Chaim Bloom in as DD replacement

[moonslav59]

Bloom sounds like he is the anti-Dombrowski.

 

His priority is sustainability and competitiveness over the long term. It can be done!

 

He is also supposedly 'cutting edge'

 

Young Theo, 2.0.

 

My man.

 

This makes me like him even more, Kimmi.

[Monster24]

To me the hiring of Bloom means the end of Bradley,Betts ,Holt and JD.

With a high payroll and weak farm system may not have to totally blow things up but need to take a few steps back before moving forward again.

[cp176]

This makes me like him even more, Kimmi.

 

I like him as well. I hope that he does a great job. The anti-Dombrowski comment certainly wasn't necessary.

[cp176]

I think the Sox want a competitive team, just one that costs less than $208million. That’s hardly impossible...

 

Agree

[moonslav59]

To me the hiring of Bloom means the end of Bradley,Betts ,Holt and JD.

With a high payroll and weak farm system may not have to totally blow things up but need to take a few steps back before moving forward again.

 

Holt might fit into Bloom's strategy.

[cp176]

the seats at fenway are always full. JH is more worried about eyes on the TV screen (nesn)......

he has to weigh that against the insanity of the LT tax he's been paying and projected to pay if:

a) he doesnt reset this year

2) he want to sign Mookie to a LTC when he hits FA

III) the cold shoulder his wifey gives him for emptying her checking account on baseball player "tax"

 

hey Slasher now even I (an old school, anti-analytics, and all anything new with respect to everything kind of guy) will give you a hearty helluva post of the day for your :

 

III) cold shoulder, wifey, check book stuff!

 

the rest of course is nonsense but hey you can't have everything. LOL You know me by now Slasher!

[Tedballgame]

Holt might fit into Bloom's strategy.

Wish they could keep Brock but he will want too much money and they are cutting payroll. He is a glue guy but not a full time starter. I think he is gone. Maybe they can sign his son to a futures contract.

[Elktonnick]

I like him as well. I hope that he does a great job. The anti-Dombrowski comment certainly wasn't necessary.

 

I can't say I like Chaim . That question is irrelevant. Given Henry's track record on Chiefs of Baseball Operations/GMs, I don't see him lasting any longer than any of his predecessors. I'd be shocked if Chaim has the usual 5 years to "turn things around"

[Larry Cook]

Hang’em chiam has a lot of evaluating to do over the next few weeks.

 

It should be extremely interesting to see what marching orders he got from Henry and company.

[moonslav59]

Wish they could keep Brock but he will want too much money and they are cutting payroll. He is a glue guy but not a full time starter. I think he is gone. Maybe they can sign his son to a futures contract.

 

They are not trying to get to $180M.

 

If they lose JBJ and JD, we'll have money to spend, and Bloom seems to like low to mid ranged FA signings, and maybe he likes Holt.

 

I have no idea, if he does or not, but he could be back.

[cp176]

I can't say I like Chaim . That question is irrelevant. Given Henry's track record on Chiefs of Baseball Operations/GMs, I don't see him lasting any longer than any of his predecessors. I'd be shocked if Chaim has the usual 5 years to "turn things around"

 

Interesting. My responses about Chaim have more to do with what I have recently read as well as what the rays have done. I really don't know much about him. I suspect much of the "I love this hire" has as much to do with some just not agreeing with the way DD put our current team together. It's human nature to like anyone who happens to agree with you and your own personal views. I'll give any GM the benefit of the doubt but I don't get to excited about any individual who doesn't actually play the game.

[Bellhorn04]

I'll give any GM the benefit of the doubt but I don't get to excited about any individual who doesn't actually play the game.

 

But like it or not, it's the GM's who deliver the guys who play the game.

[Elktonnick]

My underlining point is not meant to impugn Chain, the Red Sox could hire the greatest GM of all time and it wouldn't change a thing,. My point is that Henry has demonstrated that he will dismiss anyone at any time if it suits his purposes at that point in time. Such a dismissal should not be taken as statement as to competency but rather as a statement of one's utility to Henry. In other words, if Red Sox officials want loyalty then they should get a dog.

[Bellhorn04]

My underlining point is not meant to impugn Chain, the Red Sox could hire the greatest GM of all time and it wouldn't change a thing,. My point is that Henry has demonstrated that he will dismiss anyone at any time if it suits his purposes at that point in time. Such a dismissal should not be taken as statement as to competency but rather as a statement of one's utility to Henry. In other words, if Red Sox officials want loyalty then they should get a dog.

 

Theo Epstein was here 9 years, and it's not really clear that he couldn't have stayed on longer if that's what he wanted.

[cp176]

But like it or not, it's the GM's who deliver the guys who play the game.

 

yup - I'm pulling for him to keep building upon our most recent success. Hope he makes decisions that continue to improve us going forward.

[iortiz]

Well he is young but his track record in TB speaks volumes.

 

Hopefully somehow he can rebuild while keeping a competitive product on the field.

[Tedballgame]

Well he is young but his track record in TB speaks volumes.

 

Hopefully somehow he can rebuild while keeping a competitive product on the field.

That is what everyone wants. By competitive, I hope you mean make the playoffs because two or three more years with no playoffs isn't going to sit well with Sox Nation. I'd be happy if they could get rid of Price and his whiny attitude.

