Can/Should the Red Sox Blow Up the Roster?

[Swiharts Ghost]

There have been a lot of teams to overcome 10 game deficits, and many were that far behind much later than June 2. The 1995 Mariners were 12 games out in mid-August and won the division. The 1914 Braves were 15 out in late June and won.

 

Stop with the white flags. Especially the one you’re waving for fictional reasons...

Really who won it all with a ten game tank ? 1 team right ? So you stop the proverbial word smithing .

[Jasonbay44]

Who would’ve thought we’d be talking about blowing up this team on June 2nd

[Swiharts Ghost]

Who would’ve thought we’d be talking about blowing up this team on June 2nd

 

We won't trade MOOKIE BENNY JDM SALE XANDER CHAVIS DEVERS PRICE WORKMAN BARNES PORCELLO HOLT MITCH SO ITS NOT LIKE A REBUILD .We should trade JBJ Erod and maybe a Prospect for a piece .There will never be a blow up like the Agon trade for this group .i need a break from Talksox for a day .

[moonslav59]

I don't see the Sox making any moves until the break and only then if we still have a significant chance of making the playoffs. What can we do other than add a reliever if we have a shot?

 

Depends a great deal on how we perform in that period. If we are out of it, then it would be reasonable to call up our best prospects and see what they can do. Even with a playoff hope, I believe we will need to make major changes going in to 2020. Time for Pearce, Nunez, JBJ, half the BP, E-Rod, Leon at least to go. Pedroia is not coming back.

 

Time for the front office to strenghten our prospect list and to avoid harmful long term contracts to players going past their prime. Pedroia's 8 year being the poster child of recent bad ones. We have the highest payroll in the league and the resullts are not reflecting it. It's hard to justify that position with a 500 team.

 

I think we should try to trade for a RP'er, now. If it doesn't help over the next 6 weeks, we will know more than if we go 6 weeks without a solid pen addition to then decide.

[notin]

We won't trade MOOKIE BENNY JDM SALE XANDER CHAVIS DEVERS PRICE WORKMAN BARNES PORCELLO HOLT MITCH SO ITS NOT LIKE A REBUILD .We should trade JBJ Erod and maybe a Prospect for a piece .There will never be a blow up like the Agon trade for this group .i need a break from Talksox for a day .

 

 

Wow. Gutsy blow up...

[moonslav59]

We won't trade MOOKIE BENNY JDM SALE XANDER CHAVIS DEVERS PRICE WORKMAN BARNES PORCELLO HOLT MITCH SO ITS NOT LIKE A REBUILD .We should trade JBJ Erod and maybe a Prospect for a piece .There will never be a blow up like the Agon trade for this group .i need a break from Talksox for a day .

 

Trading the two players who are currently at their all time low trade value makes no sense.

 

ERod is having a bad year, but he's a hell of a pitcher, is under team control for 2.7 more years and is our lowest paid SP'er.

 

JBJ will be expensive next year. I doubt his trade value is high enough to make up for the losing him, even if he gets over .700 at trade time. If we are out of it at the deadline, then I can see trading him, but 1) he has to get over .700 to be worth anything and 2) we have to get something worthwhile to do it.

 

Big if, for me, IF we are out of it by the deadline, okay- trade all the FAs-to- be:Porcello, MolrelandNunez, Pearce, Holt and JBJ with his one expensive arb year left.

 

I'm not sure packing in 2020 is the best idea, but if do a fire sale and look to reset in 2020, which kind of go hand-in-hand in some ways, then maybe we trade some one like JD or Price, so we can reset and keep Betts at the same time.

[notin]

Really who won it all with a ten game tank ? 1 team right ? So you stop the proverbial word smithing .

 

 

I listed 2, plus I assume you were referring to 78 Yankees. (If not, add them to the list.)

 

There was also the 2012 A’s, the 1993 Braves (only 9 1/2 out, but in August), and the 1951 Giants, who were 13 games out in August and won on the most famous home run and call in MLB history.

 

And probably a few others that you can find once you learn how to use Google...

[illinoisredsox]

I listed 2, plus I assume you were referring to 78 Yankees. (If not, add them to the list.)

 

There was also the 2012 A’s, the 1993 Braves (only 9 1/2 out, but in August), and the 1951 Giants, who were 13 games out in August and won on the most famous home run and call in MLB history.

 

And probably a few others that you can find once you learn how to use Google...

