Red Sox have fired GM Dave Dombrowski

[S5Dewey]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27923015/rays-chaim-bloom-favorite-become-red-sox-general-manager

 

A really interesting idea, if true. Bloom has a good name around baseball circles and clearly has a lot of experience at this point in front offices.

 

The Rays are the same sort of progressive front office the Sox had been in the middle of the decade - so going this direction makes sense. Also obviously Tampa has had to make numerous difficult calls in budget crunches, so that makes sense too.

 

What could be a real sea change is the view of pitching. Epstein and Cherington were very suspicious of the risk level associated with amateur pitchers, and strongly favored the easier predictability associated with position players - and used other means to add pitching to the org. Tampa of course has been one of the real bright lights in the league at drafting and developing pitching and have not shied away from the risk. Neither approach is wrong - and both fit their environments and ballparks, but it could be a real shift. Certainly the Red Sox need more pitching in any case.

 

Hmmm... It seems like about a week ago I asked the question here in regards to making trades, WWTBD? Maybe we'll find out!

[harmony]

The Los Angeles Angels are rumored to be interested in former Red Sox exec Dave Dombrowski:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/angels-rumors-dave-dombroswki-general-manager-billy-eppler.html

[Larry Cook]

The Los Angeles Angels are rumored to be interested in former Red Sox exec Dave Dombrowski:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/angels-rumors-dave-dombroswki-general-manager-billy-eppler.html

 

They have now reached the bottom of the barrel. All they need to do is launch madden and hire valentine and desperate Dave!

[mvp 78]

The Los Angeles Angels are rumored to be interested in former Red Sox exec Dave Dombrowski:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/angels-rumors-dave-dombroswki-general-manager-billy-eppler.html

The Nashville gig must have no traction.

[Nick]

They have now reached the bottom of the barrel. All they need to do is launch madden and hire valentine and desperate Dave!

 

I'm good with 3 first place finishes and a World Championship on the heels of 3 out of 4 last place finishes.

 

Name names...what superstars did he trade away?

[cp176]

I'm good with 3 first place finishes and a World Championship on the heels of 3 out of 4 last place finishes.

 

Name names...what superstars did he trade away?

 

Can you get away with posting this here? You clearly have not been educated with respect to what this one man did to destroy all of the hard work of the GM's that came before him. lol

He did an excellent job for us and I think that Bloom likely will as well.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm good with 3 first place finishes and a World Championship on the heels of 3 out of 4 last place finishes.

 

Name names...what superstars did he trade away?

 

I'm not sure there's a single player Dave traded who's having a good year in 2020.

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure there's a single player Dave traded who's having a good year in 2020.

 

True, and the weird thing is neither are most of the guys he got back.

[Bellhorn04]

True, and the weird thing is neither are most of the guys he got back.

 

With the unlikely exception of Pomeranz.

[Nick]

More likely that Sox had many top prospects that didn't pan out. Our 7th pick, Trey Ball for example. You need a major league player when drafting that high.

 

Let's see how Bloom does with next year's 1st round pick. I like the guy. Kimmi, will he be another Theo?

[moonslav59]

With the unlikely exception of Pomeranz.

 

I hadn't noticed, but yes! WOW! (Only 17 IP, though.)

[notin]

I'm not sure there's a single player Dave traded who's having a good year in 2020.

 

Well, that could be because the best player he traded away had COVID 19 and has been slow to recover....

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure there's a single player Dave traded who's having a good year in 2020.

 

With the ChiSox playing well, I just assumed Moncada was continuing to improve. Nope...

[mvp 78]

I hadn't noticed, but yes! WOW! (Only 17 IP, though.)

 

In 18 appearances. Seems that he's pitching well out of the pen. Maybe that's his best utilization?

[notin]

With the ChiSox playing well, I just assumed Moncada was continuing to improve. Nope...

 

Cut him some slack

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/white-soxs-yoan-moncada-on-covid-19-definitely-my-body-hasnt-felt-the-same-after-the-virus/

[mvp 78]

I just saw that. I had no idea. You think with all the COVID talk on here that we would have mentioned it. Maybe we were more concerned with ERod's case?

[notin]

I just saw that. I had no idea. You think with all the COVID talk on here that we would have mentioned it. Maybe we were more concerned with ERod's case?

 

Especially since ERod's case might be worse. For everything Moncada has still wrong with him, I don't think he has been diagnosed with myocarditis.

 

 

 

(Also I did mention it at least once before when dgalehouse tried to point out that Moncada was nothing special after his performance this year.)

[mvp 78]

Especially since ERod's case might be worse. For everything Moncada has still wrong with him, I don't think he has been diagnosed with myocarditis.

 

 

 

(Also I did mention it at least once before when dgalehouse tried to point out that Moncada was nothing special after his performance this year.)

 

I only read posts from 8AM - 4PM. Everything else goes by the wayside for the most part.

[notin]

I only read posts from 8AM - 4PM. Everything else goes by the wayside for the most part.

 

Noted. I will limit my Macho Duck links accordingly...

[Bellhorn04]

Well, that could be because the best player he traded away had COVID 19 and has been slow to recover....

 

Moncada did have a fine year in 2019.

 

Now, if we're playing the farm builder Ben vs. farm destroyer DD game, it must be noted that Moncada was a guy that we only got because of the big checkbook of Mr. Henry. He cost $62 million, $31 million of which was a penalty, I believe.

