Annnnnnd the Yankees choke

[moonslav59]

Yankee fan want Gerrit Cole. Cole reportedly wants the west coast.

 

So maybe Madison Bumgarner as the consolation prize...

 

Strasburg?

[notin]

Strasburg?

 

Another option. If he opts out...

[Kimmi]

How many new threads are there on the Yankees losing?

 

I can't keep up!

 

It's a popular topic.

[Swiharts Ghost]

It's a popular topic.

 

Stras seems like he would fold in NY .Talented no doubt but seems like a cream puff

[jacksonianmarch]

Stras seems like he would fold in NY .Talented no doubt but seems like a cream puff

 

He has one of the best ERA's in postseason history

[notin]

He has one of the best ERA's in postseason history

 

Strasburg has had an excellent career all around. But as he came out of college with all kinds of hype and isn't in among the handful of best pitchers in MLB, he gets viewed as a disappointment and, possibly by some, a bust.

 

I wish the Sox had disappointing prospects like Strasburg...

[jacksonianmarch]

Strasbourg’s only disappointment has been injuries

[notin]

Strasbourg’s only disappointment has been injuries

 

Exactly, and even then. it's not like this guy has missed multiple seasons and rarely shown up for work or seen diminished ability. He's not Dylan Bundy...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Strasburg has had an excellent career all around. But as he came out of college with all kinds of hype and isn't in among the handful of best pitchers in MLB, he gets viewed as a disappointment and, possibly by some, a bust.

 

I wish the Sox had disappointing prospects like Strasburg...

 

I almost said I wish we had a number one pick to use on a pitcher like Strasburg or Cole, but don't think we'd enjoy the season that would get us there. The Sox highest-picked pitcher was a bust at No. 7, but it should be noted that Houston's path to power wasn't flawless, either. They had three straight Number Ones and whiffed on two of them -- hurlers who never made the majors; Correa was the other. The Stros were also bad enough to get a No. 2: Bregman (who the Sox drafted way lower a few years before), No. 5: Tucker, and No. 11: Springer.

[notin]

I almost said I wish we had a number one pick to use on a pitcher like Strasburg or Cole, but don't think we'd enjoy the season that would get us there. The Sox highest-picked pitcher was a bust at No. 7, but it should be noted that Houston's path to power wasn't flawless, either. They had three straight Number Ones and whiffed on two of them -- hurlers who never made the majors; Correa was the other. The Stros were also bad enough to get a No. 2: Bregman (who the Sox drafted way lower a few years before), No. 5: Tucker, and No. 11: Springer.

 

And Correa wasn't the most obvious number one overall pick. He was in the discussion, but so were Kevin Gausman, Kevin Zimmer and Mark Appel (who Houston later drafted #1 overall and was one of those whiffs you alluded to). But Correa was considered the easiest to sign of the three, and the Astros used that savings to afford Lance McCullers with their next pick.

 

It also helped that Correa actually worked out better than anyone else taken early in that draft...

[tombirner]

Couldn't see that one coming ....ohhhh wait yes I did Jackson .

 

The Yankees didn't choke, they got smoked by a better team.

[Swiharts Ghost]

They choked period .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Listen you do not want that cream puff in the AL east meat grinder he's good as a mid market guy .Put that guy in NY and having to face Ray's ,Boston and an emerging Toronto lol that guy folds ....hell same for Cole .just an opinion .Say he's the next Clemens and please get him .

[harmony]

Listen you do not want that cream puff in the AL east meat grinder he's good as a mid market guy .Put that guy in NY and having to face Ray's ,Boston and an emerging Toronto lol that guy folds ....hell same for Cole .just an opinion .Say he's the next Clemens and please get him .

The "AL east meat grinder" finished with a cumulative record below .500 this year while the far tougher American League West finished 34 games above .500.

 

AL West teams scored more runs than their AL East counterparts.

[jacksonianmarch]

Harmony, you keep pushing this narrative and while the overall record backs you up, it’s entirely due to the presence of Baltimore. Also, the ALE had three teams over .500 while the ALW only had two. After the break, the ALW was a two dog race with Texas and ANA freefalling like nobody’s business

[notin]

The "AL east meat grinder" finished with a cumulative record below .500 this year while the far tougher American League West finished 34 games above .500.

