When does DD push the panic button..??

[Slasher9]

Bogaerts is a Boras client and the Sox extended him. Betts might follow suit...

 

i still cant believe that actually happened......

[moonslav59]

i still cant believe that actually happened......

 

It was surprising, but it sure looks like a great deal for us, after just 2+ months.

[notin]

Encarnacion will be owed $7M at the deadline, and harmony's offer included $5M.

 

Santana K's a lot, but his numbers are better than Beni's. The one less year of team control is the one thing I see making this a bad deal.

 

One more "bad part," We likely cannot afford EE's $20M 2020 option.He has a $5M buyout. We might have to trade him this winter, if we are looking to reset the tax or keep Betts and stay under the max line.

 

 

 

Another “bad” part is Benintendi is not quite yet 25 and you’re dealing away his peak years for two players on the wrong side of 30, and doing so without even addressing the biggest weakness in this team...

[harmony]

Another “bad” part is Benintendi is not quite yet 25 and you’re dealing away his peak years for two players on the wrong side of 30, and doing so without even addressing the biggest weakness in this team...

Domingo Santana is 26 years old:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santado01.shtml

[notin]

Domingo Santana is 26 years old:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santado01.shtml

 

 

That’s what he says now...

[YastrzemskI]

The closer by committee is a Joke we need a freaking Closer and We need Pop in this lineup badly ...Is there 1 team that can give us both ? I want an established closer no rookies or projects and I want a proven Slugger.Edwin freaking Rakes at Fenway .how many 1b can a team have though ?

 

Has Cora ever gone on the record as to why he has not chosen a closer yet?

I don't even care if its Barnes or Workman at this point.

[notin]

Veiled racism is disheartening.

 

 

It’s not racism. It’s me blaming Santana for my mistake. Like my wife does to me...

[moonslav59]

Another “bad” part is Benintendi is not quite yet 25 and you’re dealing away his peak years for two players on the wrong side of 30, and doing so without even addressing the biggest weakness in this team...

 

Santana is 26 and has 2.5 years of peak prime under control. Beni has 3.5 years.

[Kimmi]

It was surprising, but it sure looks like a great deal for us, after just 2+ months.

 

Bogaerts is financially set for life. He was more concerned with financial security and with staying with a team that he really enjoys playing for, rather than setting out to make the most money possible. I admire that.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Wow the Edwin talk kinda took off.I would never trade Benny for Edwin no way no how .Benny hasn't hit his peak Edwin is a Pure DH slash 1st .I disagree that Edwin can't be had for a couple minor leagues say Dauby and a lottery ticket .I also think we must strike a deal NOW or yes the price escalates .

[notin]

Wow the Edwin talk kinda took off.I would never trade Benny for Edwin no way no how .Benny hasn't hit his peak Edwin is a Pure DH slash 1st .I disagree that Edwin can't be had for a couple minor leagues say Dauby and a lottery ticket .I also think we must strike a deal NOW or yes the price escalates .

 

 

Anyone selling has nothing to lose by waiting for any and all offers. Typically the only way to get a deal done early is to overpay...

[harmony]

Wow the Edwin talk kinda took off.I would never trade Benny for Edwin no way no how .Benny hasn't hit his peak Edwin is a Pure DH slash 1st .I disagree that Edwin can't be had for a couple minor leagues say Dauby and a lottery ticket .I also think we must strike a deal NOW or yes the price escalates .

To be precise, the proposal was three and a half seasons of Andrew Benintendi for two and a half seasons of Domingo Santana, a half season (or a season and half) of Edwin Encarnacion and $5 million.

 

If Encarnacion were an unburdened free agent at the end of this season would the veteran receive a qualifying offer? Much depends on his performance the remainder of this year.

 

But if Encarnacion would receive the hypothetical qualifying offer, would a team in real life exercise his 2020 option for a net $15 million ($20 million salary for 2020 less the $5 million buyout)? Last offseason the qualifying offer was $17.9 million.

[moonslav59]

To be precise, the proposal was three and a half seasons of Andrew Benintendi for two and a half seasons of Domingo Santana, a half season (or a season and half) of Edwin Encarnacion and $5 million.

 

If Encarnacion were an unburdened free agent at the end of this season would the veteran receive a qualifying offer? Much depends on his performance the remainder of this year.

 

But if Encarnacion would receive the hypothetical qualifying offer, would a team in real life exercise his 2020 option for a net $15 million ($20 million salary for 2020 less the $5 million buyout)? Last offseason the qualifying offer was $17.9 million.

 

Giving EE the 2020 option and trading him could also be an option, even if they pay $5M of the deal, they'd have paid that anyway.