[dgalehouse]

I think the question is : Would the Red Sox have been better off if Dombrowski did not make the trades that he did ? To me the answer is a resounding , " No Way . " Knowing what we knew then and what we know now , I would absolutely make the trades all over again.

[notin]

I think the question is : Would the Red Sox have been better off if Dombrowski did not make the trades that he did ? To me the answer is a resounding , " No Way . " Knowing what we knew then and what we know now , I would absolutely make the trades all over again.

 

Oh they would be better now. But we would not have had 2018. Or really, 2016 and 2017.

 

Whether or not you like Logan Allen or Michael Kopech or Yoan Moncada isn't the question, because I think we can agree they are at least as good as Michael Kickham, Jeffrey Springs, and Jose Peraza. The biggest question was if there was a possibility of being better now and still having those years...

[moonslav59]

I think the question is : Would the Red Sox have been better off if Dombrowski did not make the trades that he did ? To me the answer is a resounding , " No Way . " Knowing what we knew then and what we know now , I would absolutely make the trades all over again.

 

That is a good question, and the hindsight does seem to say "NO WAY," if you figure we needed the trades to get the 2018 ring. (I think we did-many of them, anyways.)

 

It's hard to imagine us winning it all without everyone he added, but one could easily argue we might have without several of the moves. Some players weren't even all that good in 2018, and some did poorly in the playoffs.

 

Although almost all the prospects we traded are having bad seasons, this year, their control time is still going on many of them.

 

If one can argue we could have won without Sale, then surely one could think we'd be better off with Moncada and Kopech, even if we might have traded them, later, for something good.

 

I'd like to have Margot and Allen, now, but neither looks all that great, now. Kimbrel did great for us, but we likely would have made the 2018 playoffs without him and his playoff performance left a lot to be desired.

 

Pomeranz did very little in 2018, and could easily be viewed as a negative that year, but Esperanza has been hurt forever. I'd still like to have Espi in our system than not.

 

The Thornburg and Smith deals looked good, at the time, but if we are looking in hindsight, they did not work out. I'd like to have Dubon, and Travis Shaw played well for a stretch after the deal.

 

I see what DD did. He went for broke and built a team that could win despite having off seasons or horrific playoff performances from several stars. That's one way to insure a ring- overkill. I said all along, I was fine with what he was doing as long as we got a ring, and we did, so I'm not going to roast him for doing it. However, I also knew at the time, that he was sacrificing our future for a 4-5 year window. I was fine with that then, despite the fact that we didn't really get 5 great years. We got the ring, and DD was a big part of getting it.

 

I'm not going to sugar coat the fact that he's also a big part of why we are where we are now- the cliff.

 

It is what it is.

 

It was what it was.

[Bellhorn04]

Oh they would be better now. But we would not have had 2018. Or really, 2016 and 2017.

 

Whether or not you like Logan Allen or Michael Kopech or Yoan Moncada isn't the question, because I think we can agree they are at least as good as Michael Kickham, Jeffrey Springs, and Jose Peraza. The biggest question was if there was a possibility of being better now and still having those years...

 

But saying Allen is better than Kickham and Springs is like saying s*** with whipped cream on top tastes better than plain s***.

[moonslav59]

Oh they would be better now. But we would not have had 2018. Or really, 2016 and 2017.

 

Whether or not you like Logan Allen or Michael Kopech or Yoan Moncada isn't the question, because I think we can agree they are at least as good as Michael Kickham, Jeffrey Springs, and Jose Peraza. The biggest question was if there was a possibility of being better now and still having those years...

 

That's a more revealing question, to me, and gets at the crux of how to view DD's legacy.

[moonslav59]

But saying Allen is better than Kickham and Springs is like saying s*** with whipped cream on top tastes better than plain s***.

 

Allen and Kopech offer much better hope, but we won't know what they do for years to come.

 

It's funny, to me, how all those past prospects are now viewed as s***, but the ones we have now are gold.

 

Two weeks ago, who would have said no to a Houck for Kopech trade?

[dgalehouse]

My unemployed grand nephew , Vinnie , is better than Kickham and Springs.

[notin]

But saying Allen is better than Kickham and Springs is like saying s*** with whipped cream on top tastes better than plain s***.

 

Logan Allen is 23 years old. There is actually a really good chance that the first 35 innings - and that is all he has at the MLB level - of his career are actually not representative of the remainder of his career.

 

Michael Kickham is 31 years old. There is a really good chance thatt he first 42 innings - and again, that is all he has - are actually going to get worse if he ever pitches in MLB again.

 

So your analogy really isn't very good, unless you think s*** with whipped cream will taste better if you leave it out longer...

[Bellhorn04]

Allen and Kopech offer much better hope, but we won't know what they do for years to come.

 

It's funny, to me, how all those past prospects are now viewed as s***, but the ones we have now are gold.

 

Two weeks ago, who would have said no to a Houck for Kopech trade?

 

Nobody said anything about Kopech, at least I certainly didn't. He was a highly rated prospect.

[mvp 78]

Logan Allen is 23 years old. There is actually a really good chance that the first 35 innings - and that is all he has at the MLB level - of his career are actually not representative of the remainder of his career.

 

Michael Kickham is 31 years old. There is a really good chance thatt he first 42 innings - and again, that is all he has - are actually going to get worse if he ever pitches in MLB again.

 

So your analogy really isn't very good, unless you think s*** with whipped cream will taste better if you leave it out longer...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tom-glavine/90/stats?position=P

 

Not sure why Braves kept Glavine around after that first year.