Playing Red Sox GM: salary dump time!

[Swiharts Ghost]

Moon are we really going to pay one player 300 million under Bloom ? Love Mookie just don't see this as a viable option with this hire do you ?

[Nick]

Moon are we really going to pay one player 300 million under Bloom ? Love Mookie just don't see this as a viable option with this hire do you ?

 

Not to mention Devers will require significant money before you know it.........There's always another 'great' player on the horizon.

 

The approach should be to build a playoff bound team around $208M. Then if an opportunity presents itself, go get that guy to put the team over the top. Not the other way around.

 

As much as I respect Trout, what's the game plan for the Angels? Is that going to be the Sox? Betts and no one else?

[moonslav59]

Moon are we really going to pay one player 300 million under Bloom ? Love Mookie just don't see this as a viable option with this hire do you ?

 

Who knows?

 

Just because he could never do that at TB doesn't mean he never will with the Sox. He's never had a $208M budget before, and after 2020, he may be allowed to go over the tax line.

[Slasher9]

bye JBj.

bye Mookie.

[OH FOY]

It would shock me if Bloom throws a huge Contract for many years for Mookie. Something that is not in his DNA. He got rid of Longoria.

Different GM or whatever he's called.

I can see a 5 at 30, maybe, maybe up to 35. Never handcuff the team, after 1st 5 years., with the last 5 years when he should be declining.

If the Stat nerds that he uses big time, tells him that this will be the trend for Mookie, no way he is offered a long term contract.

Harmony looking for a job? ha

Edited November 5, 2019 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Everybody here should be glad we Bloom. He loves every alphabet there is for Sabermetrics. WAR, FIP, SOB, DOB, anything. The computers will be working overtime this Off-Season.

[moonslav59]

We don't know if Bloom sees value in big contracts. He was highly restricted in TB. We don't know how he places value on a player like Betts.

 

One hint might be his choice of trading JD or not.

[notin]

We don't know if Bloom sees value in big contracts. He was highly restricted in TB. We don't know how he places value on a player like Betts.

 

One hint might be his choice of trading JD or not.

 

It's tough to tell with these GMs who are used to small money. Dan Duquette came to boston with a reputation for building farm systems and being successful with no budget. Yet when he came to Boston, he suddenly lost his spendthrift ways and started doling out some of the biggest contracts in history at the time.

 

Andrew Friedman left Tampa with the same reputation, but has actually been a lot more of a moderate spender. He still drops a lot of coin on his payroll, but for the most part, it has been to retain players rather than drunken sailor spending on free agents. And even then, his contracts are comparably small. Kershaw didn't get a 10 year deal, for example...

[moonslav59]

It's tough to tell with these GMs who are used to small money. Dan Duquette came to boston with a reputation for building farm systems and being successful with no budget. Yet when he came to Boston, he suddenly lost his spendthrift ways and started doling out some of the biggest contracts in history at the time.

 

Andrew Friedman left Tampa with the same reputation, but has actually been a lot more of a moderate spender. He still drops a lot of coin on his payroll, but for the most part, it has been to retain players rather than drunken sailor spending on free agents. And even then, his contracts are comparably small. Kershaw didn't get a 10 year deal, for example...

 

Good points, but retaining his own players were mostly at drunken sailor dollars.

[notin]

Good points, but retaining his own players were mostly at drunken sailor dollars.

 

But not for crazy years. Clayton Kershaw dd sign a contract with an insane $31mill AAV, but only for 3 years!!! Same AAV as Price, but which deal is better?

[moonslav59]

But not for crazy years. Clayton Kershaw dd sign a contract with an insane $31mill AAV, but only for 3 years!!! Same AAV as Price, but which deal is better?

 

True, but Kershaw was not going to be a FA, or am I wrong?

[notin]

True, but Kershaw was not going to be a FA, or am I wrong?

 

He opted out.

[moonslav59]

He opted out.

