2019 Spring Training Thread

[notin]

From what I understand if the player retires they forfeit the contract and insurance would then not cover it.

 

And I agree, similar to the Arod situation with the Yanks. They still had to pay him and it count against the cap even though he was an "advisor" for the last year of his contract.

 

If a player officially retires mid-contract, they forfeit all remaining salary. It’s rare, but Gil Meche and Ryan Dempster both did it...

[mvp 78]

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/07/01/bobby-bonillas-isnt-the-only-deferred-money-deal-in-the-game-and-isnt-even-the-worst/

 

A brief list of players being paid deferred money. Not sure if players are still allowed to do this under the new CBA.

[mvp 78]

lol

 

This has been my reaction every year since 2012 when the Yanks stopped winning the division.

[BillyWilliams]

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/07/01/bobby-bonillas-isnt-the-only-deferred-money-deal-in-the-game-and-isnt-even-the-worst/

 

A brief list of players being paid deferred money. Not sure if players are still allowed to do this under the new CBA.

 

What the hell does deferred money on contracts have to do with the subject at hand?!

 

It's apples and oranges.

[mvp 78]

There will be a pitch clock during Spring Training...

 

*insert It's Happening gif*

[jung]

Carlos Pena doing the Red Sox/Yankees NESN broadcast asked about Yankee forgotten man, Ellsbury. His comment: "What a talent", sounding like the usual every player is a HoFer according to ex-ballplayers.

 

For my money if it is truly over for Ells, he is going to redefine Flash in the Pan to Nuclear Blast in the Pan.

[harmony]

Michael Chavis homers:

 

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[Larry Cook]

#55 pitching for the Yankees has some really nice stuff. Control looks a bit spotty.

[notin]

Carlos Pena doing the Red Sox/Yankees NESN broadcast asked about Yankee forgotten man, Ellsbury. His comment: "What a talent", sounding like the usual every player is a HoFer according to ex-ballplayers.

 

For my money if it is truly over for Ells, he is going to redefine Flash in the Pan to Nuclear Blast in the Pan.

 

 

Ellsbury was hardly a flash in the pan. He had a very good career for Boston. New York just gave him too many years...

[Larry Cook]

Oscar hernandez had a terribly mechanical swing. If he gets s base hit, it will be more luck than skill,

[moonslav59]

Ellsbury was hardly a flash in the pan. He had a very good career for Boston. New York just gave him too many years...

 

2 years was too much.

[jacksonianmarch]

#55 pitching for the Yankees has some really nice stuff. Control looks a bit spotty.

 

That’s Rex Brothers. He was a closer for the Rockies before completely losing his composure. His stuff is dominant. He hasn’t harnessed it since 2013. He’s not going to make the team

[S5Dewey]

There will be a pitch clock during Spring Training...

 

*insert It's Happening gif*

 

It's there and running, but when it gets down to about 5 seconds they shut it off do it really doesn't matter.

[dgalehouse]

From what I can see , Carlos Pena is clearly better than Salty or Gomes .

[jung]

Ellsbury was hardly a flash in the pan. He had a very good career for Boston. New York just gave him too many years...

 

He might turn out to be the last true base stealer as an everyday player (not a base stealing specialist) we ever see play this game. I will give him that. 10 total years, three of them at 74 total games or less is hardly what I would call much of a career given the expectations for Ells. If he actually had an arm you could credit him more for his fielding. Outside of his 2011, I don't see much to crow about.

Edited February 24, 2019 by jung

[notin]

He might turn out to be the last true base stealer as an everyday player (not a base stealing specialist) we ever see play this game. I will give him that. 10 total years, three of them at 74 total games or less is hardly what I would call much of a career given the expectations for Ells. If he actually had an arm you could credit him more for his fielding. Outside of his 2011, I don't see much to crow about.

 

 

Dee Gordon and Billy Hamilton aren’t true base stealers?

 

And Hamilton is not a”base stealing specialist” before you counter with that. He’s also a defensive wizard considered to be among the best in the game. Really his only weakness is hitting. It’s just that it’s an astoundingly prominent weakness...

Edited February 24, 2019 by notin

[moonslav59]

He might turn out to be the last true base stealer as an everyday player (not a base stealing specialist) we ever see play this game. I will give him that. 10 total years, three of them at 74 total games or less is hardly what I would call much of a career given the expectations for Ells. If he actually had an arm you could credit him more for his fielding. Outside of his 2011, I don't see much to crow about.

 

The year before he signed with the Yanks, he hit .781, and that was his 2nd best OPS of his career.

 

I know his game was more about things not related to OPS, but when .781 is your second best OPS ever, you can never be worth what the Yanks gave him.

 

He has had 6 seasons with 502 or more PAs, and these are his OPS in those seasons:

 

.928 (Talk about outlier)

.781

.770

.747

.729

.703

(His 501 PA season, he hit .663.)

 

He's a career .760 OPS guy with speed and plus D that would have been better had he not had a noodle for an arm.

 

His 162 game career line is .284 14 67 (45 SB/9 CS- not a super SB%).

 

In his 11 years in MLB, he has averages less than 500 PAs in 110 games per season.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Chavis is en fuego!

[notin]

Chavis is en fuego!

 

 

He’s thumbing is nose at all those top 100 lists...

