A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[Tedballgame]

Mulitple people reporting that the Sox will not add Benintendi to any Price trade so we can put that one to bed.

[jacksonianmarch]

Unless the sox had a plan for the $31 mil the sox would shed (or likely less), then adding cheap and young talent to off load him is dumb

[Carpin]

OK. so this July you do it then? i am confused on your stance.

 

Torres is not a prospect anymore, if one part is missing I'd place almost everybody on the table for him. If the price is right go for it

[jacksonianmarch]

Torres is not a prospect anymore, if one part is missing I'd place almost everybody on the table for him. If the price is right go for it

 

Outside of an injury to Cole, in the offseason, there is literally no hole that would necessitate such a desperate decision now

[harmony]

Mulitple people reporting that the Sox will not add Benintendi to any Price trade so we can put that one to bed.

Sources?

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=price+benintendi&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS816US816&sxsrf=ACYBGNSr8g2_1dlZI5WMSLRo9jRvvGT9sQ:1576186831333&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPobnBibHmAhWOVs0KHY2xB1gQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1366&bih=625

[jacksonianmarch]

Just read the mlb.com piece on the sox and their plans. The sox are currently $19.4 mil over the final threshold. JBJ won't be enough to reset this year

[Bellhorn04]

Sources?

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=price+benintendi&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS816US816&sxsrf=ACYBGNSr8g2_1dlZI5WMSLRo9jRvvGT9sQ:1576186831333&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPobnBibHmAhWOVs0KHY2xB1gQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1366&bih=625

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-red-sox-padres-wil-myerss.html

[harmony]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-red-sox-padres-wil-myerss.html

Thanks.

[Bellhorn04]

Just read the mlb.com piece on the sox and their plans. The sox are currently $19.4 mil over the final threshold. JBJ won't be enough to reset this year

 

They have to trade JBJ and Price, at minimum.

[jacksonianmarch]

They have to trade JBJ and Price, at minimum.

 

They "may" be able to offload JBJ without including money, although I do wonder if the decision to tender him was a bad one. I do wonder how much of Price's deal they'd have to eat. To get under the window, the sox would need to offload $8.5 mil of Price's deal to sneak under after dealing off JBJ. They would need to return no major league talent above minimum money and would need to not replace Price. As bad as Price was last year, replacing him with a Brian Johnson will destroy the sox chances of being relevant. That being said, there is a quote that Bloom made that makes me wonder about the rebuild.

 

Bloom is quoted in the mlbtr piece as saying “But so much of what we’re always going to be trying to accomplish, but certainly now, is to make sure we have as strong a farm system as possible.”

 

This is obvious for any team, but saying this for a team that is offloading salary speaks towards a tear down

[mvp 78]

They have to trade JBJ and Price, at minimum.

 

And Betts and Eovaldi and Beni and ERod and...

 

Team needs a whole teardown and won’t compete for decades!

 

-wacko Jacko

[jacksonianmarch]

And Betts and Eovaldi and Beni and ERod and...

 

Team needs a whole teardown and won’t compete for decades!

 

-wacko Jacko

 

I just posted in another thread that Bloom might shave it down to 2 seasons, so clearly that is not the path I am getting behind.

[harmony]

They have to trade JBJ and Price, at minimum.

A trade of David Price for Wil Myers makes too much sense with the annual $17+ million AAV savings for luxury tax purposes. Myers may not be an attractive return but his AAV provides a heightened benefit to the Sox.

 

Perhaps the San Diego Padres would balk at the deal.

 

Or not.

[Bellhorn04]

They "may" be able to offload JBJ without including money, although I do wonder if the decision to tender him was a bad one. I do wonder how much of Price's deal they'd have to eat. To get under the window, the sox would need to offload $8.5 mil of Price's deal to sneak under after dealing off JBJ. They would need to return no major league talent above minimum money and would need to not replace Price. As bad as Price was last year, replacing him with a Brian Johnson will destroy the sox chances of being relevant. That being said, there is a quote that Bloom made that makes me wonder about the rebuild.

 

Bloom is quoted in the mlbtr piece as saying “But so much of what we’re always going to be trying to accomplish, but certainly now, is to make sure we have as strong a farm system as possible.”

 

This is obvious for any team, but saying this for a team that is offloading salary speaks towards a tear down

 

He said that in reference to the idea of including any prospects to facilitate a trade of Price.

