The Mookie Betts Performance Thread

[YastrzemskI]

Hey guys. In light of the season being two months old, I think that it is fair to start a few assessment type threads the rest of the way for some of our key players. We have critiquing going on in virtually every thread on here but it might be easier to just add a few more player performance type threads so we track and zero in on a player.

 

It’s pretty safe to say that Mookie has been struggling a bit (for him anyway) so far. I am not concerned about the power as much as his batting avg. I’m not expecting .340 every year but the drop has been significant so far.

In 225 AB These are Mookie’s numbers.

 

AVG .280

HR 9

RBI 27

OPS .853

 

He has just come off a miserable 1 for 12 against the Skanks. I saw a terrific stat yesterday from ESPN (how ironic). They stated that Bogey has made good contact with the ball 47% of the time this year as opposed to 42% for all of last year. I wonder why this particular stat is not more widespread, since it is quite telling of how well a player is seeing the ball. Can anyone here find similar stats for Mookie?

 

GO SOX!

[moonslav59]

Betts is having his third best season out of his 5 full seasons.

 

1.078 2018

.897 2016

.853 2019

.820 2015

.803 2017

 

He's just.035 from his career .885 OPS- basically one big game away from it.

 

Yes, his power is down (.462 SLG), but his OBP is .390 (second best of his career).

 

He's still on pace for about 24 HRs per 162 games, which is 3 less than his career HR/162 game number of 27.

 

(BTW, Mookie's lare season career OPS numbers: .919 in Aug & .922 in Sept- his two best months.)

 

[YastrzemskI]

Betts is having his third best season out of his 5 full seasons.

 

1.078 2018

.897 2016

.853 2019

.820 2015

.803 2017

 

He's just.035 from his career .885 OPS- basically one big game away from it.

 

Yes, his power is down (.462 SLG), but his OBP is .390 (second best of his career).

 

He's still on pace for about 24 HRs per 162 games, which is 3 less than his career HR/162 game number of 27.

 

(BTW, Mookie's lare season career OPS numbers: .919 in Aug & .922 in Sept- his two best months.)

 

 

MVP

Silver Slugger

Gold Glove

Batting Title

World Series Champion

 

2018 is a tough act to follow.

[Maxbialystock]

Meh. Not much interested in the individual assessments.

 

As for the Sox as a whole, right now they are scoring 5.33 runs/game vs. 5.41 runs/game last year when they led the MLB. The Sox have scored 315 runs to date, and the Yankees 310 (in 1 less game), but the Yankees are way, way ahead of us because their pitching is better.

[mvp 78]

Pythag:

 

Sox s/b 33 - 26

Yanks s/b 37 - 21

Rays s/b 38 - 19

 

Take away, Sox should be better than what they are right now, but I think we aren't talking enough about the Rays.

 

As for Betts, his 5 years of OPS look like:

820

897

803

1079

853

 

My guess is that Mookie could bump his numbers up once it gets hotter, but his splits show him as a 1st half player. May is usually his best month. It just might be a down year for him. At worst, maybe it helps to lessen any contract burden.

[moonslav59]

Pythag:

 

Sox s/b 33 - 26

Yanks s/b 37 - 21

Rays s/b 38 - 19

 

Take away, Sox should be better than what they are right now, but I think we aren't talking enough about the Rays.

 

As for Betts, his 5 years of OPS look like:

820

897

803

1079

853

 

My guess is that Mookie could bump his numbers up once it gets hotter, but his splits show him as a 1st half player. May is usually his best month. It just might be a down year for him. At worst, maybe it helps to lessen any contract burden.

 

The Rays are for real. Count the second half of last year, and they are right up there.

[vegasbob]

Pythag:

 

Sox s/b 33 - 26

Yanks s/b 37 - 21

Rays s/b 38 - 19

 

Take away, Sox should be better than what they are right now, but I think we aren't talking enough about the Rays.

 

As for Betts, his 5 years of OPS look like:

820

897

803

1079

853

 

My guess is that Mookie could bump his numbers up once it gets hotter, but his splits show him as a 1st half player. May is usually his best month. It just might be a down year for him. At worst, maybe it helps to lessen any contract burden.

 

Betts' 2019 will be somewhat forgotten by the time he signs a 10 year deal for the $300MM or sits out 2021 ST waiting for the call.

[Jasonbay44]

Betts is still a superstar. He is least of my worries on the team. It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to repeat last years historical season.

[Swiharts Ghost]

He's worth how much ? I mean he's great but is he really worth 350 million ? Is any player worth 350 million ? Love the player but he can walk if that's his asking price .I would go 33 for 8 performance bonuses reaching 300

[YastrzemskI]

He's worth how much ? I mean he's great but is he really worth 350 million ? Is any player worth 350 million ? Love the player but he can walk if that's his asking price .I would go 33 for 8 performance bonuses reaching 300

 

The two 300 million boys that were signed last off season aren’t producing as well as San Diego and Philly had hoped. Bryce is driving in some runs but his BA is south of .250 Machado is not lighting the world on fire either. Still good players but 300 million contracts? Gimme a break.

 

I’m not worried about Betts too much. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t show improvement this month.. especially with the softer schedule.

[redsoxrules]

Betts is not worth 300 million. And please dont bring up harper as that's the Phillies fault for giving him that stupid contract.

 

I wouldn't give Betts anymore than 250. Even that I'd be stretching it. I'm sorry but in order to give out a 300 million deal you best be producing close to a 10 War every year.