[moonslav59]

Wow the Edwin talk kinda took off.I would never trade Benny for Edwin no way no how .Benny hasn't hit his peak Edwin is a Pure DH slash 1st .I disagree that Edwin can't be had for a couple minor leagues say Dauby and a lottery ticket .I also think we must strike a deal NOW or yes the price escalates .

 

Santana would be the bigger part of the deal due to his 2.5 years of team control at a much lower cost than EE (per season).

[harmony]

Wow the Edwin talk kinda took off.I would never trade Benny for Edwin no way no how .Benny hasn't hit his peak Edwin is a Pure DH slash 1st .I disagree that Edwin can't be had for a couple minor leagues say Dauby and a lottery ticket .I also think we must strike a deal NOW or yes the price escalates .

Bobby Dalbec is toiling at Double A as he approaches his 24th birthday this month. According to the FanGraphs preseason prospect values, Dalbec would rank no higher than 10th on the Seattle prospect list (that described unranked Rookie of the Year candidate Daniel Vogelbach with a Fringy Offensive Profile:)):

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-26-prospects-boston-red-sox/

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-25-prospects-seattle-mariners/

 

The Mariners will likely receive better offers for Edwin Encarnacion.

Edited June 11, 2019 by harmony

[notin]

Bobby Dalbec is toiling at Double A as he approaches his 24th birthday this month. According to the FanGraphs preseason prospect values, Dalbec would rank no higher than 10th on the Seattle prospect list (that described unranked Rookie of the Year candidate Daniel Vogelbach with a Fringy Offensive Profile:)):

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-26-prospects-boston-red-sox/

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-25-prospects-seattle-mariners/

 

The Mariners will likely receive better offers for Edwin Encarnacion.

 

 

1. The Sox are potentially not buyers.

 

2. With Encarnacion’s contract, you might not be receiving better offers. Jay Bruce was also having a good year and netted the Mariners a “prospect” whose MLB future isn’t likely to be that much better than mine...

[harmony]

1. The Sox are potentially not buyers.

 

2. With Encarnacion’s contract, you might not be receiving better offers. Jay Bruce was also having a good year and netted the Mariners a “prospect” whose MLB future isn’t likely to be that much better than mine...

Jay Bruce was owed more money with a guaranteed contract through 2020.

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.6, 0.4 and 0.6 for Bruce and 1.3, 1.4 and 1.3 for Encarnacion.

 

The Mariners essentially cleared a roster slot while receiving an inconsequential return in the Bruce trade. But Encarnacion is worth at least twice as much with a shorter obligation.

 

The Red Sox do not match up well for a trade with the Mariners.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Jay Bruce was owed more money with a guaranteed contract through 2020.

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.6, 0.4 and 0.6 for Bruce and 1.3, 1.4 and 1.3 for Encarnacion.

 

The Mariners essentially cleared a roster slot while receiving an inconsequential return in the Bruce trade. But Encarnacion is worth at least twice as much with a shorter obligation.

 

The Red Sox do not match up well for a trade with the Mariners.

Harmony your brilliant but in this case I'd say your vastly undervalued some of our Prospects .Dave may think this is just a bridge year ? Highly doubt bridge year is in the mans vocabulary .We have plenty to land Edwin question is ? Is it to late anyway ?

[harmony]

Harmony your brilliant but in this case I'd say your vastly undervalued some of our Prospects .Dave may think this is just a bridge year ? Highly doubt bridge year is in the mans vocabulary .We have plenty to land Edwin question is ? Is it to late anyway ?

FanGraphs recently ranked the Red Sox farm system last:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pre-draft-farm-system-rankings/

 

The Red Sox have no prospects among the current Top 100 at MLB Prospect Watch:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

 

The Red Sox had no prospects among the preseason Top 132 at FanGraphs:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-top-100-prospects/

 

The Red Sox had no prospects among the preseason Top 100 at Baseball America:

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/prospects/byYear.asp?Y=2019&Src=BA

 

The Red Sox had no prospects among the preseason Top 101 at Baseball Prospectus:

 

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/46653/2019-prospects-the-top-101/

 

The Red Sox built a formidable World Series champion in part by depleting the farm. The result is a system barren of top prospects.

 

It's certainly not too late to bid on Edwin Encarnacion (who stroked a three-run homer Tuesday) but the Seattle Mariners are likely to look to teams with better prospects to offer.

[mvp 78]

As of today, they have 2 top 100 prospects per BA.

[notin]

Jay Bruce was owed more money with a guaranteed contract through 2020.