 

OK, I was thinking of his prior deal.

 

Yes, he opted out being owed $65M/2 and signed for $93M/3.

[Kimmi]

It would shock me if Bloom throws a huge Contract for many years for Mookie. Something that is not in his DNA. He got rid of Longoria.

Different GM or whatever he's called.

I can see a 5 at 30, maybe, maybe up to 35. Never handcuff the team, after 1st 5 years., with the last 5 years when he should be declining.

If the Stat nerds that he uses big time, tells him that this will be the trend for Mookie, no way he is offered a long term contract.

Harmony looking for a job? ha

 

Time will tell what happens with Mookie, but I tend to agree with you. I can't see Bloom offering a 10 year contract to any player, and rightly so, IMO. I will be shocked if he does.

[Kimmi]

It's tough to tell with these GMs who are used to small money. Dan Duquette came to boston with a reputation for building farm systems and being successful with no budget. Yet when he came to Boston, he suddenly lost his spendthrift ways and started doling out some of the biggest contracts in history at the time.

 

Andrew Friedman left Tampa with the same reputation, but has actually been a lot more of a moderate spender. He still drops a lot of coin on his payroll, but for the most part, it has been to retain players rather than drunken sailor spending on free agents. And even then, his contracts are comparably small. Kershaw didn't get a 10 year deal, for example...

 

Obviously, Bloom will have a larger budget to work with than he did in Tampa. He has been given the directive to cut payroll, however, so I can't see a large contract being given to Mookie. Also, one of his main goals is sustainable success. That doesn't typically coincide well with $300 million, 10 year contracts to one player.

[Kimmi]

But not for crazy years. Clayton Kershaw dd sign a contract with an insane $31mill AAV, but only for 3 years!!! Same AAV as Price, but which deal is better?

 

I have always preferred giving a larger AAV for fewer years rather than the other way around.

[moonslav59]

Time will tell what happens with Mookie, but I tend to agree with you. I can't see Bloom offering a 10 year contract to any player, and rightly so, IMO. I will be shocked if he does.

 

I'm not sure we can use his history with the highly restricted budget Rays as a blueprint on how Bllom thinks about long term mega deals.

 

He may also get a directive from above that he should make a strong and fair offer to Betts.

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure we can use his history with the highly restricted budget Rays as a blueprint on how Bllom thinks about long term mega deals.

 

He may also get a directive from above that he should make a strong and fair offer to Betts.

 

My understanding is that several strong and fair offers have been made to Betts, and Betts has declined. He's going to free agency, unless the Sox give him a deal so outrageous that he can't say no.

 

Yes, Bloom will have more money to throw around than he did with the Rays, and I'm sure he'll offer some contracts higher than what he did with the Rays. I don't believe he will offer a 10 year deal to any player. I just can't see it.

[Bellhorn04]

My understanding is that several strong and fair offers have been made to Betts, and Betts has declined. He's going to free agency, unless the Sox give him a deal so outrageous that he can't say no.

 

Yes, Bloom will have more money to throw around than he did with the Rays, and I'm sure he'll offer some contracts higher than what he did with the Rays. I don't believe he will offer a 10 year deal to any player. I just can't see it.

 

Mookie confirmed that the Red Sox made an offer of 8 years and 200 million-after 2017, I believe. I think that's the only known offer.

 

It was a fair offer. But I can understand him turning it down, because he'll likely get a lot more than that.

[moonslav59]

My understanding is that several strong and fair offers have been made to Betts, and Betts has declined. He's going to free agency, unless the Sox give him a deal so outrageous that he can't say no.

 

Yes, Bloom will have more money to throw around than he did with the Rays, and I'm sure he'll offer some contracts higher than what he did with the Rays. I don't believe he will offer a 10 year deal to any player. I just can't see it.

 

You certainly may be right, and he may just make a fair offer he knows won't be enough- just to save face for the Sox.

[OH FOY]

I'll watch the Rendon situation, this Off-Season.

