Can/Should the Red Sox Blow Up the Roster?

[StephenCurry30]

Lets look at this.

 

DFA Candidates (No trade Value, but suck)

Pedroia (Unlikely due to his career in Boston)

Nunez

Pearce

Brewer

Velazquez

Thornburg

Poyner

Leon

Ryan Weber

 

Little to no Value, could fetch something but nothing notable

JBJ

Vaz

Brasier

Porcello

 

Players who should be dealt for Prospects (NOT TOP TIER GUYS,, BUT ANYTHING)

Porcello

Moreland

E-Rod

Workman

Barnes

 

 

Unlikely to move

Mookie

Benintendi

Devers

Xander

JD Martinez (Just doesn't make sense, he'll either struggle and opt in, or dominate and opt out, either way limits his trade value)

Sale

Price

Eovaldi (injury + Price)

Walden

 

Thoughts?

[fxkatt]

What I think tonight is what I thought 5 days ago: The Yanks are going to win the East, and we are going to make the playoffs and play either Oakland or TB in the play-in game. So, we keep everyone, unless we can work out a trade which improves things.

[YastrzemskI]

What I think tonight is what I thought 5 days ago: The Yanks are going to win the East, and we are going to make the playoffs and play either Oakland or TB in the play-in game. So, we keep everyone, unless we can work out a trade which improves things.

 

+1 The trades/acquisitions which improve things need to come shortly.

[jung]

Interesting thought SC30. Price literally said earlier this year that if the Sox did not get it turned around, Management would blow it up. Now I actually think Price was trying to talk to his team through the media. But still and all, he might be right or at least partially right. There are a number of players on this team that are carryovers from a Championship season. They made sense in an effort to win that Championship but don't make much sense past that at least IMO.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I would DFA the first 7 I would package Erod and JBJ and a Prospect for someone of Value either OF or Starter .Pedey is retiring it's happening JDM is hurt and wiLl go on IL tonight I hope .I would extend Ricky P .I would see what Benny would fetch on the open market in July not to trade but to just see what's the price .I would absolutely think about going after Big Red if his price has dropped Monday ...if Not I'd make Workman the closer ..Id flip the rotation around and add Dallas K ...The rotation would be Price ,Sale ,Rick ,Dallas ,Darwins......I would stick Benny in CF leave Betts as is and bring up Dalby early .Thats my s*** show plan .We need Mitch this year .I would release Pearce just like we did witH Hanley Edited June 2, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[YastrzemskI]

I would DFA the first 7 I would package Erod and JBJ and a Prospect for someone of Value either OF or Starter .Pedey is retiring it's happening JDM is hurt and wiLl go on IL tonight I hope .I would extend Ricky P .I would see what Benny would fetch on the open market in July not to trade but to just see what's the price .I would absolutely think about going after Big Red if his price has dropped Monday ...if Not I'd make Workman the closer ..Id flip the rotation around and add Dallas K ...The rotation would be Price ,Sale ,Rick ,Dallas ,Darwins......I would stick Benny in CF leave Betts as is and bring up Dalby early .Thats my s*** show plan .We need Mitch this year .I would release Pearce just like we did witH Hanley

 

Could you send a telegram to DD please?

I completely agree.

[moonslav59]

You guys crack me up.

 

There's at least 6 weeks to go before we even think about this.

[oldtimer]

You guys crack me up.

 

There's at least 6 weeks to go before we even think about this.

 

I don't see the Sox making any moves until the break and only then if we still have a significant chance of making the playoffs. What can we do other than add a reliever if we have a shot?

 

Depends a great deal on how we perform in that period. If we are out of it, then it would be reasonable to call up our best prospects and see what they can do. Even with a playoff hope, I believe we will need to make major changes going in to 2020. Time for Pearce, Nunez, JBJ, half the BP, E-Rod, Leon at least to go. Pedroia is not coming back.

 

Time for the front office to strenghten our prospect list and to avoid harmful long term contracts to players going past their prime. Pedroia's 8 year being the poster child of recent bad ones. We have the highest payroll in the league and the resullts are not reflecting it. It's hard to justify that position with a 500 team.