 

Since he said won it all, I'm going to assume he meant won the World Series. I know the 1914 Braves and the 1978 Yankees did. Not sure of any others. None of the other teams you listed won the Series.

 

Still, 2 is greater than 1, so the Ghost shouldn't be criticizing "wordsmithing".

[notin]

Since he said won it all, I'm going to assume he meant won the World Series. I know the 1914 Braves and the 1978 Yankees did. Not sure of any others. None of the other teams you listed won the Series.

 

Still, 2 is greater than 1, so the Ghost shouldn't be criticizing "wordsmithing".

 

Also not really fair, since there are more playoff opportunities now than there were even in 1995

[Swiharts Ghost]

Wow. Gutsy blow up...

 

....you sir are trollin me hard .I don't want a nuclear blow up just dead weight dragging us down gone .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Also not really fair, since there are more playoff opportunities now than there were even in 1995

 

Sorry didn't put a 1914 team down in my memory sure 2 teams considering it's a 100 freaking years ago and I'm hoping no one even compares modern ball to Johnny two bags a hundred years ago WOW let's agree a team in 1978 is more relevant than 100 years ago can we ?

[harmony]

The Red Sox likely are preparing on a continuum of contingencies. The Sox need ongoing revisions to a plan to contend while also working on an alternative plan to sell.

 

The Sox probably remain in a contend mode today but may soon face the tough decision to stay in the game or fold.

[notin]

Sorry didn't put a 1914 team down in my memory sure 2 teams considering it's a 100 freaking years ago and I'm hoping no one even compares modern ball to Johnny two bags a hundred years ago WOW let's agree a team in 1978 is more relevant than 100 years ago can we ?

 

And in 1995 and 2012 and 2013, also more recent.

 

Point being, teams come back from 10 games out to make the postseason a lot.

 

And by the way, you don’t get to say “in MLB history” if you don’t plan on actual counting all of MLB history. Especially if you plan on accusing other people of wordsmithing. Your OP didn’t even mention the World Series, let alone winning it. That’s an awful specific interpretation of “made it.”

 

Either way, not only would “blowing the team up” in early June be stupid, but it’s even dumber to do it half ass by not even trading the pieces that will bring back anything useful...

[notin]

....you sir are trollin me hard .I don't want a nuclear blow up just dead weight dragging us down gone .

 

 

The “deadweight” is not the problem. The players who are supposed to be carrying this team are. Betts has become an LOB machine. Ditto Martinez. Benintendi is off to a weak start.

 

If the Sox deal Moreland (who is deadweight why?), Nunez, Bradley, who replaces them? More deadweight?

 

It’s not like we have any recent outfielders above A ball, unless you count Castillo. And Dombrowski doesn’t...

[notin]

Sorry didn't put a 1914 team down in my memory sure 2 teams considering it's a 100 freaking years ago and I'm hoping no one even compares modern ball to Johnny two bags a hundred years ago WOW let's agree a team in 1978 is more relevant than 100 years ago can we ?

 

 

On the other hand, if this was just one of those “vent in frustration” posts and not to be taken too seriously, they happen. I get it

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Don't be surprised if Beni is traded. The SOX better not wait too long because as his progressive downslide continues he'll be as worthless in a trade as JBJ, Nunez, Leon, and Pearce.

[Jasonbay44]

It is absurd how low everyone is on Beni all of a sudden

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox likely are preparing on a continuum of contingencies. The Sox need ongoing revisions to a plan to contend while also working on an alternative plan to sell.

 

The Sox probably remain in a contend mode today but may soon face the tough decision to stay in the game or fold.

 

Even if they do go into sell mode, the only expiring contract of any significance is Porcello's.

[Bellhorn04]

It is absurd how low everyone is on Beni all of a sudden

 

Not everyone, just a few.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

It is absurd how low everyone is on Beni all of a sudden

 

He's the only SOX player who could be traded that has any value. You're not gonna get something good w/o giving up something good. So actually, it's a compliment.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

He's the only SOX player who could be traded that has any value. You're not gonna get something good w/o giving up something good. So actually, it's a compliment.

 

 

Plus the SOX minor league is DEADWOOD.

[Bellhorn04]

He's the only SOX player who could be traded that has any value. You're not gonna get something good w/o giving up something good. So actually, it's a compliment.

