Trading Jackie Bradley...

[Bellhorn04]

Please don't compare trading the best player alive to trading an aging 2b.

 

It's a fair comparison in that neither thing was ever happening.

[mvp 78]

It's a fair comparison in that neither thing was ever happening.

 

That's not true either. They could have and should have traded Pedroia. I was correct in harping on it even though you think I was just buzzarding because apparently I just can't be right about something if you disagree with it.

[Bellhorn04]

That's not true either. They could have and should have traded Pedroia. I was correct in harping on it even though you think I was just buzzarding because apparently I just can't be right about something if you disagree with it.

 

Wow, you're crabby today. Anyway it was Kimmi who brought up the trade Mookie idea. I assume it's just a case of offseason boredom and being willing to talk about anything.

[Hitch]

Trade him I say. And Sale. I'm fed up their greatness anyway.

 

It would have merit as a discussion the season before his final year if he's showing zero sign of staying.

 

For what it's worth, I don't think he re-signs with us. I'm not sure why; it's just a nagging feeling.

[cp176]

Trade him I say. And Sale. I'm fed up their greatness anyway.

 

It would have merit as a discussion the season before his final year if he's showing zero sign of staying.

 

For what it's worth, I don't think he re-signs with us. I'm not sure why; it's just a nagging feeling.

 

Hey and while we are at it let's throw JD in there as well. We all know that he is going to opt out after next year - we read it here some place. Just think of the sheer joy trading these 3 aging veterans who we know we can't afford to sign anyway would bring. The only thing that could possibly make for a better outcome would be if the abundant bounty we received could be collected just in prospects. We all then could be ecstatic because of the unusual strength of our farm. We could replace much of that steaming pile of crap we now have with some real players and our minor league teams would start to win again! lol

 

Please kind sir - trade me

[Kimmi]

It sounds nice in theory, Kimmi, but you also have to figure out what other team would match up and how it would make sense.

 

If you look at the history of trades, teams don't often trade a great player for several good players. If a team trades a great player they're usually getting back a batch of prospects because they're rebuilding.

 

My challenge to you is to come up with a theoretical trade of Mookie that could actually happen and make sense for both teams.

 

I have no idea what that theoretical trade would be. I don't know other teams' systems well enough to even know where to begin.

 

Even if we couldn't get back the same value that we are getting from Mookie, I think that we could get close enough that it would make sense to make the trade when you factor in the money you'd be saving on Mookie's long term contract.

 

If the Sox don't think there's a reasonable chance of signing Mookie long term, it would make even more sense to trade him for some pretty good value before he walks away as a free agent.

[Kimmi]

The only way I trade Mookie, is if we decide to reset after 2019, and we have no plans at extending him.

 

I suppose we could reset after 2019, trade Betts and then re-sign him after 2020 (highly doubtful).

 

I'm not advocating trading Mookie, but I think that there is some merit to the idea.

[Kimmi]

I was told this would be a non-silly thread about what we could get back for JBJ, but now we're talking about trading Mookie... This place is too ridiculous for me sometimes.

 

Are you calling me ridiculous? Ha.

[jacksonianmarch]

You deal Mookie, you better not miss on who you get. Also, it ain’t gonna happen. Dave isn’t up for breaking up the band. He’s gonna prop this window open as long as he can, and once the window closes, he’s riding off into the sunset.

[moonslav59]

I don't think anyone believes we will trade Betts. There might be just 1 or 2 that think he should be traded.

 

I mentioned if we wanted to re-set after 2019, it might make some sense, but I have always felt the window is open until after 2020, and that winter will be our re-set.

[Bellhorn04]

You deal Mookie, you better not miss on who you get. Also, it ain’t gonna happen. Dave isn’t up for breaking up the band. He’s gonna prop this window open as long as he can, and once the window closes, he’s riding off into the sunset.

 

OK, that's enough of the off into the sunset stuff.

 

Dombrowski is 6 months younger than me, he's a lifetime baseball man and he's got a phenomenally good job. My guess is he'll be willing to stick around as long as John Henry does.

 

The future of ownership is the real wild card for this franchise. JH turns 70 in 2019 and has a much younger wife and 3 children.

[moonslav59]

OK, that's enough of the off into the sunset stuff.

 

Dombrowski is 6 months younger than me, he's a lifetime baseball man and he's got a phenomenally good job. My guess is he'll be willing to stick around as long as John Henry does.

 

The future of ownership is the real wild card for this franchise. JH turns 70 in 2019 and has a much younger wife and 3 children.

 

Some of DD's past gigs involved a serious "win now" strategy that may not be the case here, unless Henry is thinking of selling once this window closes. I doubt Henry is thinking of selling, so I think the plan is for as short a rebuild period as possible with DD staying through it.

 

If we reset after 2020 and then spend big in 2022, we could see the window open back up after one down year (2021). The biggest problem with this plan is that re-setting after 2020, pretty much means saying good bye to Mookie, something some here seem to think is best for the long term success of this team, anyways.

 

If we planned now by not signing anyone beyond 2020, we could possibly keep Betts and lose others and still shoot for a competitive team in 2022.

[mvp 78]

Are you calling me ridiculous? Ha.

 

No, you're not ridiculous. The idea of trading Mookie is though. I think you could make a case for trading anyone else on the roster, but I don't see how you could replicate Mookie's value in a trade. If you have the best player alive, you keep him.

[mvp 78]

OK, that's enough of the off into the sunset stuff.

 

Dombrowski is 6 months younger than me, he's a lifetime baseball man and he's got a phenomenally good job. My guess is he'll be willing to stick around as long as John Henry does.