[jacksonianmarch]

It’s not like the Sox changed much personnel, it is pretty clear that the same personnel can’t get it done like they did last year. Also, of all the current contenders not rhyming with Shmindians, the Sox are the only team that took a downgrade in the offseason. The Astros lost Keuchel and Morton but added Brantley, Chirinos and Miley plus had an amazing farm system to draw from. The Yanks subtracted KRob (who has been hurt all year) and added Lemahieu and Ottavino, plus others like Urshela. The Twins added Nelson Cruz and C.J. Cron offensively and Martin Perez to

the mound. The A’s added Mike Fiers. Everyone tried to add. The Sox were the only non Indian team to subtract. The Sox were relying on the rest of the AL not improving while they took a step back. They were wrong

[OH FOY]

No, too early. You have the Wild card, but what you are seeing is the difference in Farm Systems. And its catching up to the Sox, especially in the Pitching Dept.

[notin]

Lets look at this.

 

DFA Candidates (No trade Value, but suck)

Pedroia (Unlikely due to his career in Boston)

Nunez

Pearce

Brewer

Velazquez

Thornburg

Poyner

Leon

Ryan Weber

 

Little to no Value, could fetch something but nothing notable

JBJ

Vaz

Brasier

Porcello

 

Players who should be dealt for Prospects (NOT TOP TIER GUYS,, BUT ANYTHING)

Porcello

Moreland

E-Rod

Workman

Barnes

 

 

Unlikely to move

Mookie

Benintendi

Devers

Xander

JD Martinez (Just doesn't make sense, he'll either struggle and opt in, or dominate and opt out, either way limits his trade value)

Sale

Price

Eovaldi (injury + Price)

Walden

 

Thoughts?

 

So the plan to “blow up the roster” involves trading away most of the potential free agents and giving away ERod and Barnes?

 

 

So the idea is that people who can’t handle two months of not winning think the Sox need to go into a rebuilding mode, which typically takes longer than two months...

Edited June 2, 2019 by notin

[S5Dewey]

So the plan to “blow up the roster” involves trading away most of the potential free agents and giving away ERod and Barnes?

 

 

So the idea is that people who can’t handle two months of not winning think the Sox need to go into a rebuilding mode, which typically takes longer than two months...

 

Exactly right. The FO has been years building this team. This is a team that won 108 games just last year. To think that blowing it up is going to make things better in 2020-2022 is frankly, asinine.

 

It's easy to say "blow up this team" in June of 2019 but what are these same posters going to say in June of 2020 when the Sox are cellar dewellers, "Well, at least John Henry is saving money"?

 

No thanks. I'll put up with the struggles and take the longer view. There's too much baseball talent here to piss it away over a poor start lasting two months.

[OH FOY]

I guess tonight at 12 midnight, its all over to get Kimbrel back. He'll be signed in a week. Yanks have the money for Keuchel, if they want. No more losing Draft Comp. and IFA money.

[S5Dewey]

I guess tonight at 12 midnight, its all over to get Kimbrel back. He'll be signed in a week. Yanks have the money for Keuchel, if they want. No more losing Draft Comp. and IFA money.

 

Realizing that Free Agents care only about how much money they're going to get and don't care about the ramifications of their salaries on the team, it'll be interesting to see what Kimbrel signs for. He's already turned down the $18M QA from the Sox. Let's see what he'll sign for in a multi-year contract.

[notin]

I don't see the Sox making any moves until the break and only then if we still have a significant chance of making the playoffs. What can we do other than add a reliever if we have a shot?

 

Depends a great deal on how we perform in that period. If we are out of it, then it would be reasonable to call up our best prospects and see what they can do. Even with a playoff hope, I believe we will need to make major changes going in to 2020. Time for Pearce, Nunez, JBJ, half the BP, E-Rod, Leon at least to go. Pedroia is not coming back.

 

Time for the front office to strenghten our prospect list and to avoid harmful long term contracts to players going past their prime. Pedroia's 8 year being the poster child of recent bad ones. We have the highest payroll in the league and the resullts are not reflecting it. It's hard to justify that position with a 500 team.

 

 

Why is Pedroia’s contract the poster child for bad contracts? Because he got hurt and couldn’t perform? That’s cold. Did it become the epitome of bad deals right after the injury? Or should Dombrowski use hindsight to make all his contracts? Compared to other contracts like Price and Sandoval, Pedroia have the Sox a bargain.

 

And if you don’t like the Pedroia deal, then you should be advocating to deal Betts. Because his deal is going to be monstrous in terms of years and money. And there is a chance he will get hurt at some point during the deal...

