Bloom move your asssssss

[notin]

Just saying that maybe they realized that spending much at all for Travis Shaw wasn't in the team's best interests.

Losing casual fans, as you like to call them, in any size quantity at all will hurt significantly. No one really likes to be called a casual fan I'm guessing but I don't know what the definition of a real fan as opposed to a casual fan might be. Do you think that the staggering number of "fans" posting here are representative of real fans - the folks who watch, listen, breathe, sleep Red Sox never missing an inning are the real fans of the team? I think that likely there are a huge number of fans like me kicking around who continue to want to see this year's team be in the hunt as opposed to setting a primary goal of getting below the luxury tax limit enabling us to be competitive in a guessing game future.

 

 

If you’re posting on this forum on 12/30, your fandom is probably not so casual

 

But there are thousands of fans who turned off NESN during the Hobson and Valentine eras and went back to their productive, fulfilling lives. .

 

The Sox aren’t worried about appeasing fans like me; I’ll be watching. But they do want those other fans to be just a little less productive and fulfilled for 3 hours a day 162 times. And for many, the only way to get them to turn NESN back on is by winning lots and lots of games.

 

I do think the Sox might have to deal Betts for 2 reasons 1) easy attainment of financial goal and 2) the return is less likely to suck. Many point out this will cause the team to lose fans, but it won’t if they win. Dealing Nomar for a slightly above average SS and a bench bat 1b certainly didn’t hurt this team, despite neither player being even close to his equal. It actually can be done. But... it is worth noting most deals of a superstar don’t get much back...

[mvp 78]

From the Valentine era:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/13/media/knL69JSi7YsgPLHb6ya56L/story.html

 

The Red Sox’ first-half performance may have been disappointing to their fans, but that hasn’t discouraged them from reliably tuning in.

 

NESN’s game telecasts are averaging a 7.5 household rating this season, according to information provided by the network and confirmed via Nielsen Media Research. The telecasts are averaging a viewership of 224,000 P2+ (people 2 years and older) per night.

 

The steady ratings are encouraging for the regional sports network, and somewhat surprising given the ball club’s mediocre first-half (43-43 record) and some residual frustration among the fan base from last September’s colossal collapse.

[moonslav59]

Moon I consider you like an OG here man ....but I have to tell you I’m worried about you bud .No worries though the Ghost is here to help .Take one chill pill on the trades have a shot of Jack and repeat until Bloom moves HIS LAZY Puss filled ASSSS !!

 

I'm chilled. It's you who needs a chill pill.

 

Bloom is hard at work trying to find the best of all the possible crappy deals out there that will get us under the Lux Line.

 

He's not lazy. He's been given an impossible task: cut over $20M from the budget without losing viewership, attendance and competitiveness. This is no task to rush into.

[mvp 78]

The 7.5 rating is much higher than last year's first half rating of 5.3. In 2018, the first half ratings were 6.8.

[harmony]

Potential trade partners have good reason to believe the Red Sox want to get under the luxury tax threshold, leaving the Sox in a difficult bargaining position. The status quo might be less acceptable to the Sox than to the trade partner.

[moonslav59]

If you’re posting on this forum on 12/30, your fandom is probably not so casual

 

But there are thousands of fans who turned off NESN during the Hobson and Valentine eras and went back to their productive, fulfilling lives. .

 

The Sox aren’t worried about appeasing fans like me; I’ll be watching. But they do want those other fans to be just a little less productive and fulfilled for 3 hours a day 162 times. And for many, the only way to get them to turn NESN back on is by winning lots and lots of games.

 

I do think the Sox might have to deal Betts for 2 reasons 1) easy attainment of financial goal and 2) the return is less likely to suck. Many point out this will cause the team to lose fans, but it won’t if they win. Dealing Nomar for a slightly above average SS and a bench bat 1b certainly didn’t hurt this team, despite neither player being even close to his equal. It actually can be done. But... it is worth noting most deals of a superstar don’t get much back...

 

At the time of the Nomar trade he was toast. Betts is not.

 

To me, losing enough of JBJ's & Price's salary to get us under with some room to sign 1-3 low level FAs makes more sense.

 

In July, we decide on trading Betts and others.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The quiet we're hearing from the front office is typical. It's just a contrast from Dombro, who would announce/admit he needed a starter, closer, set-up man, DH, back-up infielder -- and go get one, a week or two later. That candor and ugh, transparency, was atypical.

