Marco Hernandez non-tendered

[notin]

The man many (including Soxprospects.com) penciled in as the starting 2b.

 

Also, Josh Osich was non-tendered. We hardly knew ya...

Edited December 3, 2019 by notin

[moonslav59]

I'm verklempt.

[notin]

Tzu-Wei Lin - the job is yours

[moonslav59]

Tzu-Wei Lin - the job is yours

 

I think we acquire someone or Chavis gets first look at 2B.

[notin]

I think we acquire someone or Chavis gets first look at 2B.

 

Maybe I meant the utility infielder job.

 

Travis Shaw also got non-tendered. Reunion?

[moonslav59]

Maybe I meant the utility infielder job.

 

Travis Shaw also got non-tendered. Reunion?

 

I think we are hoping nobody claims Marco and we send him to AAA as depth.

 

We have too many Travis Shaw types already.

[harmony]

I think we are hoping nobody claims Marco and we send him to AAA as depth.

 

We have too many Travis Shaw types already.

Marco Hernandez was not waived; he was non-tendered, making him a free agent immediately without going through the waiver process.

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-tendered

 

The Red Sox -- or any team -- could sign Hernandez to a minor-league (or MLB) contract.

[Larry Cook]

If not for all the injuries. Who knows what could have been.

[notin]

I think we are hoping nobody claims Marco and we send him to AAA as depth.

 

We have too many Travis Shaw types already.

 

Josh Ockimey is NOT a “Travis Shaw type”...

[moonslav59]

Marco Hernandez was not waived; he was non-tendered, making him a free agent immediately without going through the waiver process.

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-tendered

 

The Red Sox -- or any team -- could sign Hernandez to a minor-league (or MLB) contract.

 

True.

[moonslav59]

If not for all the injuries. Who knows what could have been.

 

The weird thing is, we kept a hold of him through all those injuries, and when he finally got healthy, we non tendered him.

[Bellhorn04]

The weird thing is, we kept a hold of him through all those injuries, and when he finally got healthy, we non tendered him.

 

We're under new management.

[Tedballgame]

I know they won't do it because of his past, but the guy out there with the most talent who can play 2B, SS and 3B is Addison Russell. He is only 25 and can be an all star. Someone is going to give him a chance. They should also pursue Blake Treinen and see if they can get him right.

[moonslav59]

I know they won't do it because of his past, but the guy out there with the most talent who can play 2B, SS and 3B is Addison Russell. He is only 25 and can be an all star. Someone is going to give him a chance. They should also pursue Blake Treinen and see if they can get him right.

 

We'd likely have to free up some salary to sign the better players, and with so many open roster spots, I think it will happen.

[notin]

I know they won't do it because of his past, but the guy out there with the most talent who can play 2B, SS and 3B is Addison Russell. He is only 25 and can be an all star. Someone is going to give him a chance. They should also pursue Blake Treinen and see if they can get him right.

 

 

Yollmer Sanchez is Addison Russell without the offensive potential and domestic abuse allegations.

 

I don’t like the idea of signing Russell, but I’m not against second chances. But it’s worth noting, he was truly horrible to the mother of his child...

[Bellhorn04]

Yollmer Sanchez is Addison Russell without the offensive potential and domestic abuse allegations.

 

I don’t like the idea of signing Russell, but I’m not against second chances. But it’s worth noting, he was truly horrible to the mother of his child...

 

It certainly wouldn't go over well with a lot of fans. You've seen some of the opinions here about Wright, and the allegations against Russell were far more severe.

 

Someone will give him a job, no doubt. Hopefully it isn't us. We've got enough issues without that kind of baggage.

[mvp 78]

Yollmer Sanchez is Addison Russell without the offensive potential and domestic abuse allegations.

 

I don’t like the idea of signing Russell, but I’m not against second chances. But it’s worth noting, he was truly horrible to the mother of his child...

 

I've mentioned previously that Yolmer was a good option. He's cheap and really strong defensively.

[notin]

It certainly wouldn't go over well with a lot of fans. You've seen some of the opinions here about Wright, and the allegations against Russell were far more severe.

 

Someone will give him a job, no doubt. Hopefully it isn't us. We've got enough issues without that kind of baggage.

 

I wouldn’t really consider him anyway. He’ll likely prioritize playing shortstop in any offer he receives, possibly to the point of accepting an offer from the Yomiuri Giants if they’re the only one with the opportunity to start at shortstop. Despite his defensive superiority to Bogaerts, I wouldn’t move X to accommodate him...