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.6, 0.4 and 0.6 for Bruce and 1.3, 1.4 and 1.3 for Encarnacion.

 

The Mariners essentially cleared a roster slot while receiving an inconsequential return in the Bruce trade. But Encarnacion is worth at least twice as much with a shorter obligation.

 

The Red Sox do not match up well for a trade with the Mariners.

 

So two inconsequential prospects?

 

They got zero for Bruce. What’s two times zero again?

[Noles_1335]

I think it's time to call a spade a spade.... and I hope like hell I'm wrong! This season is over for us and it may be time to sell and refuel the terrible farm system we have! This team seems lost and looking for something, anything that can spark us and it's not being found! We can never seem to put it together for more than one game at a time or if we're lucky a couple games. For those of you wanting EE, he is not our season savior. Yeah, he will come in and hit a few HR's but will it be solo shots that mean nothing in the 9th when we're down 9-4 because of the piss poor pitching depth this team has. We need fire.... and after what has happened to Papi this week we can't find the passion and heart to go out and dominate.... C'mon man!

[Slasher9]

What’s two times zero again?

 

guys...i got this one: 0

[notin]

With 6 weeks until the July 31st hard trade deadline, the Sox have to decide ”buy or sell.” Since the team has played .500 for the first 2 1/2 months, and looks like a steaming pile of mediocrity lately, it’s easy to claim “sell!” But should they?

 

I know the idea of making the postseason with little chance at a title is unappealing. But 10 teams make the postseason and 9 go home losers. The odds are always stacked against you.

 

To me, while my opinion is moot anyway, I want them to sell. But sell what?

 

Porcello is the best of the pending FA crowd. But what’s he really worth in a deal? The best comps from last year’s trade market are Eovaldi (Jalen Beeks) and JA Happ (Billy McKinney and Brandon Drury). All three combined are not some sort of farm-changing haul. The best to expect from a Porcello deal is “rebuilding the bench,” not “rebuilding the farm”.

 

Mitch Moreland will command even less. And Pearce is a step down from there.

 

Nunez and Holt will appeal to many team. But the return of “high minors wild card” is the ceiling. Sure, sometimes you get Ty Buttrey. But sometimes you get Williams Jerez. Still, given the returns from some of the infielders (excluding Machado) that changed uniforms last July, these two might be the Sox best trade chips.

 

The controllable players could be dealt, and for obvious reasons usually yield better results. But I would be surprised if DD moved Bradley or Benintendi, especially since the outfielders in the high minors are practically non-existent. And the idea of blowing the whole team up and dealing everyone after 2 1/2 frustrating months is laughable. If you can’t handle 2 1/2 months of mediocrity, why would you be so gung ho for 3-4 years of sub-mediocre baseball?

[harmony]

As of today, they have 2 top 100 prospects per BA.

Thank you for the update. The current rankings apparently are not available without a Baseball America subscription.

 

Who are the two ranked Red Sox prospects?

[notin]

Thank you for the update. The current rankings apparently are not available without a Baseball America subscription.

 

Who are the two ranked Red Sox prospects?

 

 

I can take a guess .

 

Darwinzon Hernandez and Jarren Duran...

[dgalehouse]

Any business should always look to improve and grow . If they fail to do that they will suffer for it . The Red Sox are no exception . They failed to do that this off season and spring training . And it shows so far this season . How often do you see a championship team have an off season plan to not only not improve , but to actually get worse . The complacency and stand pat attitude reeked of over confidence . That is not how to run a business . Now , we have the highest payroll in the game and a .500 record . Spin it any way you want . This has been a management failure. Having said that , it is way too early to liquidate . Way too early to give up . Maybe make a couple of moves and see if we can turn things around .

[mvp 78]

Any business should always look to improve and grow . If they fail to do that they will suffer for it . The Red Sox are no exception . They failed to do that this off season and spring training . And it shows so far this season . How often do you see a championship team have an off season plan to not only not improve , but to actually get worse . The complacency and stand pat attitude reeked of over confidence . That is not how to run a business . Now , we have the highest payroll in the game and a .500 record . Spin it any way you want . This has been a management failure. Having said that , it is way too early to liquidate . Way too early to give up . Maybe make a couple of moves and see if we can turn things around .

 

The onfield product is only a part of the Red Sox business.

[mvp 78]

Thank you for the update. The current rankings apparently are not available without a Baseball America subscription.

 

Who are the two ranked Red Sox prospects?

 

Casas and Duran.

[notin]

Casas and Duran.

 

 

Oooh. Too bad I wagered heavily on that Daily Double. I’ll take “Humility” for $1,000, Alex...