 

But trading Benintendi would just open up another hole. Plus he's also one of the few good players who isn't expensive yet.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

One other thing regarding this swoon by the SOX. This team does not appear to have a player leader in the clubhouse. Besides being a great hitter Ortiz was also a great motivator in the clubhouse. Pedey was the likely guy to fill that role, but with his own cross to bear, that probably isn't happening.

[Bellhorn04]

One other thing regarding this swoon by the SOX. This team does not appear to have a player leader in the clubhouse. Besides being a great hitter Ortiz was also a great motivator in the clubhouse. Pedey was the likely guy to fill that role, but with his own cross to bear, that probably isn't happening.

 

Last year JDM was supposedly the leader.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

But trading Benintendi would just open up another hole. Plus he's also one of the few good players who isn't expensive yet.

 

His being inexpensive also makes him more attractive to another team. Of course, the SOX don't have to execute a trade. They can just continue on with the team they have. But if you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it.

[moonslav59]

It is absurd how low everyone is on Beni all of a sudden

 

It just takes a 2-3 week slump and suddenly, it's time to trade him.

 

We'd have nobody left, if we did that with every slumping player over the course of a season or two.

[Bellhorn04]

His being inexpensive also makes him more attractive to another team. Of course, the SOX don't have to execute a trade. They can just continue on with the team they have. But if you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it.

 

Yeah, we're 'stuck' with the team we have this year. Adding a reliever would be good. The only solution is for the same players to play better. We know they can do it.

[oldtimer]

Yeah, we're 'stuck' with the team we have this year. Adding a reliever would be good. The only solution is for the same players to play better. We know they can do it.

 

I agree totally with what you say. If there is a solution, then it is for our existing players to pull out of their malaise and try to perform closer to last years standards. We have a little money for BP help so that is not by itself going to save the season. Maybe getting guys healthy could help. JDM in particular is fighting a sore back and he is a key hitter in the lineup.

 

If we can't make the playoffs, I would play some of our hopefuls late in the year and hope to find a gem in that way. I would not trade away our keystone players just in the hope of winning a couple of more games this year. In my view we need to keep, Bogaerts, Beni, Devers, Vasquez and Betts. I would also think hard before parting with a young inexpensive player like Chavis. I would be careful not to jettison other existing field players unless we could find better but our utility capability is getting old and find themselves on the IL all too often.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, we're 'stuck' with the team we have this year. Adding a reliever would be good. The only solution is for the same players to play better. We know they can do it.

 

The problem is, we have a ton of players doing well or very well the last 14-28 days, but we aren't putting it all together to win more games than we have been losing.

 

It's hard to ask for more timely hitting and to stop losing series where we outscore the opponents. I've heard people blame the pen, the bottom of the order, Cora, JD & Betts, but the fact is, we just aren't bunching our hits and walks and taking advantage of good pitching games, when we get them.

 

Numbers in May (Not counting the last 2 games of April that we won by a combined score of 13-5.)

 

Pitching IP/ERA

38.1 Sale 2.82

32.1 Porcello 3.34

30.0 ERod 3.90

17.2 Price 1.53

17.1 Walden 2.08

11.2 Workman 2.31

11.1 Hembree 0.79

9.2 Barnes 1.86

 

When Eovaldi comes back and we presumably add a RP'er, maybe we'll see less inning from...

18.1 Velazquez 7.85

18.0 Weber 4.50

12.0 Brewer 5.25

10.0 Brasier 7.20

7.0 Thornburg 7.71

7.1 Smith 4.91

4.1 Lakins 8.31

 

Hitting PAs/ OPS

127 Betts .825

122 Beni .792

121 Devers 1.021

120 Bogey .952

118 Chavis .788

103 JD M .884

93 JBJ .843

78 Vaz .957

72 Moreland .928 (on IL)

 

Bench

56 Pearce .664 (on IL)

50 Nunez .614

41 Leon .618 (went 3-3 in June)

12 Holt .583

 

Our top 9 PA players were all over .788 and 7 were over .825.

 

I'm not sure we can hope for better from our top playing players: we just need them to put it all together and create wins.

[vegasbob]

But trading Benintendi would just open up another hole. Plus he's also one of the few good players who isn't expensive yet.

 

I am certainly one who is awaiting Beni's wake up call , but one of his values to the Sox does lie in the team control/lower cost factor you point out. At least they are not overpaying for what they are getting from him. He is still quite young, like Devers and Chavis but should be showing more progressive, not regressive development. Plus his arm is really weak.