 

AL West teams scored more runs than their AL East counterparts.

 

Maybe the AL West hitters feasted on those weaker AL West pitchers....

[harmony]

Harmony, you keep pushing this narrative and while the overall record backs you up, it’s entirely due to the presence of Baltimore. Also, the ALE had three teams over .500 while the ALW only had two. After the break, the ALW was a two dog race with Texas and ANA freefalling like nobody’s business

Precisely. Good (and mediocre) teams in the AL East inflated their records playing upwards of 18 games against the Baltimore Orioles.

 

The Rangers and Angels experienced a free fall by going through the second-half meat-grinder of the Astros (50-22, .694) and the Athletics (46-24, .657).

 

At the end of the day AL East teams were .500 in intradivisional play but below .500 outside the division. AL West clubs were .500 in intradivisional play but 34 games above .500 outside the division.

[Slasher9]

The "AL east meat grinder" finished with a cumulative record below .500 this year while the far tougher American League West finished 34 games above .500.

 

AL West teams scored more runs than their AL East counterparts.

 

pick any AL West team and put them in the East and they will be a .500 team. Houston included.

AL East > AL Central > AL West

[Bellhorn04]

pick any AL West team and put them in the East and they will be a .500 team. Houston included.

 

You gotta be kidding.

[notin]

pick any AL West team and put them in the East and they will be a .500 team. Houston included.

AL East > AL Central > AL West

 

Houston did win the season series against 4 of the 5 East teams, with their only losing record against Tampa at 3-4...

[Bellhorn04]

Houston did win the season series against 4 of the 5 East teams, with their only losing record against Tampa at 3-4...

 

Plus 7-4 against the Rays & Yanks in the postseason.

[Slasher9]

You gotta be kidding.

 

kidding. or not.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I avoided this thread while I was still emotionally healing from that nut stomp of a walk-off HR. But now that I've regrouped, I think the biggest reason for our loss against the Astros was our hitting. Yes I realize the starters didn't pitch deep into games which forced the bullpen to be overworked, but overall the Yankees still held the Astros deep lineup to 22 runs in 6 games. Playing against a juggernaut of a team like them with 3 games in their own stadium as well as 3 in a hitter friendly YS, I don't know if you could have asked much more going into the series.

 

On the hitting side though, the Yankees were atrocious when they had men on base. Their batting line with RISP? .171/.310/.286. Houston wasn't much better in those situations but they were able to come up with a few more big hits than the Yankees.

 

So in summation, our pitching wasn't perfect but kept us in almost every game whereas our hitting is what I feel really cost us. I will now revert back to football mode. Go Packers.

Edited October 23, 2019 by bkzwhitestrican

[harmony]

pick any AL West team and put them in the East and they will be a .500 team. Houston included.

AL East > AL Central > AL West

That's backwards.

 

The "freefalling" Rangers and Angels were 35-32 (.522) against AL East teams and 63-89 (.414) against AL West teams.

[Slasher9]

That's backwards.

 

The "freefalling" Rangers and Angels were 35-32 (.522) against AL East teams and 63-89 (.414) against AL West teams.

 

W-L records are random.

 

ALE > ALC > ALW

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

While not a fan of either team, I don't classify as an impartial observer, as I was a Red Sox fan naturally rooting for the Astros. The Yankee bats went cold, true, but Houston's were worse:

Astros' failure with RISP bordering on 'historic'

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The Astros had the best offense in the Majors this year, leading in batting average (.274), on-base percentage (.352), slugging percentage (.495), lowest strikeout rate (18.2%), highest walk rate (10.1%), Weighted On-Base Average (.355) and wRC+ (125), and that's actually underselling it a bit. They weren't just the best offense

 

Two walkoff HRs were just clutch enough to take the pennant, but the offensive difference for the winners may have just come down to fortune or timing -- having more men on base for more of their dingers. The Astros really beat NY on D and on the bases, with moments like Correa throwing out DJ, and several key plays in the finale. Judge played great in right, Didi was good, but otherwise... And the Yanks may have to admit winning a ring is unlikely with Sanchez behind the dish. At least against Boston, NY always seems better with Romine catching (this is coming from a fan who also thinks Vazquez is overrated defensively).