[mvp 78]

Potential trade partners have good reason to believe the Red Sox want to get under the luxury tax threshold, leaving the Sox in a difficult bargaining position. The status quo might be less acceptable to the Sox than to the trade partner.

 

It doesn't affect bargaining at all. If someone is on the trading block, there's obviously some reason the team wants to move him (salary, performance, budget, player in waiting, etc.). The Sox's goal to get under a payroll tax has nothing to do with them not being able to move Price. There just isn't a great market for an older pitcher with injury history and a huge contract. If Price had less years remaining, he'd be gone by now. Teams are just worried about Price sucking up payroll and not even being on the field.

[harmony]

The Red Sox can ill afford the status quo because of the luxury tax implications. That places the Sox at a disadvantage in relation to most clubs.

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox can ill afford the status quo because of the luxury tax implications. That places the Sox at a disadvantage in relation to most clubs.

 

Not really, because the Sox can afford to pay tax a lot more than most clubs.

 

They also said getting below $208 was 'a goal, not a mandate.'

[mvp 78]

Not really, because the Sox can afford to pay tax a lot more than most clubs.

 

They also said getting below $208 was 'a goal, not a mandate.'

 

If they don't get under this year, it just means they definitely won't re-sign Betts next year and will get under then.

[harmony]

Not really, because the Sox can afford to pay tax a lot more than most clubs.

 

They also said getting below $208 was 'a goal, not a mandate.'

If the Red Sox were not concerned about the CBT penalties the Sox would have aimed higher than Jose Peraza and Martin Pérez so far this offseason.

[mvp 78]

If the Red Sox were not concerned about the CBT penalties the Sox would have aimed higher than Jose Peraza and Martin Pérez so far this offseason.

 

They are concerned about it. I believe it's just not the end of the world if they don't get under this year.

 

You could also say "if the Red Sox were concerned about the CBT penalties the Sox should not have signed Jose Peraza and Martin Pérez this offseason."

[Larry Cook]

The more time that goes by, the easier it is to believe that the real brains in the Tampa front office is the guy that runs their analytics department and not hang ‘em chaim!

 

Was that Henry exiting then dragon spa in Miami last week with Robert Kraft? Could be the only happy ending those two are getting for the next 12 months!!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

If they don't get under this year, it just means they definitely won't re-sign Betts next year and will get under then.

 

See this is what I am hoping for as a Yankee fan. Sox stay above the lux tax and watch him walk at the end of the year. Therefore the Sox don’t get the farm system shot in the arm of a trade and since they’re over the LT, get a pick in the 4th instead of after the first as compensation. Double whammy

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking it's almost a certainty we find a way to reset.

 

We could trade JBJ and eat $25M of Price's $31M and be under- not that we'd have to pay that much, but it's not as hard as people think.

 

Trading Betts alone, gets us way under.

[notin]

I'm thinking it's almost a certainty we find a way to reset.

 

We could trade JBJ and eat $25M of Price's $31M and be under- not that we'd have to pay that much, but it's not as hard as people think.

 

Trading Betts alone, gets us way under.

 

That does pose the question of who replaces Price and Bradley. They won’t be free...

[mvp 78]

See this is what I am hoping for as a Yankee fan. Sox stay above the lux tax and watch him walk at the end of the year. Therefore the Sox don’t get the farm system shot in the arm of a trade and since they’re over the LT, get a pick in the 4th instead of after the first as compensation. Double whammy

 

Not a great plan.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That does pose the question of who replaces Price and Bradley. They won’t be free...

 

Unless they're infernal-- I mean, internal.

[moonslav59]

That does pose the question of who replaces Price and Bradley. They won’t be free...

 

1) We could trade Price for Pollock or Bradley for Marisnik.

 

2) We could probably get someone to pay Prrice $12-16M, which coupled with saving $11M on JBJ would put us $8-12M under the tax line. With that money, we could sign a SP'er, CF'er and maybe even a 1Bman. I'm not talking great replacements, but it's not like replacing Price and JBJ needs to be great.

 

3) We could, for one year, move Beni to CF and try Travis (Chavis?) in LF or play Lin (Duran?) in CF- yikes! We could try to make DHern a starter of pray Johnson or Velazquez qet their act together, but if we go with this option, we might as well just commit to a rebuild and sell off other players with just 1 year remaining- maybe even 2 years left.