 

A lot of Betts value is also his speed, which is the first thing to go when a player ages. He wont be as productive once he hits 30 with his legs.

[redsoxrules]

I'm a big mookie fan. I have multiple jerseys of him but I just dont see him as a 300 Mil player in the long haul

[Michigan adam]

The two 300 million boys that were signed last off season aren’t producing as well as San Diego and Philly had hoped. Bryce is driving in some runs but his BA is south of .250 Machado is not lighting the world on fire either. Still good players but 300 million contracts? Gimme a break.

 

I’m not worried about Betts too much. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t show improvement this month.. especially with the softer schedule.

 

Bryce is doing just about the same as last year. He never was worth what he got. That was insane. He only had 2 seasons over .890 OPS out of 7 before this year...

[sk7326]

Betts is not worth 300 million. And please dont bring up harper as that's the Phillies fault for giving him that stupid contract.

 

I wouldn't give Betts anymore than 250. Even that I'd be stretching it. I'm sorry but in order to give out a 300 million deal you best be producing close to a 10 War every year.

 

A lot of Betts value is also his speed, which is the first thing to go when a player ages. He wont be as productive once he hits 30 with his legs.

 

Given what the industry is making, Harper's deal is frankly kind of a value ... Betts' slow start still puts him 10th in the AL in bWAR. By your criteria, the $30M a year bar is "Mike Trout and nobody else". And that would be really underpaid for Trout.

[Slasher9]

The two 300 million boys that were signed last off season aren’t producing as well as San Diego and Philly had hoped. Bryce is driving in some runs but his BA is south of .250 Machado is not lighting the world on fire either. Still good players but 300 million contracts? Gimme a break.

 

I’m not worried about Betts too much. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t show improvement this month.. especially with the softer schedule.

 

i cant speak on machado impact but bryce has sold a lot of tickets to citizens bank park. and when you walk in there it seems 50% phan has a harper jersey on. if the phan is a teenage girl - 100%. his contract is paying for itself. whether that translates to a parade? very doubtful.

[mvp 78]

i cant speak on machado impact but bryce has sold a lot of tickets to citizens bank park. and when you walk in there it seems 50% phan has a harper jersey on. if the phan is a teenage girl - 100%. his contract is paying for itself. whether that translates to a parade? very doubtful.

 

Fenway seems close to capacity no matter what.

[redsoxrules]

i cant speak on machado impact but bryce has sold a lot of tickets to citizens bank park. and when you walk in there it seems 50% phan has a harper jersey on. if the phan is a teenage girl - 100%. his contract is paying for itself. whether that translates to a parade? very doubtful.

 

Meh, that's just a short term phase. If the Phillies keep winning games that will put more fans in the seats. If the Phillies start to suck in the next few years the attendance will drop again whether or not harper is there.

[Jason33]

Ya but you would expect Mookie with his talent to keep improving. His last 3 seasons were great. 2016 he hit .318 31HR 113RBI 26SB, 2017 .264 24HR 102RBI 26SB, and 2018 .346 32HR 80RBI 30SB. I agree with a good series and he’s right on pace with the last 3 years. I’d like to see him steal some more bases this year as well but it’s still early and I think a lot of our guys will get it going. Especially Benny!

[moonslav59]

Betts is the very least of my worries.

[devildavid]

Mookie's weaknesses so far:

 

Against LHP

Hitting first in game/leading off inning/first in batting order

Away games

Behind in the count/two strikes/even count

 

He has been somewhat tailing off as the season progresses. Worse in May than March/April and even worse to start June.

Edited June 8, 2019 by devildavid

[notin]

Betts is the very least of my worries.

 

Least of the worries, but he needs to get it going...

[moonslav59]

Least of the worries, but he needs to get it going...

 

He will.

[moonslav59]

Mookie's weaknesses so far:

 

Against LHP

Hitting first in game/leading off inning/first in batting order

Away games

Behind in the count/two strikes/even count

 

He has been somewhat tailing off as the season progresses. Worse in May than March/April and even worse to start June.

 

2019:

 

.541 1st in Line up

 

.943 2nd in Line up

 

And now, he's moved back to first.

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

He's betting on himself so he must be good.

 

What a joke.

[devildavid]

2019:

 

.541 1st in Line up

 

.943 2nd in Line up

 

And now, he's moved back to first.

 

And so far it hasn't helped. Betts is slipping and it has nothing to do with where he bats in the lineup. Something seems off with him lately.

[moonslav59]

And so far it hasn't helped. Betts is slipping and it has nothing to do with where he bats in the lineup. Something seems off with him lately.

 

Great players can slump without a major reason (like an injury).

 

Let's give him time. He may be back over .900, soon.

[Jasonbay44]

He's betting on himself so he must be good.

 

What a joke.

Are you implying he isn’t good?

[devildavid]

Great players can slump without a major reason (like an injury).

 

Let's give him time. He may be back over .900, soon.

 

Or good players can have one great season and never return to that level. If Mookie is truly great this is the point in his career where his performance must prove it.

[YastrzemskI]

Betts played like an MVP today. Well done. He’s a pillar of this team and critical to their success.

[moonslav59]

Or good players can have one great season and never return to that level. If Mookie is truly great this is the point in his career where his performance must prove it.

 

2018 might prove to be an outlier, but expecting .900+ this year and next should not be unrealistic.

 

He went 2-7 with a BB and a 2B today. Maybe he starts his hot streak real soon.