Harper and Machado

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Machado is waiting until the new year before making a final decision. Translation: the Phillies offered him 350 million and he is giving the Yankees a few days to increase their offer. If the Yankees don't increase it, Machado signs with the Phillies.

 

If the Yankees gave Machado the largest offer, I doubt Machado waits until the new year to sign--he takes it right away. Thus, I would think the largest offer came from the Phillies and Machado is waiting a few days to see if the Yankees go higher.

[Bellhorn04]

Machado is waiting until the new year before making a final decision. Translation: the Phillies offered him 350 million and he is giving the Yankees a few days to increase their offer. If the Yankees don't increase it, Machado signs with the Phillies.

 

If the Yankees gave Machado the largest offer, I doubt Machado waits until the new year to sign--he takes it right away. Thus, I would think the largest offer came from the Phillies and Machado is waiting a few days to see if the Yankees go higher.

 

That's a plausible scenario, except I don't think the Phillis would have gone as high as 350 million. I think the numbers will come in lower than that.

 

How about 8 years, 280 million, opt out after 3. That would be the best contract offer in history based on the AAV and the opt out.

[moonslav59]

That's a plausible scenario, except I don't think the Phillis would have gone as high as 350 million. I think the numbers will come in lower than that.

 

How about 8 years, 280 million, opt out after 3. That would be the best contract offer in history based on the AAV and the opt out.

 

That's what I was thinking, but the part about waiting for the Yanks to counter is likely correct.

[Northern Star]

Why don't baseball GMs have a type of ebay, where they can anonymously post offers, and everyone can see the current top bid (the player and agent see which teams made the bids)? Because as far as I know, everyone bids blindly based on what the agent says about other offers received, as if that's going to be credible information. Players would hate this because it would tighten the market rates for players, with less possibility of wildly overpaying based on rumor (ARod and Texas).

[notin]

Why don't baseball GMs have a type of ebay, where they can anonymously post offers, and everyone can see the current top bid (the player and agent see which teams made the bids)? Because as far as I know, everyone bids blindly based on what the agent says about other offers received, as if that's going to be credible information. Players would hate this because it would tighten the market rates for players, with less possibility of wildly overpaying based on rumor (ARod and Texas).

 

Actually if the Japanese posting process with blind bids is any guideline, it would probably lead to insane overbidding...

[Northern Star]

Actually if the Japanese posting process with blind bids is any guideline, it would probably lead to insane overbidding...

 

No, because all the GMs see what the bidding is - they just don't see which team makes the bids.

[Bellhorn04]

No, because all the GMs see what the bidding is - they just don't see which team makes the bids.

 

What would make it more fun is if fans could follow the auctions too. Subscription only, of course - might as well pour some more money into the coffers in the process.

[Kimmi]

What would make it more fun is if fans could follow the auctions too. Subscription only, of course - might as well pour some more money into the coffers in the process.

 

That would drive me absolutely nuts.

[Northern Star]

That would drive me absolutely nuts.

 

No need to sign up - the details would easily leak from various Twitter accounts.

[Jasonbay44]

No need to sign up - the details would easily leak from various Twitter accounts.

This is true, and its the main reason I like twitter. Any kind of breaking news, whether it be sports or not, will be broken on twitter before other websites/services.

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[Northern Star]

So as far as money goes, my prediction is $350 mil for Harper and $325 mil for Machado.

[Northern Star]

Harper and Machado should team up and hold a workout for potential buyers. They can pump each other.

 

("Fletch" reference).

[Northern Star]

Is it bad that I'm impatient for these two bozos to sign somewhere? I don't know why it is, maybe because the anticipation has been building for so long.

[Kimmi]

Is it bad that I'm impatient for these two bozos to sign somewhere? I don't know why it is, maybe because the anticipation has been building for so long.

 

I have said many times that I hate the offseason. All the rumors, speculation, conflicting reports, and anticipation are frustrating, even though I know to take it all with a grain of salt. When it comes to this, I was better off back in the day before all of this instant information.

