A Realistic View at 2019: Part II

[moonslav59]

Yeah, and I log on here to enjoy your sense of humor.

 

You totally missed my point!

 

[a700hitter]

You totally missed my point!

 

And you missed mine. Irreconcilable differences?

[d-money]

Throw a strike you *******. You’re up 6-1

[d-money]

Skankees down to their last 3 outs. Didn’t do us a favor today.

[d-money]

Anyone sick of this guy already?

[d-money]

This guy is awful.

[Bellhorn04]

Anyone sick of this guy already?

 

You're in the wrong thread.

[dgalehouse]

What we have here is a reluctance by people in admitting that they were wrong . And that is understandable. Human nature . I , and others , were concerned about the bullpen from the start . With good reason . There were others who said the pen would be fine . No problem. Now , they are going to lengths to try and point out that the pen really has not been the problem . Blaming the starters . Now , I will not defend the starters , who definitely have disappointed for the most part . But the bullpen has been every bit as bad as we feared they would be . Those who said the pen would be fine were wrong , wrong , wrong . It is not necessary to admit it . But you were wrong . It was not and is not fine.

[moonslav59]

What we have here is a reluctance by people in admitting that they were wrong . And that is understandable. Human nature . I , and others , were concerned about the bullpen from the start . With good reason . There were others who said the pen would be fine . No problem. Now , they are going to lengths to try and point out that the pen really has not been the problem . Blaming the starters . Now , I will not defend the starters , who definitely have disappointed for the most part . But the bullpen has been every bit as bad as we feared they would be . Those who said the pen would be fine were wrong , wrong , wrong . It is not necessary to admit it . But you were wrong . It was not and is not fine.

 

The pen is a major problem, but they have NOT been responsible for more losses than the starters. They have also contributed to more wins than the starters. I'm waiting for someone to prove I'm wrong. I'm open to any analysis that shows otherwise.

 

I have wanted a pen arm since day one, so I'm not sure if you are talking about me, but I don't think it's anyone else.

 

Our pen has lost us more games than other pens. No doubt. That does not mean they have been MOST responsible for our low position in the standings.

 

I never said the pen "would be fine." I knew we would need help and hoped it would be okay until we traded for help. It was not horrible until recently.

[TylerD]

Well Josh Taylor is really looking good. Wright back and in the bullpen and once Eovaldi is back we might be in better shape than some think. Add maybe one or two more relievers and we can contend again!

 

The end.

[OH FOY]

What we have here is a reluctance by people in admitting that they were wrong . And that is understandable. Human nature . I , and others , were concerned about the bullpen from the start . With good reason . There were others who said the pen would be fine . No problem. Now , they are going to lengths to try and point out that the pen really has not been the problem . Blaming the starters . Now , I will not defend the starters , who definitely have disappointed for the most part . But the bullpen has been every bit as bad as we feared they would be . Those who said the pen would be fine were wrong , wrong , wrong . It is not necessary to admit it . But you were wrong . It was not and is not fine.

 

Of course its not.

This is through BostonSportsInf.com Best twitter site on Boston Stats for all the teams. Swear, this guy never sleeps.

Though 86 games (not up to date)

2019 Team BP ERA 4.43

2018 3.17.

Up 1.26

Remember runs allowed that were inherited, don't go against the BP.

Edited July 8, 2019 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Here's another from Bostonsportsinf

Through 90 games this 2019 team will be the 5th team not to reach 50 wins or more, in last 22 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's another from Bostonsportsinf

Through 90 games this 2019 team will be the 5th team not to reach 50 wins or more, in last 22 years.

 

Now that's kind of a silly one.

[OH FOY]

Now that's kind of a silly one.

 

Yeah, might be but the other years the Sox never made the Play-offs, I think that was the point. Of course with the addition of the WC it makes it easier.

These are other years.

2015

2014

2012

2000 Not sure if they made it then. They had 48 wins. Looked it up, did not make it.

Edited July 8, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

What we have here is a reluctance by people in admitting that they were wrong . And that is understandable. Human nature . I , and others , were concerned about the bullpen from the start . With good reason . There were others who said the pen would be fine . No problem. Now , they are going to lengths to try and point out that the pen really has not been the problem . Blaming the starters . Now , I will not defend the starters , who definitely have disappointed for the most part . But the bullpen has been every bit as bad as we feared they would be . Those who said the pen would be fine were wrong , wrong , wrong . It is not necessary to admit it . But you were wrong . It was not and is not fine.

 

The only admission to the bullpen issues that matters is Dombrowski’s...

[OH FOY]

Dodgers are human when they are on the road, different team. 23-20 And Pitchers have 4.28 ERA on the road. Even higher then ours. 4.18 we have on the road.

Different hitting team too on the road. .251

I think we can clobber them again.

Edited July 8, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Kimmi]

ERod was fine last night. Porcello needs to stop pitching like 2015 Porcello.

 

One of the biggest issues with our starters is failing to get deeper into games. So while their performances may be 'fine', they are taxing the bullpen, which didn't have much depth to begin with.

 

The pen might be the glaring weakness, but only because the starters, on the whole, have failed to do their part.

[Kimmi]

Pythagorean says the Yankees are lucky as f*** so far this year.

That will change. They will not win the division playing so s***** and getting lucky wins.

 

Preach Brother Slasher!

[Kimmi]

Who cares about some ancient Greek jabroni. Pythagaras wouldn't know a slider from a right angle if it hit him in the ribs . One thing is clear . The Detroit Tigers are one sorry excuse for a major league team . An embarrassment.

 

{Raises her hand proudly and excitedly}

 

Not only for baseball, but because I also teach Geometry.