[notin]

Realizing that Free Agents care only about how much money they're going to get and don't care about the ramifications of their salaries on the team, it'll be interesting to see what Kimbrel signs for. He's already turned down the $18M QA from the Sox. Let's see what he'll sign for in a multi-year contract.

 

 

The Sox might be better off trading for Ian Kennedy than signing what’s left of Kimbrel...

[OH FOY]

Realizing that Free Agents care only about how much money they're going to get and don't care about the ramifications of their salaries on the team, it'll be interesting to see what Kimbrel signs for. He's already turned down the $18M QA from the Sox. Let's see what he'll sign for in a multi-year contract.

 

Yeah, he wanted years. To me, it seemed Teams gambled on these 2, and did OK. Didn't want to lose out to continue to build their Minor Leagues, by taking the penalties. Like the guy last night said, all it cost is money now.

[OH FOY]

In a Pitchers Park in KC Ian Kennedy has a 4.72 ERA. Trey Ball for him, go for it. Edited June 2, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

In a Pitchers Park in KC Ian Kennedy has a 4.72 ERA. Trey Ball for him, go for it.

 

 

With a 2.39 FIP and a 7.00 K/BB.

 

ERA is neither the only nor best way to evaluate a pitcher...

[Bellhorn04]

Compared to other contracts like Price and Sandoval, Pedroia have the Sox a bargain.

 

You misspelled Hanley.

[notin]

You misspelled Hanley.

 

 

Hanley is another one, despite his actually giving the Sox a discount.

 

But Price didn’t and is unlikely to pitch so effectively at ages 36 and 37. He will get paid the same, however. I wonder how many will insist he should retire and give up the money, too...

[Kimmi]

You guys crack me up.

 

There's at least 6 weeks to go before we even think about this.

 

I don't see any way that the Sox blow this roster up.

 

There's simply not enough competition in the AL to warrant the Sox becoming sellers.

[Bellhorn04]

The OP is just plain cracked.

 

The only realistic selloff possibility of note is that if the Red Sox are truly dead meat in July, they might listen to offers for Porcello because his contract is up.

[OH FOY]

With the New Trade Deadline, teams move quicker then the July 31st deadline. I think teams will sell quicker now.

[Bellhorn04]

With the New Trade Deadline, teams move quicker then the July 31st deadline. I think teams will sell quicker now.

 

The only change is that there will no longer be any trades after July 31.

[Swiharts Ghost]

There has been exactly 1 team to ever make it 10 games back .So cue " so you say there's a chance " !! No folks this team suuuuuucks .Cut the dead weight and chronic under achievers get rid of Erod and JBJ and package a minor leaguer up for someone of value period .Pedey is done JDM is hurt Mitch is Hurt Evoldi is hurt .We will be 12 games back in days not weeks .Yes Start the changes Now.Only caveat to not doing so is if they blow past Lux tax and add a starter even then we need a change badly . Edited June 2, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[OH FOY]

I see only 4 teams that look out of it, for the WC. Nobody is going to sell now, except for guys you really don't want anyway.

[notin]

There has been exactly 1 team to ever make it 10 games back .So cue " so you say there's a chance " !! No folks this team suuuuuucks .Cut the dead weight and chronic under achievers get rid of Erod and JBJ and package a minor leaguer up for someone of value period .Pedey is done JDM is hurt Mitch is Hurt Evoldi is hurt .We will be 12 games back in days not weeks .Yes Start the changes Now

 

 

There have been a lot of teams to overcome 10 game deficits, and many were that far behind much later than June 2. The 1995 Mariners were 12 games out in mid-August and won the division. The 1914 Braves were 15 out in late June and won.

 

Stop with the white flags. Especially the one you’re waving for fictional reasons...

[dgalehouse]

It would make no sense to blow up the team at this point. Given the sorry state of the A.L. , a wild card berth is not only possible , but probable. That said , it is kind of pathetic that we have been reduced to hoping for the second ( gimmicky) wild card . What happened?

[Bellhorn04]

It would make no sense to blow up the team at this point. Given the sorry state of the A.L. , a wild card berth is not only possible , but probable. That said , it is kind of pathetic that we have been reduced to hoping for the second ( gimmicky) wild card . What happened?

 

We're spoiled though Denny. We've won the division 3 years in a row for the first time since there were divisions, plus a World Series win in there. It'd be nice to keep rolling forever, but it just doesn't happen.