Bloom move your asssssss

[moonslav59]

A

 

s*** that doesn’t help ...guy rakes everywhere .I don’t know Moon .I loved me some Nomar too .I have a feeling Mookie hits around 400 HR bats around 285 and is a absolute stud defensively the next 10years then tails off abut he’s.not a machine .I think that Ballplayer is likely worth 350 million over 10 .I just don’t think he’s the best player in the game hell most think Lindor and Judge maybe better ? There’s a kid on The Nationals and Braves that may beat that door down soon also .Moon Mookie is a 350 million dollar ball player and top 5 now but 2 years from now ? I don’t know .....Stand firm at 350 if he balks trade him rebuild the farm .Dodgers ,Braves ,Padres are on the clock for a reason .Either we low balled him and have no intention of an extension or we are ironing out small details of a trade to be announced .Mookie answer needs to be completed before Pitchers and Catchers .

 

I'm not sure, if he's the best (behind Trout) or not, but I'd make him a serious large & long contract. If he says no, then we tried.

 

Trading him first hedges the bet.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's harder to rebuild the farm system, when you pick later than 20th for several years in a row plus have limited IFA bonus pool money due to spending large year after year. We even had our pick lowered 10 slots for going over $40M one year.

 

The days are gone where we got several comp picks nearly every year and we able to draft studs in the late first round due to signability issues.

 

Another rule change that affected Boston after the Epstein days (but is better for MLB overall) prevents rich teams from paying overslot money for lower round picks that poor clubs would leave undrafted because they couldn't afford to them.

 

I didn't have a problem with Dombro trading prospects to make the Red Sox better -- this is one function of the farm we miss most right now, after all... since Boston hardly ever develops star-level pitchers. And the position players he dealt were mostly redundant -- Margot in the OF, Dubon at SS, Shaw at 3B -- which is practical, dealing from depth.

 

DD does deserve credit for being the one Bosox GM of the century to trade for a name closer (Kimbrel) who actually performed like one; the Thornburg and Smith trades backfired, but so did other guys' deals for Gagne, Bailey, Melancon, Hanrahan, etc. DD seldom made a trade that didn't work out, as far as reaping some benefits -- Eovaldi, Pearce, Nunez, Pomeranz, Reed, Ziegler, even Kinsler. And he always kept plugging away, despite the heat he caught -- how's Swihart for Taylor look now?

 

From everything I've read from pro writers close to the scene, what got Dombro fired wasn't the big money contracts (that ownership always signed off on), but the way he alienated everyone else in the front office. But I'm not naive enough to think those disagreements didn't have a lot to do with stripping the farm.

[moonslav59]

Another rule change that affected Boston after the Epstein days (but is better for MLB overall) prevents rich teams from paying overslot money for lower round picks that poor clubs would leave undrafted because they couldn't afford to them.

 

 

That's basically what I just said.

[moonslav59]

I didn't have a problem with Dombro trading prospects to make the Red Sox better -- this is one function of the farm we miss most right now, after all... since Boston hardly ever develops star-level pitchers. And the position players he dealt were mostly redundant -- Margot in the OF, Dubon at SS, Shaw at 3B -- which is practical, dealing from depth.

 

Most trades worked, but we sure could have used Shaw at 1B/2B, Dubon at 2B and Margot in CF (trading JBJ).

 

Pom did well for us half the time, but didn't really help us win a ring. Kimbrel did great for us until the 2019 playoffs, but at least he didn't blow a save.

 

The Thornburg trade sucked.

 

I wish we had the Buttrey trade back.

 

I loved the Sale trade then and still do.

 

The trades worked, but we're paying for them, now.

[moonslav59]

... how's Swihart for Taylor look now?

 

It would be a great trade, if it happened.

 

We got Marcus Wilson for Swihart.

[a700hitter]

It would be a great trade, if it happened.

 

We got Marcus Wilson for Swihart.

The organization wasted too much time on Swihart.

[moonslav59]

From everything I've read from pro writers close to the scene, what got Dombro fired wasn't the big money contracts (that ownership always signed off on), but the way he alienated everyone else in the front office. But I'm not naive enough to think those disagreements didn't have a lot to do with stripping the farm.

 

If the signings worked and we competed last year, DD would probably still be here.