[Bellhorn04]

I'll watch the Rendon situation, this Off-Season.

 

FWIW MLBTR's prediction for Rendon is 7/235.

[Nick]

FWIW MLBTR's prediction for Rendon is 7/235.

 

He may get it but that's out of my price range....I'd put a limit of $25M for position players. I don't think the revenue line in mlb is growing these days.

[vegasbob]

FWIW MLBTR's prediction for Rendon is 7/235.

 

Agreed that Rendon will be the bellcow for FA position players this post season. If he can score $30MM/yr+ AAV for 7 or 8 years, then Mookie will surely shoot for 10@ $300MM+ . I also think the comment that the Sox will make a fair and realistic offer to him, but will get outbid by is also likely, whether they trade him or not prior to his FA period.

 

It is a real dilemma if it comes down to keeping only one of Martinez or Betts. Mookie does bring a much better all around game (defense/baserunning, potentially comparable hitting) . Not sure why he had such a slow start in 2019 but with his contract year coming up and looking for playoff positioning in 2020, I think you have to keep Mookie at least to trade deadline in July, and shop JDM now who may not be matched as a DH but is easier to replace in the lineup.

 

Of course all the discussion is about JBJr/JDM/MB but the pitching uncertainty is a much bigger problem. While it is interesting to try and juggle a roster to JH's $208 million tax threshhold, I seriously doubt Henry will let it be a mandate that cannot be crossed for the right mix of talent, maybe up to $215MM just to pick a number.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

There were also rumors he was hitting on other players' wives.

 

That could explain so many teams.

 

It wasnt just other guys wives, I heard he was also hounding a young ball girl. He was basically a sleaze.

[Behindenemylines]

It would be easier seeing CB pay the big$$$$$ to Mookie if so much money wasn’t tied up with the SP. Because of that I think Mookie will get traded this winter.

[moonslav59]

It would be easier seeing CB pay the big$$$$$ to Mookie if so much money wasn’t tied up with the SP. Because of that I think Mookie will get traded this winter.

 

Unless we are able to trade one or two SP'ers for some salary relief. JD will likely opt out next winter.

 

There will or can be enough money for Betts in 2021, if we choose to allocate a huge percent of our entire budget for him.

 

To me, he's worth it.

 

I get the risk argument, and the fact that most large & long contracts fail or are total disasters, but to me, Betts is special.

 

[Kimmi]

Unless we are able to trade one or two SP'ers for some salary relief. JD will likely opt out next winter.

 

There will or can be enough money for Betts in 2021, if we choose to allocate a huge percent of our entire budget for him.

 

To me, he's worth it.

 

I get the risk argument, and the fact that most large & long contracts fail or are total disasters, but to me, Betts is special.

 

 

To me, trading away our starting pitchers so that we can keep Betts kind of defeats the purpose. If we realistically want to stay competitive, then we need the big 3 starters to bounce back next season. If they aren't able to, then we likely won't be competitive, in which case trading Betts makes way more sense.

[cp176]

Unless we are able to trade one or two SP'ers for some salary relief. JD will likely opt out next winter.

 

There will or can be enough money for Betts in 2021, if we choose to allocate a huge percent of our entire budget for him.

 

To me, he's worth it.

 

I get the risk argument, and the fact that most large & long contracts fail or are total disasters, but to me, Betts is special.

 

 

Like all of us, i would love to see Mookie stay in Boston forever but a ten year 300 million dollar contract I'm not sure makes any sense. How have the teams made out who have offered these huge sums of money to one player? We are all replaceable.

[moonslav59]

To me, trading away our starting pitchers so that we can keep Betts kind of defeats the purpose. If we realistically want to stay competitive, then we need the big 3 starters to bounce back next season. If they aren't able to, then we likely won't be competitive, in which case trading Betts makes way more sense.

 

I meant Price and or Eovaldi-- addition by subtraction.