Bloom move your asssssss

[harmony]

That the Padres are so desperate to unload Myers (fifth outfielder on the depth chart) this offseason largely due to the $17mill increase in his salary, and Price is still in Boston, tells me Bloom has very little interest in Myers, if any at all. Even we were able to spot that match; there is no way Bloom missed it. And in reality, ithis deal is a complete no-brainer for the Padres. I am all but 100% positive Preller would do this deal. I think the big "stumbling block" is Bloom wants nothing to do with Myers. I don't really blame him here. Really, if Bloom included $60mill to send Price elsewhere, got nothing in return, and then spent $5mill on a scrap heap outfielder or 1B, it would be cheaper for the Red Sox. Although not as effective on the luxury tax, where he would only save $7mill.

 

At this point, the only way any sort of Price-Myers deal happens is very late in the offseason when both teams realize that no one else is going to take those players off their hands.

Perhaps each side approves the framework of a David Price-for-Wil Myers trade but wants a supplemental piece or pieces.

 

Perhaps each side thinks its current standing offer will look better when the market for starting pitchers settles.

 

Perhaps teams are waiting out the Red Sox knowing that the Sox are under pressure (desperate?) to get under the tax luxury tax threshold.

 

Perhaps none of the above.

[notin]

Perhaps each side approves the framework of a David Price-for-Wil Myers trade but wants a supplemental piece or pieces.

 

Perhaps each side thinks its current standing offer will look better when the market for starting pitchers settles.

 

Perhaps teams are waiting out the Red Sox knowing that the Sox are under pressure (desperate?) to get under the tax luxury tax threshold.

 

Perhaps none of the above.

 

No doubt each side i waiting the other out. There are not lines forming to take either of these players. For all the reported activity on Price, no one has mentioned the offers, probably because nothing was realistic for one side or for both.

 

In the end, there is a lot that makes sense for both teams here. But Boston also gets stuck paying a largely ineffective Wil Myers $67.5 millio over 3 years. That has to be a factor that they are not happy with. Who would be? We know San Diego certainly isn't...

[mvp 78]

Whether or not Preller uses it doesn't change how much sense that deal makes for SD. But when we use the simulator, at least the deals are a lot more fair and realistic than the non-simulator proposals (like Andy Vaughn for Price). That's like proposing Tristan Casas for Mike Leake. ("Hey it works out!! Boston needs a starting pitcher!! And the Dbacks need a 1B!! Make it happen, Hazen!")

 

Sorry but Casas for Leake is basically the same as Moon's Price and Vaz and 3M for Myers et al.

[notin]

Sorry but Casas for Leake is basically the same as Moon's Price and Vaz and 3M for Myers et al.

 

No. Leake for Casas is just flat out silly.

 

While I agree moon's deal isn't happening. The Padres are not moving Hedges, not even for Vaz, and I have no idea if they like or don't like Trey Wingenter. But at least it does something positive for both sides.

 

They do clearly want to deal Myers, who made $5mill last year and now sees his contract paying him $22.5mill for the next three years. That's a massive raise for a player who sucks. They are the very definition of motivated sellers here.

 

The only reason a Price/Myers framework works is Boston would see a massive (~$14mill) drop in AAV, and San Diege would get a 2-2.5 fWAR starting pitcher for a net cost of $9.5 mill per year. But since neither player is really a marketing coup right now, I imagine there will be some ancillary pieces. Hedges and Vazquez will not be among them. Manny Margot might be, however. But I expect most of the names, if there are any, will be a lot less recognizable to many fans...

[harmony]

No. Leake for Casas is just flat out silly.

Indeed it is despite Mike Leake's positive surplus value of $1.1 million, according to Baseball Trade Values:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/8684/

 

Triston Casas has a surplus value of $24.5 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/7832/

[moonslav59]

That the Padres are so desperate to unload Myers (fifth outfielder on the depth chart) this offseason largely due to the $17mill increase in his salary, and Price is still in Boston, tells me Bloom has very little interest in Myers, if any at all. Even we were able to spot that match; there is no way Bloom missed it. And in reality, ithis deal is a complete no-brainer for the Padres. I am all but 100% positive Preller would do this deal. I think the big "stumbling block" is Bloom wants nothing to do with Myers. I don't really blame him here. Really, if Bloom included $60mill to send Price elsewhere, got nothing in return, and then spent $5mill on a scrap heap outfielder or 1B, it would be cheaper for the Red Sox. Although not as effective on the luxury tax, where he would only save $7mill.