[Kimmi]

What we have here is a reluctance by people in admitting that they were wrong . And that is understandable. Human nature . I , and others , were concerned about the bullpen from the start . With good reason . There were others who said the pen would be fine . No problem. Now , they are going to lengths to try and point out that the pen really has not been the problem . Blaming the starters . Now , I will not defend the starters , who definitely have disappointed for the most part . But the bullpen has been every bit as bad as we feared they would be . Those who said the pen would be fine were wrong , wrong , wrong . It is not necessary to admit it . But you were wrong . It was not and is not fine.

 

The pen is not fine.

 

My question to you is, would the pen be better if the starters were performing up to their expectations, including Eovaldi and Price not being on the IL?

[a700hitter]

One of the biggest issues with our starters is failing to get deeper into games. So while their performances may be 'fine', they are taxing the bullpen, which didn't have much depth to begin with.

 

The pen might be the glaring weakness, but only because the starters, on the whole, have failed to do their part.

ERod is going deeper into games more often this season than in the past. His last outing was limited to 5 innings by a 2 hour rain delay. He was well on his way to another 6+ inning outing. Cora needs to stop pampering Price and let him go deeper when he is pitching well and getting outs. Porcello’s problem is not that he isn’t going deep into games, but rather that he sucks this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Price has gone down three years in a row with an elbow issue. Twice it was minor, once not so much. If Price goes down, your team is done. Cora is preserving him as best he can

[Bellhorn04]

Price has gone down three years in a row with an elbow issue. Twice it was minor, once not so much. If Price goes down, your team is done. Cora is preserving him as best he can

 

I think you're right.

[Elktonnick]

ERod is going deeper into games more often this season than in the past. His last outing was limited to 5 innings by a 2 hour rain delay. He was well on his way to another 6+ inning outing. Cora needs to stop pampering Price and let him go deeper when he is pitching well and getting outs. Porcello’s problem is not that he isn’t going deep into games, but rather that he sucks this year.

 

The manager needs to stop pampering period.

[moonslav59]

I'm fine with the idea of pampering our SP'ers earlier in the season, so they can be fresher and stronger when you need them most, which is usually around now or a bit later in the season.

 

Considering our place in the standings, I'd think now is the time to unleash our starters, especially when we play a contender by allowing them to go another inning deeper than we have been doing.

 

This could also take a lot of pressure off our overused and struggling-to-stay-above-water pen.

 

(I trust Sox management to know Price's limits.)

[Bellhorn04]

The manager needs to stop pampering period.

 

They're not 'pampering' Price IMO. They're worried about his elbow.

[moonslav59]

They're not 'pampering' Price IMO. They're worried about his elbow.

 

Because they are worried, they are pampering him.

 

There should be no issues with this strategy, IMO.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Rays are not a lock for the postseason at all. Their hell run at the end of this month is going to be a real test for them. The Rays play 10 out of 16 vs the Yanks or Sox to end July into Aug 1. If they are still in the WC lead after that gauntlet, then they are likely to take it to the house. They follow their Aug 1 sox game with an off day then 20 consecutive games vs .500 or worse baseball teams. Their September starts off slow then finished with 8 games vs the LAD, BOS and 2 vs the NYY then close the yr with 3 vs the Jays. If the standings hold and the Yanks and Dodgers clinch by then, the only team fighting them the final two weeks will be the sox.

 

The Guardians have the easiest path due to their division and they should get healthier with Kluber and Carrasco returning. They come out of the break with 3 vs the Twins. If they take that series, then you have to consider the Guardians as more than just a WC team as they're only 5.5 back of the Twins right now. Then the Guardians go on a joy ride through garbage for 14 games with the Tigers-Royals-Blue Jays-Royals on tap. These teams are so bad that the Guardians could conceivably go 12-2. They have their own hell run completing July and for most of August with the Astros-Angels-Rangers-Twins-Red Sox-Yankees for 20 games in a row, no days off. Their September is mostly a mixed bag. They need to crush the bad teams then survive August to win it.

 

The Red Sox have a really tough finish to July. They start the post ASB with 3 vs the Dodgers with their rotation aligned. Expect a Buehler-Kershaw-Ryu battle and they'll be looking for blood. The sox get 7 vs the AL shitters then play 14 in a row vs the Rays and Yanks. This is the make or break spot for the Rays and Sox and it takes us past the trade deadline. The sox then come home vs the Royals and Angels before going to Cleveland. Then they come home for the Orioles and Phillies before going on a whacky west coast trip to SD, then Colorado then back out to Anaheim (wtf?). The sox get a day off, come home and play the Twins and Yankees. They then close the season with a mixed bag against possible WC contenders and mostly vs garbage. The 14 in a row vs the Rays and Yanks will go a long way to confirming who the sox are. If they survive that, then the west coast trip always causes issues with the sox. They have a rough road through Sept 1, then a reasonably easy schedule after that.

 

The A's are the hottest club and the team I have said before is most likely to end up the WC, but their schedule post ASB is difficult. 5 cupcake games out of the break with the Mariners and CWS. Then Twins-Astros-Rangers-Brewers-Cards-Cubs. A 2 series break with the CWS and Giants then back to grind vs the Astros and Yankees for 7 games. They get 6 cupcake games vs the Royals and Giants before coming east vs the Yankees to close August. Their September is a bit easier if the Angels and Rangers fall out of the race with only a 3 game set at Houston standing in their way of a pretty soft September

[Slasher9]

You're in the wrong thread.

 

lol

[d-money]

Dodgers are human when they are on the road, different team. 23-20 And Pitchers have 4.28 ERA on the road. Even higher then ours. 4.18 we have on the road.

Different hitting team too on the road. .251

I think we can clobber them again.

 

The Sox have to show they can beat good teams. Thus far they have not shown that. They better do that in the second half.