[Slasher9]

he's stuck with SPE. i dont see him being able to do anything there without having to eat $$ and that is not happening.

the other P (porcello) is gone.

the other E (Erod) makes 4 starters on the books for 2020.

the question is....will the 5th starter now be an opener?

i will wait until JD makes his decision before noting our position player holes to be filled.

due to reset demand by JH, Relief Pitching will be exactly like 2019. cheap, cheap, and cheap. i expect C-BOOM to pull the trigger on a number of dirt cheap, lightning in a bottle, bounceback type signings for RPing.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"Relief Pitching will be exactly like 2019. cheap, cheap, and cheap. i expect C-BOOM to pull the trigger on a number of dirt cheap, lightning in a bottle, bounceback type signings for RPing."

 

I totally agree. As Moon said, almost all the big name relievers on the last market sucked. Last offseason reporters were all touting the Yankees' as the architects of the greatest bullpen in history, but I couldn't see it. They basically replaced Robertson with Ottavino. Chapman, Britton, Kahnle, Green -- all had better campaigns before this year.

 

In the past, the all-time best bullpens were anchored by the all-time best closers: Rivera, with lefty-righty set-up men like Stanton and Jeff Nelson... or Eckerlsy, with Honeycutt and Gene Nelson. Eck had one year with more saves than base-runners allowed; that'll get it done.

 

Lately, very few arms don't wear out by season's end, necessitating bullpen depth where quantity supersedes quality. Maybe the trend changes with the new three-batter minimum.

[Slasher9]

Lately, very few arms don't wear out by season's end, necessitating bullpen depth where quantity supersedes quality. Maybe the trend changes with the new three-batter minimum.

 

good point. i completely forgot about the 3 batter minimum next year. the LOOGY is dead....

[moonslav59]

good point. i completely forgot about the 3 batter minimum next year. the LOOGY is dead....

 

Now that the Loogy is all but dead, does this mean managers will not go lefty-right with their line-ups as much as before?

[moonslav59]

"Relief Pitching will be exactly like 2019. cheap, cheap, and cheap. i expect C-BOOM to pull the trigger on a number of dirt cheap, lightning in a bottle, bounceback type signings for RPing."

 

I totally agree. As Moon said, almost all the big name relievers on the last market sucked. Last offseason reporters were all touting the Yankees' as the architects of the greatest bullpen in history, but I couldn't see it. They basically replaced Robertson with Ottavino. Chapman, Britton, Kahnle, Green -- all had better campaigns before this year.

 

In the past, the all-time best bullpens were anchored by the all-time best closers: Rivera, with lefty-righty set-up men like Stanton and Jeff Nelson... or Eckerlsy, with Honeycutt and Gene Nelson. Eck had one year with more saves than base-runners allowed; that'll get it done.

 

Lately, very few arms don't wear out by season's end, necessitating bullpen depth where quantity supersedes quality. Maybe the trend changes with the new three-batter minimum.

 

Maybe this year's playoff teams will swing the pendulum back towards the realization that 3-4 good SP'ers are more valuable then a boatload of RP'ers.

[Bellhorn04]

Now that the Loogy is all but dead, does this mean managers will not go lefty-right with their line-ups as much as before?

 

They will do less of it, I would agree. But obviously they still won't like having 3 same-side guys in a row.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe this year's playoff teams will swing the pendulum back towards the realization that 3-4 good SP'ers are more valuable then a boatload of RP'ers.

 

Or with next year's rules, maybe Bloom stockpiles 8 mid-level starters to go only 3 or 4 three innings apiece, with two each working every four days in a consistent rotation, and a four-man pen, with two guys splitting the 8th and 9th every other day. Starters would target one time through the order, go all out and never have to pace themselves, with close to the usual days of rest in between.

 

Sooner or later, though, the MLB has to modify the official scoring of how a starter is eligible to be credited with a victory (like Moon points out, the only staffs left in the bigs where starters go five anymore are in the World Series).

[notin]

Or with next year's rules, maybe Bloom stockpiles 8 mid-level starters to go only 3 or 4 three innings apiece, with two each working every four days in a consistent rotation, and a four-man pen, with two guys splitting the 8th and 9th every other day. Starters would target one time through the order, go all out and never have to pace themselves, with close to the usual days of rest in between.

 

Sooner or later, though, the MLB has to modify the official scoring of how a starter is eligible to be credited with a victory (like Moon points out, the only staffs left in the bigs where starters go five anymore are in the World Series).

 

That does say something about the season long effectiveness of the opener strategy...

[Jack Flap]

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10/boston-red-sox-hire-chaim-bloom-is-new-chief-baseball-officer-title-meaningful.html

 

Interesting that O'Halloran's role is expected to be similar to how Bloom operated under Neander in Tampa Bay (which, by all accounts, involved a great deal of power and influence across the organization for the former). Doesn't sound like the GM position is going to be a mere figurehead this time around.

[Kimmi]

This makes me like him even more, Kimmi.

 

Epstein, Cherington, Dombrowski, Bloom

 

One of these things is not like the other.

One of these things doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the other,

Before the time I finish my song?

[Bellhorn04]

Epstein, Cherington, Dombrowski, Bloom

 

One of these things is not like the other.

One of these things doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the other,

Before the time I finish my song?

 

Poor Dave. No respect.

[Kimmi]

Now that the Loogy is all but dead, does this mean managers will not go lefty-right with their line-ups as much as before?

 

I think they will continue the L-R thing. If a reliever has to face at least 3 batters, you still don't want that reliever being able to face all same handed hitters.

[Kimmi]

Poor Dave. No respect.

 

Not true. In fairness to myself, I have given Dave a lot of credit for the moves he made in the 2018 and beyond. In fact, I have often defended him recently when others have been critical of him.

 

It is no secret that I am not a Dombrowski fan because I very much disagree with his approach. But I gave him credit and praise where I thought it was due.