 

My take is that they want to accomplish the payroll cutting without losing prospects in the process. That doesn't equate to a tear down.

[Tedballgame]

A trade of David Price for Wil Myers makes too much sense with the annual $17+ million AAV savings for luxury tax purposes. Myers may not be an attractive return but his AAV provides a heightened benefit to the Sox.

 

Perhaps the San Diego Padres would balk at the deal.

 

Or not.

Sox don't want Wil Myers. He doesn't hit for average and strikes out a ton. His defense is also below average. No, No, No!

[Tedballgame]

Sox with a solid, low cost signing of Jose Peraza. He can play multiple positions, including 2B, and he hits lefties. I like it.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR on Price Trade

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-red-sox-padres-wil-myerss.html

[moonslav59]

Outside of an injury to Cole, in the offseason, there is literally no hole that would necessitate such a desperate decision now

 

Famous last words.

[harmony]

Sox don't want Wil Myers. He doesn't hit for average and strikes out a ton. His defense is also below average. No, No, No!

And the San Diego Padres don't want David Price, certainly not with a $96 million price tag.

 

According to Baseball Trade Values, a trade of David Price and Jackie Bradley Jr. to San Diego for Wil Myers and Manual Margot would be a moderate overpay for the Padres:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

... but would apparently get the Red Sox under the luxury tax threshold, avoiding up to $100 million in long-range consequences:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/12/10/here-what-red-sox-would-face-they-don-get-under-luxury-tax-threshold-this-year/PCjGCkeVgdj23kGMUN4aaL/story.html

[notin]

A trade of David Price for Wil Myers makes too much sense with the annual $17+ million AAV savings for luxury tax purposes. Myers may not be an attractive return but his AAV provides a heightened benefit to the Sox.

 

Perhaps the San Diego Padres would balk at the deal.

 

Or not.

 

San Diego was paying Myers $5mill per year. Now in the last 3 years, he is due $22.5mill each year. He is also their fifth outfielder and highest paid outfielder.

 

They will not balk on any deal...

Edited December 13, 2019 by notin

[notin]

And the San Diego Padres don't want David Price, certainly not with a $96 million price tag.

 

 

 

Source?

[Tedballgame]

Sox fans need to be patient. Bloom is good and he will make some creative moves. The team will look a lot different at the end of January from what it is now.

[harmony]

The Red Sox reportedly have signed lefthander Martin Perez to a one-year, $6 million contract with a $6.25 million option for a second year:

 

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=perez-011mar

 

Will the Sox make a move to get under the luxury tax threshold?

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox have added $9 mil in guarantees today. Now they will need to shed $28 mil from the docket to get under

[Larry Cook]

Price and devers to Atlanta for most of their top 10 prospects and we are gold.

 

Ps: Martinez to Texas for a bag of used baseballs and bloom can go shopping!

[Tedballgame]

Sox have added $9 mil in guarantees today. Now they will need to shed $28 mil from the docket to get under

Duh! Don't you think they realize that Captain Obvious?

[harmony]

Duh! Don't you think they realize that Captain Obvious?

The offered numbers are welcome here.

[Slasher9]

Outside of an injury to Cole, in the offseason, there is literally no hole that would necessitate such a desperate decision now

 

we were having a discussion about the trading deadline. specifically the 2019 deadline when the obvious need was SP but was not addressed.

thanks tho.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Slasher9

[Slasher9]

Torres is not a prospect anymore, if one part is missing I'd place almost everybody on the table for him. If the price is right go for it

 

right. but my point was that last July the NYY had one very obvious and glaring weakness. i could even make an argument that if they had addressed that weakness by trading part of the Farm you guys would be raising a Flag on opening day. nothing was done last July so i was wondering what would make this July so Different? i still haven't seen a good reply / reason. dont get me wrong...i am thrilled cashman sat on his hands last July. shocked. but thrilled. it sealed your 2019 fate.

[notin]

right. but my point was that last July the NYY had one very obvious and glaring weakness. i could even make an argument that if they had addressed that weakness by trading part of the Farm you guys would be raising a Flag on opening day. nothing was done last July so i was wondering what would make this July so Different? i still haven't seen a good reply / reason. dont get me wrong...i am thrilled cashman sat on his hands last July. shocked. but thrilled. it sealed your 2019 fate.

 

Cashman has been hoarding prospects and making big signings to fill gaps.

 

Cashman = Cherington