Cora implicated in sign stealing

[notin]

The idea that during the “steroid era” that the Red Sox were somehow cleaner than a whistle is f***ing stupid.

 

But that doesn't mean that random, unsupported or discredited accusations should be given more validity...

[jacksonianmarch]

But that doesn't mean that random, unsupported or discredited accusations should be given more validity...

 

The Ortiz test was never formally discredited. And it was during the year you guys are questioning. So hey, maybe I feel jilted for having to see the series go to 7 games. Or maybe I should feel worse about 2004 knowing Papi was juicing his balls off.

[notin]

ARod never tested positive either. Neither did Giambi. But Manny tested positive TWICE after his time with the Sox. And he tested positive once for a masking agent which wasn’t tested for when testing initially rolled out!

 

ARod confessed, which was a rarity and I give him credit for it.

 

Giambi didn't confess per se, but he held a very cryptic press conference where he issued apologies after his grand jury testimony. He specifically denied saying what the apologies were for, but given that the testimony was related to steroid abuse, the link was obvious...

[jacksonianmarch]

Giambi’s testimony was leaked and he absolutely admitted to using roids. I’ll never defend him as a non roid user. But the idea that the Sox “did it the right way” and the big bad cheating roiding Yankees took away your binky is so naive it borders on infantile.

[notin]

Giambi’s testimony was leaked and he absolutely admitted to using roids. I’ll never defend him as a non roid user. But the idea that the Sox “did it the right way” and the big bad cheating roiding Yankees took away your binky is so naive it borders on infantile.

 

No one said the Sox were innocent. But that doesn't give any validity to random, discredited and unsupported accusations. It's no different than saying "The Yankees were using, so Mariano Rivera was a clear steroid cheat."

[notin]

The Ortiz test was never formally discredited.

 

Yes it was. Manfred issued a statement saying the techniques used were unable to determine legal from illegal supplements....

[Slasher9]

HR: Jason Giambi 2 (3, 2 off Pedro Martinez, 5th inn, 0 on, 0 outs to CF-RF; 7th inn, 0 on, 2 outs to CF);

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes it was. Manfred issued a statement saying the techniques used were unable to determine legal from illegal supplements....

 

So does that mean Ortiz definitely tested positive for a legal supplement? Again, he tested positive for a drug that was part of MLB’s impetus to institute steroid testing.

 

Listen, I use this only because you guys brought up steroids. I know enough about this and how rampant it was and still is to not care at all. What I do care about is a World Series champion hiding camera’s in walls and reporting to the batter in real time which pitch is coming. That is overt cheating and is not rampant in the majors. Roids were rampant.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Ballplayers will do or use anything to get an edge, so none of this is worth getting worked up about. I have no doubt that the majority of MLB players have done some form of PEDs since cocaine was an ingredient in Coca-Cola. Nicotine, caffeine, amphetamines, sour mash -- you name it.

 

As for The Era -- one need look no further than the Texas Rangers of the early-90s. I won't drop any names -- except Jose Canseco, the King of Roids, who claims/admits he introduced his edge to so many teammates. Among them were several who got caught from Oakland and Texas; feel free to speculate away on others, some who even made the Hall of Fame, including guys whose miracle bodies allowed them to perform at high levels longer than the average human's can bear (mixed Yogism).

 

Canseco then played a few years in Boston, where there's no reason to think his legacy didn't continue (except for Mike Greenwell, who said he refused... and seems believable, as a lifetime .303 hitter who was done by age 32).

 

As for stealing signs, it's been divulged that the most famous home run in history -- Bobby Thomson's Shot-Heard-Round-The-World -- was furtively assisted by the technology of the day: binoculars, wielded by a peeping employee beyond centerfield, to spy and relay signs. That was in 1951... so again, any modern scandal is no reason to get bent out of shape.

 

The Astros just got caught -- like Nixon, Clinton and Trump. Does anyone really believe all the other presidents are innocent?

[jad]

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Cora? And not about the ravings of Yankee trolls?

[Elktonnick]

Ballplayers will do or use anything to get an edge, so none of this is worth getting worked up about. I have no doubt that the majority of MLB players have done some form of PEDs since cocaine was an ingredient in Coca-Cola. Nicotine, caffeine, amphetamines, sour mash -- you name it.

 

As for The Era -- one need look no further than the Texas Rangers of the early-90s. I won't drop any names -- except Jose Canseco, the King of Roids, who claims/admits he introduced his edge to so many teammates. Among them were several who got caught from Oakland and Texas; feel free to speculate away on others, some who even made the Hall of Fame, including guys whose miracle bodies allowed them to perform at high levels longer than the average human's can bear (mixed Yogism).

