Eovaldi to join bullpen this weekend

[dgalehouse]

I certainly hope not. If he doesn't return to starting, that will be a very ill-advised contract.

 

Kimmi , Personally , I think a really good closer is more valuable and harder to find than a 4.00 plus ERA , win one / lose one , number five type starter . And that's basically what Eovaldi has been in his career . The contract is signed , sealed and delivered . Nothing can be done about it now . It probably was ill advised to give a contract like that to a guy with his history .

Edited July 21, 2019 by dgalehouse

[devildavid]

If Eovaldi is going to be strictly used as a closer we may not see too much of him.

[Nick]

If Eovaldi is going to be strictly used as a closer we may not see too much of him.

 

Well done, sir.

[Nick]

Not to be an ass (yeah I am), to my Red Sox...

 

YUCK!....YUCK!....YUCK!.. Our offense is that fighter keeps hitting the guy after he's knocked out but soon as we take a blow from a good fighter, we quit punching. YUCK!

[notin]

Kimmi , Personally , I think a really good closer is more valuable and harder to find than a 4.00 plus ERA , win one / lose one , number five type starter . And that's basically what Eovaldi has been in his career . The contract is signed , sealed and delivered . Nothing can be done about it now . It probably was ill advised to give a contract like that to a guy with his history .

 

If he’s such a common talent as a starter, what makes you think he’ll excel as a closer?

[dgalehouse]

If he’s such a common talent as a starter, what makes you think he’ll excel as a closer?

 

I think he will be able to go all out for an inning and be overpowering . I guess we will find out soon enough .

[notin]

I think he will be able to go all out for an inning and be overpowering . I guess we will find out soon enough .

 

He always seemed like kind of a freak who was going all in on every pitch rather than pacing himself, which would explain the arm injuries...

[TylerD]

Not to be an ass (yeah I am), to my Red Sox...

 

YUCK!....YUCK!....YUCK!.. Our offense is that fighter keeps hitting the guy after he's knocked out but soon as we take a blow from a good fighter, we quit punching. YUCK!

How the hell is this offense going to do against Tampa’s pitching??? We might never get a run

[moonslav59]

How the hell is this offense going to do against Tampa’s pitching??? We might never get a run

 

We always score big after being shut down. (And vice versa.)

[a700hitter]

We always score big after being shut down. (And vice versa.)

It does seem that way.

[TylerD]

If Eovaldi is going to be strictly used as a closer we may not see too much of him.

 

With back to back to back to back series against Tampa and New York he is going to have an extended rest.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi , Personally , I think a really good closer is more valuable and harder to find than a 4.00 plus ERA , win one / lose one , number five type starter . And that's basically what Eovaldi has been in his career . The contract is signed , sealed and delivered . Nothing can be done about it now . It probably was ill advised to give a contract like that to a guy with his history .

 

We disagree on the value of a starter, even a back end starter, over a reliever. I am not saying that having a good bullpen is not important. I'm just saying that the bullpen is not the place to concentrate your resources.

[a700hitter]

We disagree on the value of a starter, even a back end starter, over a reliever. I am not saying that having a good bullpen is not important. I'm just saying that the bullpen is not the place to concentrate your resources.

If the manager is going to stick to a strict pitch limit or an orthodoxy that doesn’t let a starter face an order the 3rd time through, you will need the bullpen 3 innings or more in most games. As such, the argument can be made that the bullpen is just as important as the starters. A starter can only affect the team once every 5th day. The bullpen guys pitch several times a week. Currently, 5 of our Bullpen guys are on track for 60 plus appearances and Hembree might also make that mark. Each of these substandard major league arms will influence team’s fortunes in twice the number of opportunities as any starter and the number of innings that the Bullpen has to eat is not insignificant. The days of starter going 8 innings and handing the ball to the closer are over. The pen needs to handle about half the innings of the starters and the drop off in talent from the starters to the pen is enormous. The importance of the pen is not so much less than that of the starters as you think. Today’s starters who rarely are pushed beyond 6 innings can’t mask a weak pen.

[dgalehouse]

I think Eovaldi should get a pass on last night's results. First time back and he obviously was not sharp . It might take a couple of appearances before he gets it in gear . Still think it's a good move .

[a700hitter]

I think Eovaldi should get a pass on last night's results. First time back and he obviously was not sharp . It might take a couple of appearances before he gets it in gear . Still think it's a good move .

The team desperately needs for this move to work.

[dgalehouse]

The team desperately needs for this move to work.

