtucket.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Mere speculation.

 

At this point speculation is newsworthy for JBJ .I literally haven’t heard anything yet Harmony .

[Jasonbay44]

Oh Foy you are right .As painful as it is to admit it .JBJ is worth far more to the Redsox than he is as a late game replacement for any other .I think getting him through waivers then to pawtucket.

 

There is no way JBJ makes it through waivers, or would accept a demotion to Pawtucket.

[moonslav59]

1 year left at $10-11.5M (last arb) is not worth much to the Sox as it might be to a top contender without luxury tax issues.

 

I'm thinking he gets traded for a low cost but decent RP'er.

[oldtimer]

1 year left at $10-11.5M (last arb) is not worth much to the Sox as it might be to a top contender without luxury tax issues.

 

I'm thinking he gets traded for a low cost but decent RP'er.

 

I'd take that deal if we can shed $10 Mil AAV

[moonslav59]

I'd take that deal if we can shed $10 Mil AAV

 

If we can't deal him, we would have DFA'd him.

 

I have to think Bloom has someone(s) interested.

 

The trade value site has JBJ worth +$2, so he's not a negative value according to them.

[S5Dewey]

1 year left at $10-11.5M (last arb) is not worth much to the Sox as it might be to a top contender without luxury tax issues.

 

I'm thinking he gets traded for a low cost but decent RP'er.

 

I still think JBJ's future in Boston - or lack of it - is dependent on whether the FO can peddle Mookie at a price they can live with. CF & RF in Fenway aren't places you want two players who aren't familiar with the real estate at the same time.

[moonslav59]

I still think JBJ's future in Boston - or lack of it - is dependent on whether the FO can peddle Mookie at a price they can live with. CF & RF in Fenway aren't places you want two players who aren't familiar with the real estate at the same time.

 

If we deal Betts, then yes, we can keep JBJ, but with just 1 year of team control left and a 2020 without Betts, I don't see why we should keep him, unless we extend him to more than 1 year at less than $11M a year.

 

Ilove JBJ, and would love to keep him, but with budget issues, I think we can add a cheaper great defensive CF'er and use the savings to plug holes in our staff, 1B, 2B, C and OF dept slots.

[OH FOY]

Reading Sean McAdam's Q+A, he thinks the Sox will have to eat some of JBJ's money to move him.

[Bellhorn04]

Reading Sean McAdam's Q+A, he thinks the Sox will have to eat some of JBJ's money to move him.

 

And yet the trade simulator has him at +2 million.

[moonslav59]

And yet the trade simulator has him at +2 million.

 

I could see us dealing him for a RP'er that may make $3-5M, but who is not overpaid.

[Bellhorn04]

I could see us dealing him for a RP'er that may make $3-5M, but who is not overpaid.

 

Under the circumstances that seems fine, I guess.

[OH FOY]

And yet the trade simulator has him at +2 million.

 

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

[Bellhorn04]

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

 

I'm just assuming the Front Office knew what they were doing tendering him a contract.

 

They could always wait for another team to really need a decent center fielder.

[moonslav59]

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

 

There is still plenty of time.

 

There could be several reasons why it hasn't happened.

 

1) A team or two might be waiting for something else to happen first before deciding to trade for JBJ.

2) Maybe Bloom has an offer or two but is trying to get more.

3) Maybe Bloom will pay some of JBJ's contract to get a player or prospect worth more than the difference.

4) Maybe we trade Betts and keep JBJ.

 

Maybe he messed up.

[notin]

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

 

But the teams who need a CF, like the Mets, aren’t competing with Boston for Bradley; they’re competing with other teams who need a CF, like Arizona...

[mvp 78]

Why not non tender if you want to DFA? Makes no sense.

[mvp 78]

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

 

Why would that affect the trade at all?

[harmony]

Why hasn't he moved then. Team don't use that crap. Every GM in baseball knows they are trying to move money.

Teams probably use similar criteria -- projected production, salary commitment and years of team control -- but may assign different values.

 

Or not.

 

Each team's contention status and respective needs likely influence the calculation as well.

[OH FOY]

Pretty easy to figure out. If you have a brain. You still need Scouts, to actually see the Ballplayer. Edited December 25, 2019 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Why would that affect the trade at all?

 

You don't think that effects his Trade value? It could go other way too, but if teams know your situation, they will try to get best deal for their team. I would. Otherwise I see, if such a good deal, and really not that much money, and he will help a team, I would figure he would be easy to move, and should have by now.

Rentals are tough to move, if your a 1 Dimensional Rental probably tougher.

 

Merry Christmas!!!

Edited December 25, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

You don't think that effects his Trade value? It could go other way too, but if teams know your situation, they will try to get best deal for their team. I would.

 

Other teams know the Red Sox are looking to cut payroll. But they also know the Red Sox aren't looking to do them a favor. So they have to make a fair offer or it's no deal. Simple as that.

[Bellhorn04]

Chaim Bloom didn't get to where he is by being less smart about baseball dealings than us.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Chaim Bloom didn't get to where he is by being less smart about baseball dealings than us.

 

Speaking of being smart, I'm still wondering why a rich company like the Red Sox, run by intelligent people, would deliberately tell its customer base (through the media) that its goal is to scale back payroll...

 

Sure, such words can be used to possibly help justify making -- and perhaps temper the shock of -- some unpopular moves. But that's not going to generate ticket sales, especially with those announced price increases. Maybe to test fan reaction? There's going to be uproar and residual effects no matter what happens when...

 

As far as making certain players available in the MLB market, I don't agree that any appearance of "desperation" really exists or affects deals any more; the minute two teams begin to discuss players in trade talks, there are immediately so many different outlets with sources reporting it to the world now. The word always gets out, and I'm sure most teams want such leaks to flow, so they can field all potential offers before making what they feel are the best decisions.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of being smart, I'm still wondering why a rich company like the Red Sox, run by intelligent people, would deliberately tell its customer base (through the media) that its goal is to scale back payroll...

 

Sure, such words can be used to possibly help justify making -- and perhaps temper the shock of -- some unpopular moves. But that's not going to generate ticket sales, especially with those announced price increases. Maybe to test fan reaction? There's going to be uproar and residual effects no matter what happens when...

 

As far as making certain players available in the MLB market, I don't agree that any appearance of "desperation" really exists or affects deals any more; the minute two teams begin to discuss players in trade talks, there are immediately so many different outlets with sources reporting it to the world now. The word always gets out, and I'm sure most teams want such leaks to flow, so they can field all potential offers before making what they feel are the best decisions.

 

How would fans and season ticket holders feel had we announced we were going all out to win in 2020, then we trade away Betts , JBJ and Price?

 

I'm not sure it gets any harder to dump salary by announcing that intention beforehand. We needed teams to know guys like Price, Eovaldi, JBJ and even Betts or JD are available at a reasonable cost. We need teams to have them on their radar, even if plan B, C, D or lower.

 

Now that most of the best FAs are signed, teams will come looking with more intent and seriousness. That's my opinion, anyways.

 

I expect us to deal Price and JBJ before it gets too close to ST'ing. I'm not sure about Betts. If our return from Price and JBJ is more about 2021 and beyond than 2020, I'm thinking we ought to just decide it's 2021 over 2020 and do some sort of fire sale, but I suppose that can wait until July to decide on that whilekeeping fans somewhat happy.