 

At this point, the only way any sort of Price-Myers deal happens is very late in the offseason when both teams realize that no one else is going to take those players off their hands.

 

It could happen today.

 

It might be held up until a deal with another team falls through.

 

It might never happen.

 

They may not have even spoken.

[Bellhorn04]

That the Padres are so desperate to unload Myers (fifth outfielder on the depth chart) this offseason largely due to the $17mill increase in his salary, and Price is still in Boston, tells me Bloom has very little interest in Myers, if any at all. Even we were able to spot that match; there is no way Bloom missed it. And in reality, ithis deal is a complete no-brainer for the Padres. I am all but 100% positive Preller would do this deal. I think the big "stumbling block" is Bloom wants nothing to do with Myers. I don't really blame him here. Really, if Bloom included $60mill to send Price elsewhere, got nothing in return, and then spent $5mill on a scrap heap outfielder or 1B, it would be cheaper for the Red Sox. Although not as effective on the luxury tax, where he would only save $7mill.

 

At this point, the only way any sort of Price-Myers deal happens is very late in the offseason when both teams realize that no one else is going to take those players off their hands.

 

The question is whether the Red Sox have the "luxury" (ha-ha) of waiting that long, assuming they are committed to getting below the $208.

[moonslav59]

The question is whether the Red Sox have the "luxury" (ha-ha) of waiting that long, assuming they are committed to getting below the $208.

 

It might be about another team "waiting."

[notin]

It might be about another team "waiting."

 

I can get why some teams are waiting to see how much the Sox are willing to pay, hoping Bloom gets more and more desperate. The problem is that is one hand that is easy to overplay. After all, if the Sox were to get willing to include too much money, it defeats the purpose of moving him at all....

[moonslav59]

I can get why some teams are waiting to see how much the Sox are willing to pay, hoping Bloom gets more and more desperate. The problem is that is one hand that is easy to overplay. After all, if the Sox were to get willing to include too much money, it defeats the purpose of moving him at all....

 

I was thinking more about them waiting to see if another deal can happen with another team, of if they miss out on a FA SP'er they are currently pursuing.

[Bellhorn04]

I was thinking more about them waiting to see if another deal can happen with another team, of if they miss out on a FA SP'er they are currently pursuing.

 

At this point which significant FA SP'ers are left?

[mvp 78]

At this point which significant FA SP'ers are left?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?sign=unsigned&pos=sp

 

Riyu

Bailey

Nova

Miley

Gio Gonzalez

Keuchel

Wood

Chacin

Aaron Sanchez

 

Other interesting names:

Buch

Ross

King Felix

Teheran

Clayton Richard

Holland

Eickhoff

Harvey

Cahill

Ervin Santana

Shelby Miller

Rich Hill (injured)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Silly? I wouldn't trade Casas for Mike Leake and Kelly Leak!!!!!

 

The latter was the Bad New Bears' ringer/superstar... but he smoked cigarettes, which stunted his growth, so his frame is a sure bet to break down in the near future and diminish his trade value.

[moonslav59]

At this point which significant FA SP'ers are left?

 

Ryu, Keuchel, Gio Gonzalez, Miley and maybe Teheran, Nova, Bailey and Aaron Sanchez

[notin]

...and Sanchez is out til midseason, and not likely to jump back into a starting role even then..,

[Elktonnick]

One wonders if Boston's dilatory behavior this off season is due to paralysis by analysis. I implicitly criticized Bloom's statements that decisions by consensus would lead to GM by committee. So far the Red Sox front office doesn't appear to be very nimble. Have the Red Sox gone so far from DD's Lone Ranger approach to the other extreme. Well there is plenty of time to make some moves or is there? One wonders.

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking maybe expectations for bold moves were too high.

 

If we are looking to reset, I'm not sure about rushing into deals is a sound strategy.

 

I'm pretty certain Bloom has a numbers of deals in the works- probably some already accepted by the other team, but he is waiting on other shoes to fall first.