 

Canseco then played a few years in Boston, where there's no reason to think his legacy didn't continue (except for Mike Greenwell, who said he refused... and seems believable, as a lifetime .303 hitter who was done by age 32).

 

As for stealing signs, it's been divulged that the most famous home run in history -- Bobby Thomson's Shot-Heard-Round-The-World -- was furtively assisted by the technology of the day: binoculars, wielded by a peeping employee beyond centerfield, to spy and relay signs. That was in 1951... so again, any modern scandal is no reason to get bent out of shape.

 

The Astros just got caught -- like Nixon, Clinton and Trump. Does anyone really believe all the other presidents are innocent?

 

The stuff that Kennedy and Johnson pulled make the above three look like choir boys! Do the names Sam Giacana and Billie Sol Estes, just to name two, ring a bell with you guys younger than 60

[Bellhorn04]

The only thing that's off limits on this board is politics.

[Slasher9]

The only thing that's off limits on this board is politics.

 

Sad!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The only thing that's off limits on this board is politics.

 

Sorry, lazy of me trying to think of other public figures. How about: every Hollywood sex scandal vs. unreported Hollywood depravities?

[Elktonnick]

The only thing that's off limits on this board is politics.

You are just jealous because Canadian political scandals are so dull by comparison.

[oldtimer]

ARod confessed, which was a rarity and I give him credit for it.

 

Giambi didn't confess per se, but he held a very cryptic press conference where he issued apologies after his grand jury testimony. He specifically denied saying what the apologies were for, but given that the testimony was related to steroid abuse, the link was obvious...

 

When this appeared on my screen, it was with a large Obama attachment. I also have others with attachments. How are they getting into this web site?

[notin]

The only thing that's off limits on this board is politics.

 

There’s probably a political board somewhere on tt his site

[jad]

When this appeared on my screen, it was with a large Obama attachment. I also have others with attachments. How are they getting into this web site?

 

You must be more woke than I am. All I get are golf videos (I don't play much and NEVER spend any money on it) and ads for nail clippers (is this because of my LA connection?)

[notin]

All I get are golf videos (I don't play much and NEVER spend any money on it) and ads for nail clippers (is this because of my LA connection?)

 

Maybe Google just thinks you’re boring

[jad]

Maybe Google just thinks you’re boring

 

I don't think Google is that perceptive.

[notin]

I don't think Google is that perceptive.

 

Google is our all-knowing Dark Overlord...

[moonslav59]

Google is our all-knowing Dark Overlord...

 

Careful, they are watching...

[Tedballgame]

Manfred says the focus of the sign stealing investigation is solely on the Astros so this whole thread is garbage. Nothing is going to happen to Cora or the Red Sox. Thread started by Yankee troll.

[Elktonnick]

Manfred says the focus of the sign stealing investigation is solely on the Astros so this whole thread is garbage. Nothing is going to happen to Cora or the Red Sox. Thread started by Yankee troll.

 

Disagree! While Cora probably won't be suspended because that would penalize Boston, many MLB analysts expect a fine, if the commissioner determines he was involved.

[moonslav59]

Disagree! While Cora probably won't be suspended because that would penalize Boston, many MLB analysts expect a fine, if the commissioner determines he was involved.

 

If Cora was involved, more than just knowing about it, I think he should be suspended for a few games, despite it seemingly hurting one of the teams that may have been hurt by the cheating.

[notin]

Disagree! While Cora probably won't be suspended because that would penalize Boston, many MLB analysts expect a fine, if the commissioner determines he was involved.

 

That would be a Cora Problem, not a Red Sox Problem...

[Elktonnick]

That would be a Cora Problem, not a Red Sox Problem...

As long as he is Red Sox manager, Cora's problems with the commissioner's office would also be a problem for the Red Sox. One can not dismiss any connection so facilely. For one thing Boston will be under increased scrutiny if nothing else. I also have to believe ownership isn't exactly thrilled about being connected to this scandal even if indirectly.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would disagree with a Cora suspension for the ideas stated above. You don’t penalize one of the victims by suspending their coach. But a fine of half a year’s salary? Maybe more? Totally fine. You hurt the people involved and the organization involved. You don’t hurt the other teams

[Slasher9]

methinks WTF! seat has gone from "warm" to "red hot"

[Bellhorn04]

I would disagree with a Cora suspension for the ideas stated above. You don’t penalize one of the victims by suspending their coach. But a fine of half a year’s salary? Maybe more? Totally fine. You hurt the people involved and the organization involved. You don’t hurt the other teams

 

You also don't take half of anyone's salary away.