 

He was let go, because everything went wrong, and he was a dick to others in management.

[moonslav59]

The organization wasted too much time on Swihart.

 

I'm glad you see it that way. We gave this guy every chance anyone could ever hope for, and it pains me every time someone says we never gave him a real chance.

[notin]

A

 

s*** that doesn’t help ...guy rakes everywhere .I don’t know Moon .I loved me some Nomar too .I have a feeling Mookie hits around 400 HR bats around 285 and is a absolute stud defensively the next 10years then tails off abut he’s.not a machine .I think that Ballplayer is likely worth 350 million over 10 .I just don’t think he’s the best player in the game hell most think Lindor and Judge maybe better ? There’s a kid on The Nationals and Braves that may beat that door down soon also .Moon Mookie is a 350 million dollar ball player and top 5 now but 2 years from now ? I don’t know .....Stand firm at 350 if he balks trade him rebuild the farm .Dodgers ,Braves ,Padres are on the clock for a reason .Either we low balled him and have no intention of an extension or we are ironing out small details of a trade to be announced .Mookie answer needs to be completed before Pitchers and Catchers .

 

Trout is the only player better than Mookie. Maybe one day (soon?), Acuna, Bregman, and/or Soto can achieve that rank...

[notin]

It would be a great trade, if it happened.

 

We got Marcus Wilson for Swihart.

 

We got Taylor for Deven Marrero, which is even better...

[moonslav59]

We got Taylor for Deven Marrero, which is even better...

 

Marrero>Swihart

[moonslav59]

Trout is the only player better than Mookie. Maybe one day (soon?), Acuna, Bregman, and/or Soto can achieve that rank...

 

I agree.

 

The Trade Simulator has this, which is not the same as saying who is the best player, right now...

 

212 Bregman

200 Acuna

176 Albies

158 Guerrero

142 Trout

137 Bellinger

132 Soto

132 Marte

127 Devers

126 Chapman & Yelich

125 Flaherty & Franco

122 Tatis

121 Saurez

120 Torres & Bichette

198 Castillo

107 Moncada

103 Ohtani

...

 

96 Bogaerts

...

50 Betts

...

36 Beni

...

28 ERod

 

 

 

 

[notin]

I agree.

 

The Trade Simulator has this, which is not the same as saying who is the best player, right now...

 

212 Bregman

200 Acuna

176 Albies

158 Guerrero

142 Trout

137 Bellinger

132 Soto

132 Marte

127 Devers

126 Chapman & Yelich

125 Flaherty & Franco

122 Tatis

121 Saurez

120 Torres & Bichette

198 Castillo

107 Moncada

103 Ohtani

...

 

96 Bogaerts

...

50 Betts

...

36 Beni

...

28 ERod

 

 

 

 

 

The simulator takes money into account. So someone like Albies who signed an insanely undervalued contract is a more valuable trade chip, but it doesn’t make him a better player..,

[notin]

Marrero>Swihart

 

At what?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Thanks for the corrections, guys; I got my Arizona trades mixed... but as of today, Taylor > Marrero and Swihart (ps. I've seen Wilson play, and to my amateur eyes, he looks 4A).

 

Re. lists, I love Devers, admire Chapman, and begrudge Bregman as a top 10 talent, but most observers have to agree that the best all-around combo of glove and bat at the hot corner is Arenado.

[Slasher9]

we did swihart dirty by sticking him in LF but did give him a million other chances after that. i'm pretty sure there was only 1 or 2 posters that still wanted to keep him.

[notin]

Thanks for the corrections, guys; I got my Arizona trades mixed... but as of today, Taylor > Marrero and Swihart (ps. I've seen Wilson play, and to my amateur eyes, he looks 4A).

 

Re. lists, I love Devers, admire Chapman, and begrudge Bregman as a top 10 talent, but most observers have to agree that the best all-around combo of glove and bat at the hot corner is Arenado.

 

1. I made the same Taylor/Swihart mistake before. That’s how I knew it. I’m going to play wait and see with Wilson. He had a surprising surge starting midseason in AA and maybe there was some sort of epiphany moment for him.

 

2. Actually, and I was surprised to see this - Matt Chapman has a higher career OPS+ (127) than Arenado (122). And as he also beats him on just about every defensive metric, maybe Matt Chapman really is the best all around 3b...