[notin]

One wonders if Boston's dilatory behavior this off season is due to paralysis by analysis. I implicitly criticized Bloom's statements that decisions by consensus would lead to GM by committee. So far the Red Sox front office doesn't appear to be very nimble. Have the Red Sox gone so far from DD's Lone Ranger approach to the other extreme. Well there is plenty of time to make some moves or is there? One wonders.

 

 

Or... the whole “Spend,spend, spend” off-seasons Sox fans are used to aren’t happening this year. Was he making many moves in Tampa in December in seasons past.

 

Just because he hasn’t made moves anyone is excited about doesn’t mean he has no idea how to do the job...

[a700hitter]

One wonders if Boston's dilatory behavior this off season is due to paralysis by analysis. I implicitly criticized Bloom's statements that decisions by consensus would lead to GM by committee. So far the Red Sox front office doesn't appear to be very nimble. Have the Red Sox gone so far from DD's Lone Ranger approach to the other extreme. Well there is plenty of time to make some moves or is there? One wonders.

I am sure that Bloom is very bright, but I don't know if he has leadership skills.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Started this thread as a Gag but dang it if I'm not really getting antsy lol .I know it takes time but daaaaaaang this is brutal .

[Elktonnick]

Or... the whole “Spend,spend, spend” off-seasons Sox fans are used to aren’t happening this year. Was he making many moves in Tampa in December in seasons past.

 

Just because he hasn’t made moves anyone is excited about doesn’t mean he has no idea how to do the job...

Never said or implied he has no idea on how to do the job. The question is does he have the will or the authority to make decisions on his own.

[harmony]

Never said or implied he has no idea on how to do the job. The question is does he have the will or the authority to make decisions on his own.

For all we know Chaim Bloom may have made numerous criticial decisions "on his own" already.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Never said or implied he has no idea on how to do the job. The question is does he have the will or the authority to make decisions on his own.

 

Now as I heard it this is decision by committee front office ...I happen to love this idea and reflects what Theo had in mind and was not really able to truly deploy .The time is frustrating only for the fan .I am wanting something special for Christmas a reboot a huge extension just something .I am a Gen X er so fast and immediately are what is expected Microwave Generation Latchkey Generation let’s freaking do this .

[Elktonnick]

For all we know Chaim Bloom may have made numerous criticial decisions "on his own" already.

And for all we know may not have.

[notin]

And for all we know may not have.

 

 

For a man who preaches debate techniques, I found that counterpoint substantially lacking...

[Larry Cook]

I am beginning to think that the real stud in the Rays front office is the genius that runs their analytics department and that hang ‘em chaim was JAG who benefitted from that guy’s outstanding work!

[fxkatt]

I think some of the impatience is a carry over from last season's no move off-season. That made sense but still you like a little something to chat about. This season it doesn't make sense, but I get the picture that each move depends on so many other moves not under our control.

 

And as to FA market, often the longer you wait, the better the deal. (e.g. BB's Patriots)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

For all we know Chaim Bloom may have made numerous criticial decisions "on his own" already.

 

Wonder how many times he had the final say at the winter meetings and it was, "No deal" ...to other team's GMs or to his own "assistants" (who were in-house for years before he got here).

 

I always thought it'd be fascinating to be a fly on the wall (fly ball off the wall?) in these meetings and privy to the names and proposals of trades that didn't end up happening. As the lowly roused rabble, guys like us never get to hear or read too much of the almosts, except maybe years later in someone's memoirs.

 

Like in tbe '40s -- Teddy Ballgame for Joltin Joe; or in the 60s, when George quit for a day and John said, "Call Eric..."

[Elktonnick]

For a man who preaches debate techniques, I found that counterpoint substantially lacking...

 

Your point was in fact pointless. The absence of proof is not proof of absence. Because we do not know is exactly the point. He has not demonstrated anything except being dilatory.

[notin]

Your point was in fact pointless. The absence of proof is not proof of absence. Because we do not know is exactly the point. He has not demonstrated anything except being dilatory.

 

While true, as he said nothing definitive, you were merely being redundant. It was the Debate Equivalent of “I know you are but what am I?” And you know that.

 

I have hopes for you bringing up salient counterpoints. I know you can do better...