[fxkatt]

He’s thumbing is nose at all those top 100 lists...

 

And at some of the trades projected by many on this board for less than formidable players.

[moonslav59]

Maybe we should trade JD and make Chavis our FT DH.

[notin]

And at some of the trades projected by many on this board for less than formidable players.

 

I believe I only offered him for Jose LeClerc. He’s making it look prudent...

[cp176]

Conjure me up some Chavis for sure but keep your eye on Bobby D. moving forward. As Chavis said of him - the ball sounds different when it comes of his bat. POWER

[Fan_since_Boggs]

While the strength of the Red Sox farm system lies in the lower levels, it is good to know they have some high upside talent--Dalbec and Chavis--at the upper levels as well.

 

Dalbec is evidence that Dombrowski is the best GM in the game. Not only did he put together a 108 win team, but he did this while simultaneously rebuilding the farm system and drafting gems like Dalbec in the 4th round.

[moonslav59]

While the strength of the Red Sox farm system lies in the lower levels, it is good to know they have some high upside talent--Dalbec and Chavis--at the upper levels as well.

 

Dalbec is evidence that Dombrowski is the best GM in the game. Not only did he put together a 108 win team, but he did this while simultaneously rebuilding the farm system and drafting gems like Dalbec in the 4th round.

 

Our farm is not "rebuilt." It is a shambles with some glimmering hopes here and there.

 

I still am thrilled DD is our GM.

[notin]

While the strength of the Red Sox farm system lies in the lower levels, it is good to know they have some high upside talent--Dalbec and Chavis--at the upper levels as well.

 

Dalbec is evidence that Dombrowski is the best GM in the game. Not only did he put together a 108 win team, but he did this while simultaneously rebuilding the farm system and drafting gems like Dalbec in the 4th round.

 

 

DD did a great job building the major league club, but crediting him for rebuilding the farm because he found The Second Coming of Russ Branyan in the fourth round might be premature...

[moonslav59]

DD did a great job building the major league club, but crediting him for rebuilding the farm because he found The Second Coming of Russ Branyan in the fourth round might be premature...

 

Even if Dalbec becomes Justin Turner, we'll need more than that to call it even a half decent rebuild.

[kenmeister]

The year before he signed with the Yanks, he hit .781, and that was his 2nd best OPS of his career.

 

I know his game was more about things not related to OPS, but when .781 is your second best OPS ever, you can never be worth what the Yanks gave him.

 

He has had 6 seasons with 502 or more PAs, and these are his OPS in those seasons:

 

.928 (Talk about outlier)

.781

.770

.747

.729

.703

(His 501 PA season, he hit .663.)

 

He's a career .760 OPS guy with speed and plus D that would have been better had he not had a noodle for an arm.

 

His 162 game career line is .284 14 67 (45 SB/9 CS- not a super SB%).

 

In his 11 years in MLB, he has averages less than 500 PAs in 110 games per season.

 

 

OPS as an offensive stat doesn't include stolen bases at all, which is a shame. I always thought Ellsbury transcended his OPS because of that. In his .301 hitting year when he had an OPS of .770, he also stole 70 bases and got caught 12 times, for a net benefit of 58 bases. Now granted stolen bases never move a runner along, so let's chop that in half to 29. I'm sure if we add 29 extra bases to his slugging percentage of .415 that year, his OPS would bump into .8 something.

[moonslav59]

OPS as an offensive stat doesn't include stolen bases at all, which is a shame. I always thought Ellsbury transcended his OPS because of that. In his .301 hitting year when he had an OPS of .770, he also stole 70 bases and got caught 12 times, for a net benefit of 58 bases. Now granted stolen bases never move a runner along, so let's chop that in half to 29. I'm sure if we add 29 extra bases to his slugging percentage of .415 that year, his OPS would bump into .8 something.

 

I mentioned how OPS does not capture his full value, but .781 is pretty mediocre. If you take away his one outlier year, it was much worse than that.

 

Also, before signing with the Yanks, he had stolen 241 bases with the Sox and got caught 46 times. That's a success rate of just under 84%. While that is good, it is not great. Early in his career, he ran into a lot of outs as well.

 

His defense started out so-so, but he did very well for a few short years, but his very weak arm hurt his overall value on defense.

 

I'm not saying he was a bad player, but he didn't come close to deserving that Yankee contract. This is not hindisght being 20-20 either. At the time of the signing I said I wouldn't have given him half of that contract.

 

His injury history was also a concern, at the time.

[kenmeister]

I mentioned how OPS does not capture his full value, but .781 is pretty mediocre. If you take away his one outlier year, it was much worse than that.

 

Also, before signing with the Yanks, he had stolen 241 bases with the Sox and got caught 46 times. That's a success rate of just under 84%. While that is good, it is not great. Early in his career, he ran into a lot of outs as well.

 

His defense started out so-so, but he did very well for a few short years, but his very weak arm hurt his overall value on defense.

 

I'm not saying he was a bad player, but he didn't come close to deserving that Yankee contract. This is not hindisght being 20-20 either. At the time of the signing I said I wouldn't have given him half of that contract.

 

His injury history was also a concern, at the time.

 

I wasn't on talkSox at the time, but oh my goodness I thought the Yankees were nuts too at the time. They were clearly expecting every subsequent year to be like his outlier year.