 

Yeah . I think getting a Yates or a Giles is a pipe dream . Too much competition out there .

[TylerD]

Eovaldi will work. Calm down people. It was one rusty start. He will bounce back to form eventually.

[Kimmi]

If the manager is going to stick to a strict pitch limit or an orthodoxy that doesn’t let a starter face an order the 3rd time through, you will need the bullpen 3 innings or more in most games. As such, the argument can be made that the bullpen is just as important as the starters. A starter can only affect the team once every 5th day. The bullpen guys pitch several times a week. Currently, 5 of our Bullpen guys are on track for 60 plus appearances and Hembree might also make that mark. Each of these substandard major league arms will influence team’s fortunes in twice the number of opportunities as any starter and the number of innings that the Bullpen has to eat is not insignificant. The days of starter going 8 innings and handing the ball to the closer are over. The pen needs to handle about half the innings of the starters and the drop off in talent from the starters to the pen is enormous. The importance of the pen is not so much less than that of the starters as you think. Today’s starters who rarely are pushed beyond 6 innings can’t mask a weak pen.

 

I have never said that a bullpen is not important. Never.

 

I have said that you don't need to spend big on a bullpen to get a very good one.

 

When the starters have thrown 50 fewer innings than they did last year at the same point, that's a problem.

[Kimmi]

I think Eovaldi should get a pass on last night's results. First time back and he obviously was not sharp . It might take a couple of appearances before he gets it in gear . Still think it's a good move .

 

I am certainly not judging Eovaldi by last night's appearance. I actually think he will be very good in the pen.

 

As a move to get him back sooner, it makes sense. As I posted elsewhere, Eovaldi in the pen is better than no Eovaldi. However, Eovaldi in the rotation is better than Eovaldi in the pen.

[Kimmi]

Eovaldi will work. Calm down people. It was one rusty start. He will bounce back to form eventually.

 

We are calm.

 

The game threaders, not so much.

[a700hitter]

I have never said that a bullpen is not important. Never.

 

I have said that you don't need to spend big on a bullpen to get a very good one.

 

When the starters have thrown 50 fewer innings than they did last year at the same point, that's a problem.

Biggest problem with the starters has been tha black hole in the 5th spot and Porcello (who is normally a reliable innings eater) is not doing the job.

 

I don’t care about how they spend their resources. All I know is that this is an inferior pen and in today’s game you cannot play sustained winning ball with a pen like this.

[oldtimer]

Biggest problem with the pen is the pen. Came very close to blowing another by not being able to handle the pressure.

[Kimmi]

Biggest problem with the starters has been tha black hole in the 5th spot and Porcello (who is normally a reliable innings eater) is not doing the job.

 

I don’t care about how they spend their resources. All I know is that this is an inferior pen and in today’s game you cannot play sustained winning ball with a pen like this.

 

I do not disagree that Porcello and the 5th spot have been the biggest problems in our rotation. However, they are not the only problems. Sale, Price, and ERod do not get free passes just because Porcello is doing worse.

 

Our pen needs help. Regardless of the whether we get pen help or not, we will not play sustained winning ball without improvement from the rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm willing to bet that Nathan sees some action today.

[oldtimer]

I'm willing to bet that Nathan sees some action today.

 

We have to use him. The velocity was there and the ball was moving. He just needs time afterbeing away so long. Put in his in less than critical situations for now until the rust goes away.

[Slasher9]

I'm willing to bet that Nathan sees some action today.

 

as a closer? or when we are up 8-0?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bellhorn04]

We have to use him. The velocity was there and the ball was moving. He just needs time afterbeing away so long. Put in his in less than critical situations for now until the rust goes away.

 

as a closer? or when we are up 8-0?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

oldtimer's got it.

[Slasher9]

oldtimer's got it.

 

i dont disagree with either of you. but DD & Cora have said more than once that EO will be the "traditional closer role" as soon as he comes off the 60 day IL.

i guess i should t be surprised. there was that time when none of our players required surgeries and then 1/2 the team was under the knife within a few days.....

[Maxbialystock]

We are calm.

 

The game threaders, not so much.

 

And that's as it should be be.

[notin]

i dont disagree with either of you. but DD & Cora have said more than once that EO will be the "traditional closer role" as soon as he comes off the 60 day IL.

i guess i should t be surprised. there was that time when none of our players required surgeries and then 1/2 the team was under the knife within a few days.....

 

They rushed him back after one inning of rehab. Don’t take their decision to make him the closer so literal. No one said he would jump into the role on Day One...