[Northern Star]

I have said many times that I hate the offseason. All the rumors, speculation, conflicting reports, and anticipation are frustrating, even though I know to take it all with a grain of salt. When it comes to this, I was better off back in the day before all of this instant information.

 

yeah, definitely.

[Bellhorn04]

I have said many times that I hate the offseason. All the rumors, speculation, conflicting reports, and anticipation are frustrating, even though I know to take it all with a grain of salt. When it comes to this, I was better off back in the day before all of this instant information.

 

yeah, definitely.

 

I know exactly what you're saying, and I include myself in the following comment: we're like a bunch of spoiled children to complain of such things.

[Bellhorn04]

White Sox sign Jon Jay, a friend of Machado's he works out with in the offseason.

[Bellhorn04]

Hard to know what to believe, but the consensus in the rumor mill seems to be that the White Sox have made the only formal offer to Machado, and it's 'closer to 200 million than to 300 million'.

[mvp 78]

I think Machado should get paid, he's a great player heading to the HOF if he stays healthy.

 

I just don't get Harper. He had one otherworldly season, but that's it. For 2016 - 2018, his total fWAR stands as #34, behind Didi, Carpenter and Segura. I don't know. I just think that guy is all hype.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Machado should get paid, he's a great player heading to the HOF if he stays healthy.

 

I just don't get Harper. He had one otherworldly season, but that's it. For 2016 - 2018, his total fWAR stands as #34, behind Didi, Carpenter and Segura. I don't know. I just think that guy is all hype.

 

Harper has 30.7WAR before turning 26 yrs old. His age and his potential are why he is hyped so much.

[BillyWilliams]

Price at which Manny Machado would be worth risk to Yankees

By Ken Davidoff January 7, 2019 | 8:46pm

 

Look over there: a gorgeous mansion for sale.

 

The price is sky-high, though, and a layman’s inspection reveals major concerns about the foundation. The house could bring unprecedented joy … or it could turn into a life-draining albatross.

 

But what if the homeowners are so hell-bent on giving the house to you — you possess a pristine reputation, after all — that they’re willing to slash the price virtually in half?

 

Then you’d have to seriously consider signing Manny Machado, wouldn’t you?

 

Sorry, maybe that analogy could have used a more visible bridge. In any case, if the Yankees can convince the pinstripe-loving Machado to join them at a bargain rate — for under $200 million, to be precise — then the 26-year-old would be worth the risk that his Johnny Hustle act won’t play in the Bronx.

 

A five-year, $180 million deal? Even those residing in the “Yankees shouldn’t sign Machado” camp — I’ve been receiving my mail there since late October — should be amenable to such a pact.

 

On Monday morning, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote, on Twitter, “The Yankees are either playing it coy, trying to gauge the [Miguel] Andujar trade market, or simply have no intention of offering Manny Machado a $200 million-plus contract. The Chicago White Sox and Philadelphia Phillies remain the most aggressive teams for the prized infielder.”

 

First of all, the Yankees have not made Machado a concrete offer, according to an industry source; they are not far along in discussions with Machado’s agent Dan Lozano to have reached that stage. Furthermore, indications do exist the Yankees, who got massively outbid by the Nationals for the services of Patrick Corbin, a considerably better fit for their 2019 roster than Machado, are playing it very cool in these Machado discussions. Perhaps, indeed, “Less than $200 million” cool.

That’s quite a distance from the 10-year, $350 million package that served as a goal for both Machado and his fellow 26-year-old free agent Bryce Harper.

 

A similar or even slightly higher annual average value than that $35 million shouldn’t deter the Yankees, who successfully went under the luxury-tax threshold in 2018, thereby resetting their tax rate from 50 percent to a far more palatable 20 percent. It’s all about the years.

 

True, five years doesn’t quite represent a summer fling; the Yankees signed A.J. Burnett to a five-year contract back in the 2008-09 offseason, you might recall, and the relationship lasted only three years before they got sick of each other and divorced. However, when you run the cost-benefit analysis, the potential primary benefit (Machado produces at the elite level that he has displayed for the majority of his career) outweighs the potential primary cost (unlike Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson and Alex Rodriguez, Machado doesn’t embrace his role of polarizing Yankee and becomes miserable and hated). Let’s face it: Troy Tulowitzki at shortstop during Didi Gregorius’ injury absence doesn’t inspire much confidence, right? Machado at short and Andujar at third on Opening Day sounds pretty good.