[notin]

I've mentioned previously that Yolmer was a good option. He's cheap and really strong defensively.

 

I like Sanchez or Ryosuke Kikuchi, who is reportedly a human defensive highlight reel, for that position. I doubt the Sox go for Kikuchi, however. Neither is much with the bat, but if the Sox keep Betts and Martinez, it won't matter...

[mvp 78]

If they keep JBJ, they'd be strong up the middle with Vaz/Sanchez/JBJ. Maybe they could then go weaker at other positions (JD instead of Mookie in RF, whoever at 1b)? The Rays always picked up a retread or two. We'll see if Bloom follows that formula.

[notin]

If they keep JBJ, they'd be strong up the middle with Vaz/Sanchez/JBJ. Maybe they could then go weaker at other positions (JD instead of Mookie in RF, whoever at 1b)? The Rays always picked up a retread or two. We'll see if Bloom follows that formula.

 

I stand by my observation that if they keep Betts, they don't need a CF as capable as JBJ. Really his defensive skillset has become a luxury, and luxury is what the tax they want to avoid is all about. The Sox could get a much cheaper CF like Lagares or Broxton or Marisnick who provides sufficient defense in CF for much less money and can bat 8th or 9th, and still be strong up the middle.

 

The real problem here is, why would any team trade for JBJ when they can go sign Lagares or Broxton for a lot less and keep their players to boot. And keeping those players (aka "controllable assets") is a big deal. It's one of the reasons some teams are lining up to pay $100 mill to Zack Wheeler rather than giving up a player or two so they can pay $51mill to Nathan Eovaldi, despite them both being essentially the same pitcher, right down to the lengthy and disquieting injury history...

[mvp 78]

I haven't spent enough time perusing the FA market at this point to comment if it's better to grab a fill in for CF or a bopper to put in LF/DH.

[moonslav59]

I stand by my observation that if they keep Betts, they don't need a CF as capable as JBJ. Really his defensive skillset has become a luxury, and luxury is what the tax they want to avoid is all about. The Sox could get a much cheaper CF like Lagares or Broxton or Marisnick who provides sufficient defense in CF for much less money and can bat 8th or 9th, and still be strong up the middle.

 

The real problem here is, why would any team trade for JBJ when they can go sign Lagares or Broxton for a lot less and keep their players to boot. And keeping those players (aka "controllable assets") is a big deal. It's one of the reasons some teams are lining up to pay $100 mill to Zack Wheeler rather than giving up a player or two so they can pay $51mill to Nathan Eovaldi, despite them both being essentially the same pitcher, right down to the lengthy and disquieting injury history...

 

I think JBJ's offense has been undervalued by Sox fans.

 

The league average CF OPS has been .721 and .746 the last 2 years. JBJ is right around those numbers.

 

16 teams have a CF OPS of below .728 from 2018-2019.

 

Of the 37 CF'er with 700 or more PAs since 2018, JBJ's .728 OPS ranks 24th. That's not great, but it's not as bad as many seem to think it has been.

 

He also runs the bases very well along with his great D.

[mvp 78]

Well, his great D did take a dip last year and his BsR did too. I think saying "he's league average" doesn't portray his actual bat value when his OPS isn't in the top 30 for CFers with above 200 PA's.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, his great D did take a dip last year and his BsR did too. I think saying "he's league average" doesn't portray his actual bat value when his OPS isn't in the top 30 for CFers with above 200 PA's.

 

The D dip could have been one of those defensive rating anomalies even the statmeisters warn us about...

[OH FOY]

This makes no sense. Hernandez is not bad at all, and this is Chump Change.

[notin]

The D dip could have been one of those defensive rating anomalies even the statmeisters warn us about...

 

Defensive metrics measure accomplishments, not ability, despite what many fans think.

 

Bradley was among the top in innings for CF, but his chances, putouts, etc. were no commensurate with his innings played. Basically, he saw fewer opportunities per inning than a lot of other CF. So the rest got credit for making plays on opportunities while Bradley did not, and therefore his overall metrics suffered.

 

His metrics were not a knock on his ability to play defense...

[notin]

This makes no sense. Hernandez is not bad at all, and this is Chump Change.

 

Not sure what you're responding to here...

[OH FOY]

MH not being tendered. Stuck with him through the injuries, and now letting him walk. He seemed good every time that I saw him play. Somebody will sign him.

Probably lose Holt, and letting MH walk doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure what you're responding to here...

 

He's responding to the original post in the thread, damn him.