[notin]

we did swihart dirty by sticking him in LF but did give him a million other chances after that. i'm pretty sure there was only 1 or 2 posters that still wanted to keep him.

 

I had (and really, still have) no problem sticking him on the bench...

[Slasher9]

I had (and really, still have) no problem sticking him on the bench...

 

so carry 3 catchers? or you would not have promoted leon last season when it was obvious Sale needed his binky?

#leongate

[Bellhorn04]

so carry 3 catchers? or you would not have promoted leon last season when it was obvious Sale needed his binky?

#leongate

 

Leongate fell through and turned back to restgate.

[notin]

Most trades worked, but we sure could have used Shaw at 1B/2B, Dubon at 2B and Margot in CF (trading JBJ).

 

Pom did well for us half the time, but didn't really help us win a ring. Kimbrel did great for us until the 2019 playoffs, but at least he didn't blow a save.

 

The Thornburg trade sucked.

 

I wish we had the Buttrey trade back.

 

I loved the Sale trade then and still do.

 

The trades worked, but we're paying for them, now.

 

 

Exactly.

 

And actually,I don’t blame Dombrowski for the Thornburg Flop. Shaw wasn’t some sort of core piece, and it was nice to see DD trying to shake his “ignore the bullpen” rep for once.

 

But the combination of huge deals and farm-depleting trades have left this team in a bad spot where they are looking to shed salary.

 

The whole point in keeping a few was to make it that much easier to keep players like Betts. This shouldn’t even be a matter for debate...

[notin]

so carry 3 catchers? or you would not have promoted leon last season when it was obvious Sale needed his binky?

#leongate

 

Might have gone with 3 and let Swihart focus on other positions. But this year, Plawecki is fine but not exactly irreplaceable...

[Bellhorn04]

Exactly.

 

And actually,I don’t blame Dombrowski for the Thornburg Flop. Shaw wasn’t some sort of core piece, and it was nice to see DD trying to shake his “ignore the bullpen” rep for once.

 

But the combination of huge deals and farm-depleting trades have left this team in a bad spot where they are looking to shed salary.

 

The whole point in keeping a few was to make it that much easier to keep players like Betts. This shouldn’t even be a matter for debate...

 

But it is still a matter for debate. Which isn't to say you don't have a strong argument.

[moonslav59]

At what?

 

You said Taylor for Marrero was "even better" than Swihart for Marrero. I assumed you felt Swihart > Marrero.

[moonslav59]

we did swihart dirty by sticking him in LF but did give him a million other chances after that. i'm pretty sure there was only 1 or 2 posters that still wanted to keep him.

 

We gave Swihart an unwarranted second and third chances by letting him try LF and then other positions. He should have been traded long before he was.

[moonslav59]

Exactly.

 

And actually,I don’t blame Dombrowski for the Thornburg Flop. Shaw wasn’t some sort of core piece, and it was nice to see DD trying to shake his “ignore the bullpen” rep for once.

 

But the combination of huge deals and farm-depleting trades have left this team in a bad spot where they are looking to shed salary.

 

The whole point in keeping a few was to make it that much easier to keep players like Betts. This shouldn’t even be a matter for debate...

 

I liked the Thornburg trade, at the time. I was never high on Shaw, except way back when he was a low level prospect..

[notin]

I liked the Thornburg trade, at the time. I was never high on Shaw, except way back when he was a low level prospect..

 

I did too. I thought DD was building a power bullpen. I was NEVER high on Shaw, and at the time, would have done it over the expensive Kimbrel trade...

[notin]

We gave Swihart an unwarranted second and third chances by letting him try LF and then other positions. He should have been traded long before he was.

 

He had no value long before we traded him...

[notin]

But it is still a matter for debate. Which isn't to say you don't have a strong argument.

 

And the debate is obvious. Do we still win it all in 2018 if we don’t make all those trades?

 

(But then I counter with Eovaldi extension arguments and win the debate.).

[a700hitter]

And the debate is obvious. Do we still win it all in 2018 if we don’t make all those trades?

 

(But then I counter with Eovaldi extension arguments and win the debate.).

And the only thing we know for certain is that those trades resulted in a championship and the best season in Red Sox history.