 

Even better? The Yankees should give Machado an opt-out after 2019. Let him put up a spectacular campaign while privately loathing the scrutiny that comes with being a Yankee. Let Gregorius return from Tommy John surgery a good as ever and sign a long-term extension. Let Andujar — whom the Yankees aren’t seriously shopping, according to an executive from another club — shuttle between third base and first base while swinging that sweet bat. Let Machado go elsewhere for his $350 million, one year delayed.

Would Machado actually go for this? Or would his pride understandably steer him toward Philly or Chicago’s South Side? The Yankees, operating from a position of strength, might be determined to learn the answer to this very question.

 

If the answer from Machado becomes, “Yes, I want to be a Yankee this badly,” then the Yankees should present the same package to Harper, the better fit. After Harper rejects it, then it would be time for the Machado plunge.

 

It could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship. And if it isn’t? It would be over soon enough, anyway.

 

https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/price-at-which-manny-machado-would-be-worth-risk-to-yankees/

 

I'm not sure I agree with him that Harper is the better fit ........

[notin]

He is a better fit from the perspective of being a left-handed hitter in a righty-heavy lineup in Yankee Stadium. But a worse fit than Machado with regards to position.

 

At least, I think that’s where that writer was going...

[mvp 78]

Harper has 30.7WAR before turning 26 yrs old. His age and his potential are why he is hyped so much.

 

One great season and a lot of decent ones. If he isn't playing like 2015, he's not worth the contract he's going to get.

[BillyWilliams]

He is a better fit from the perspective of being a left-handed hitter in a righty-heavy lineup in Yankee Stadium. But a worse fit than Machado with regards to position.

 

At least, I think that’s where that writer was going...

 

He wrote an article detailing why he felt that way and he did mention the lefty vs righty aspect among other things.

 

While I agree the Yanks could use some lefty balance, I think the need for a SS outweighs the need for a lefty bat, especially considering how many OF's are on the roster.

[Northern Star]

I can't read the article because it's E+ ********, but the headline is would Harper/Machado suiters be better off spreading the $300 million around? Dependent on the quality of other FAs available and fitting of needs, yes, they would.

[Bellhorn04]

It would be kind of nice, I guess, if Machado ends up way short of what he was expecting. It was reported he came into the offseason thinking he might get more than Stanton's 325 million.

 

I think his somewhat bizarre antics with the Dodgers hurt him in the wallet after all.

[dgalehouse]

One of the problems the top of the line free agents are running into is that there are so many teams who are not even remotely in the picture. And some of the very few teams that are in the picture are being cautious. These guys are going to have to decide if they want to sign with a team that they really don't want just to get a deal anything like what they want . Let's face it , the White Sox and Phillies are not the most desirable destinations.

[moonslav59]

One of the problems the top of the line free agents are running into is that there are so many teams who are not even remotely in the picture. And some of the very few teams that are in the picture are being cautious. These guys are going to have to decide if they want to sign with a team that they really don't want just to get a deal anything like what they want . Let's face it , the White Sox and Phillies are not the most desirable destinations.

 

The Phillies might be real good with an addition like M or H. They can spend even more after one of them.

[Northern Star]

It would be kind of nice, I guess, if Machado ends up way short of what he was expecting. It was reported he came into the offseason thinking he might get more than Stanton's 325 million.

 

I think his somewhat bizarre antics with the Dodgers hurt him in the wallet after all.

 

There HAS to be an end to the madness somewhere.

[notin]

One of the problems the top of the line free agents are running into is that there are so many teams who are not even remotely in the picture. And some of the very few teams that are in the picture are being cautious. These guys are going to have to decide if they want to sign with a team that they really don't want just to get a deal anything like what they want . Let's face it , the White Sox and Phillies are not the most desirable destinations.

 

 

The guy spent most of 6 years in Baltimore. Why is Chicago so awful?