[notin]

1) We could trade Price for Pollock or Bradley for Marisnik.

 

2) We could probably get someone to pay Prrice $12-16M, which coupled with saving $11M on JBJ would put us $8-12M under the tax line. With that money, we could sign a SP'er, CF'er and maybe even a 1Bman. I'm not talking great replacements, but it's not like replacing Price and JBJ needs to be great.

 

3) We could, for one year, move Beni to CF and try Travis (Chavis?) in LF or play Lin (Duran?) in CF- yikes! We could try to make DHern a starter of pray Johnson or Velazquez qet their act together, but if we go with this option, we might as well just commit to a rebuild and sell off other players with just 1 year remaining- maybe even 2 years left.

 

Here’s the thing. If you trade Price/Bradley and go $8-12mill under the tax line, then you replace Price (2.4 fWAR). Tanner Roark (2.0 fWAR) costs $12mill, and I expect any other 2.0 fWAR pitcher to cost similarly, which now potentially puts you back over. Or means the team is probably worse, which turns into “Why keep Betts?” And that’s assuming someone take Price with only $12mill paid.

 

It’s going to take an interesting deal to make trading Price worthwhile.

 

Also Marisnick cannot be traded until mid-June (?). But Bradley might be replaced cheaply enough with a defensive non-hitter like Cesar Puello...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

See this is what I am hoping for as a Yankee fan. Sox stay above the lux tax and watch him walk at the end of the year. Therefore the Sox don’t get the farm system shot in the arm of a trade and since they’re over the LT, get a pick in the 4th instead of after the first as compensation. Double whammy

 

Thanks for coming clean and finally not pretending to help the Betts situation. Now let's be totally honest... Yankee fans should be hoping in this order: 1A) Mookie is traded to NY for their two worst defensive players who don't have a position, plus a few minor leaguers who are not top prospects... and 1B) he signs with the Yanks for the next decade, wins some rings and wears their cap on his plaque... or 1C) he is traded to anyone else this year, because as long as he's a Red Sox they have a better chance to beat NY... and finally 4) your scenario.

[harmony]

Also Marisnick cannot be traded until mid-June (?)...

Jake Marisnick, whom the Mets acquired via trade, can be traded at any time.

[notin]

Jake Marisnick, whom the Mets acquired via trade, can be traded at any time.

 

For some reason I thought he was a free agent.

 

Either way, don’t really want him..

[moonslav59]

For some reason I thought he was a free agent.

 

Either way, don’t really want him..

 

He has some offensive upside, but sure, there are other defensive CF'ers out there who cost very little.

 

Replacing Price is only difficult because we still haven't really replaced Porcello's innings.

 

Price has pitched less than 108 IP in 2 of the last 3 years. It's the main reason we are having a hard time finding a taker. We may not need a pitcher as good as Rourke to replace what Price is likely to give us in 2020.

[notin]

He has some offensive upside, but sure, there are other defensive CF'ers out there who cost very little.

 

Replacing Price is only difficult because we still haven't really replaced Porcello's innings.

 

Price has pitched less than 108 IP in 2 of the last 3 years. It's the main reason we are having a hard time finding a taker. We may not need a pitcher as good as Rourke to replace what Price is likely to give us in 2020.

 

 

Price in his limited innings was still worth more fWAR than Roark.

 

Although it is possible the Sox add a reliever or two and use the opener strategy. That “reliever” might be a buy low starter, like Buchholz or Shelby Miller or Alex Wood who comes in and pitches innings 3-6 after 2 by, say, Darwinzon Hernandez...

[moonslav59]

Price in his limited innings was still worth more fWAR than Roark.

 

Although it is possible the Sox add a reliever or two and use the opener strategy. That “reliever” might be a buy low starter, like Buchholz or Shelby Miller or Alex Wood who comes in and pitches innings 3-6 after 2 by, say, Darwinzon Hernandez...

 

Assuming equal pay, who would you rather have in the next 3 years: Price or Rourk?

[notin]

Assuming equal pay, who would you rather have in the next 3 years: Price or Rourk?

 

Assuming equal pay, I’d take Price. I might regret that in year three, but I am confident about the first two...

[notin]

Unless they're infernal-- I mean, internal.

 

So... Mike Shawaryn and Jarren Duran?

[moonslav59]

Assuming equal pay, I’d take Price. I might regret that in year three, but I am confident about the first two...

 

I disagree, but it's a tough call.