 

The future of ownership is the real wild card for this franchise. JH turns 70 in 2019 and has a much younger wife and 3 children.

 

What Jacko is inferring is that the Sox window won't close for another 10+ years. I agree with him.

[moonslav59]

No, you're not ridiculous. The idea of trading Mookie is though. I think you could make a case for trading anyone else on the roster, but I don't see how you could replicate Mookie's value in a trade. If you have the best player alive, you keep him.

 

I'm not for trading Mookie. I'd give him 12 years.

 

However, trading him would not be about getting equal value. It would be about getting something before he walks as a free agent (assuming we plan to re-set the tax).

[radatz17]

Back to the thought of trading Jackie Bradley.

 

Even if he only replicates his 2018 hitting, he will well be worth having on next year's team. His fielding is superior in center field, he allows Betts to be in right field, he is at least a very good #8 or 9 hitter in a contending team's line up, he is not likely to bring back as much as he is worth, and has been a very solid citizen in the Boston community.

 

Bradley is a top level athlete who will hit much better than he has to date if he learns to keep his head still when swinging in every at bat. Watch his at bats when he is doing well and when he is in a slump and you will see what I am talking about. His head jerks to the first base dugout when slumping and stays right on the ball to contact when hitting well.

[Maxbialystock]

JBJ peaked in 2016. His hitting and defense have trended downward the past two season in terms of OPS, DWAR, and WAR.

 

That said, I'm fine with whatever Dombrowski decides. I can see value in keeping him, depending on the prices.

[moonslav59]

JBJ peaked in 2016. His hitting and defense have trended downward the past two season in terms of OPS, DWAR, and WAR.

 

That said, I'm fine with whatever Dombrowski decides. I can see value in keeping him, depending on the prices.

 

Other metrics show JBJ is still very strong on defense:

 

UZR/150

0.2 in 2015

8.1 in 2016

3.5 in 2017

8.8 in 2018

 

DRS shows another story

8 in 2015

11 in 2016

10 in 2017

0 in 2018 (hard to imagine for a GG winner)

 

Inside Edge Career vs 2018

Remote

16%/33% in 2018

Unlikely

41%/29%

Even

68%/75%

Likely

92%/91%

Routine

99.7%/100%

[oldtimer]

JBJ peaked in 2016. His hitting and defense have trended downward the past two season in terms of OPS, DWAR, and WAR.

 

That said, I'm fine with whatever Dombrowski decides. I can see value in keeping him, depending on the prices.

 

I don't see anyone in our farm system that could replace him at this time and the FA market is unlikely to yield a better replacement. The real question is whether we can afford to keep him based on his contract needs versus our sense of his value. Is there a trade that would make any sense?

[notin]

I don't see anyone in our farm system that could replace him at this time and the FA market is unlikely to yield a better replacement. The real question is whether we can afford to keep him based on his contract needs versus our sense of his value. Is there a trade that would make any sense?

 

Billy Hamilton is a free agent, but he only replaces half of Bradley. Pollock is certainly better, but no longer fits the financial picture...

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody's getting traded.

 

All in again, baby!

[notin]

Nobody's getting traded.

 

All in again, baby!

 

That doesn’t seem like Dombrowski.

 

With Eovaldi on board, maybe he trades ERod for a closer now?

 

(Not straight up.)

[moonslav59]

I wonder what Wright, Johsnon & Velazquez's values are in trade. Add Swihart and maybe Chavis, Ockimey or even Hembree and see what kind of RP'er(s) we can get.

 

I'm not advocating trading them just for the sake of it, I'd want a decent return.

[Bellhorn04]

That doesn’t seem like Dombrowski.

 

With Eovaldi on board, maybe he trades ERod for a closer now?

 

(Not straight up.)

 

I kind of doubt he trades E-Rod. I think he's still got 10 or 11 mill to invest in a closer type, and maybe he trades some spare parts/prospects for another reliever?

 

John Henry doesn't seem to be pinching pennies yet, based on the Eovaldi signing.

[notin]

I wonder what Wright, Johsnon & Velazquez's values are in trade. Add Swihart and maybe Chavis, Ockimey or even Hembree and see what kind of RP'er(s) we can get.

 

I'm not advocating trading them just for the sake of it, I'd want a decent return.

 

 

Ockimey is probably gone in the Rule 5 draft (Miami?). But some of those guys - most likely Swihart - might be headed for DFA...

[notin]

I kind of doubt he trades E-Rod. I think he's still got 10 or 11 mill to invest in a closer type, and maybe he trades some spare parts/prospects for another reliever?

 

John Henry doesn't seem to be pinching pennies yet, based on the Eovaldi signing.

 

I am not sure it’s likely, but I do consider a remote possibility. Unless Henry does give him a blank check...

[Kimmi]

You deal Mookie, you better not miss on who you get. Also, it ain’t gonna happen. Dave isn’t up for breaking up the band. He’s gonna prop this window open as long as he can, and once the window closes, he’s riding off into the sunset.

 

I don't believe for a minute that Mookie will be traded. I just don't think it's as ridiculous an idea as everyone is making it out to be.

[Kimmi]

No, you're not ridiculous. The idea of trading Mookie is though. I think you could make a case for trading anyone else on the roster, but I don't see how you could replicate Mookie's value in a trade. If you have the best player alive, you keep him.

 

If you don't think you can keep him or you aren't willing to pay him an outrageous contract, it makes sense to trade him and at least get something in return.

[Kimmi]

Nobody's getting traded.

 

All in again, baby!

 

These trades will be more likely next offseason.

[mvp 78]

The Sox really know how to run things back.