Dave Dombrowski

[jacksonianmarch]

And you're biased as heck, bordering on blind homer.

 

You were telling us early in 2018 that you had 5 starters in the minors who were already good enough to be big leagues starters. You were talking about guys like Cessa, Adams and Sheffield and the other flameouts when you were talking crap like this.

 

And you’re a blind homer as well.

 

I told you we had big league level talent in the minors. We do have that talent. They just didn’t perform up to their talent. That happens sometimes with prospects. We still have 2 top 100 prospects who are big league ready and are starting pitchers. They didn’t disappear. And we didn’t even use the best of our prospects until the very end. Kinda hard to judge when you don’t use the best of what you’ve got, right?

[Bellhorn04]

That’s just dumb.

 

Too early on Andujar and Torres? They’re gonna be 1-2 in ROY.

 

Severino has been one of the best pitchers in the AL over the last two seasons. Yes he faded late. So did Sale, right?

 

Sanchez is a one dimensional hitter. He’s not a good catcher. He is a far better hitter than he was this year.

 

Judge is a great player. He was 8WAR in 2017 and was on pace for a 7WAR season before he broke his wrist.

 

Cmon now, you’re better than that

 

Well yeah, I'm trying to give you a hard time. But it's just a bit irritating to have a Yankee fan come onto a thread about our GM and issue such pompous prognostications.

[Tedballgame]

And you’re a blind homer as well.

 

I told you we had big league level talent in the minors. We do have that talent. They just didn’t perform up to their talent. That happens sometimes with prospects. We still have 2 top 100 prospects who are big league ready and are starting pitchers. They didn’t disappear. And we didn’t even use the best of our prospects until the very end. Kinda hard to judge when you don’t use the best of what you’ve got, right?[/quote

 

You also predicted the Yankees would beat the Sox in the playoffs. How did that work out? No one knows what is going to happen in 2019, 2020 or 2021. Maybe the Sox decide to go over the luxury tax and keep all their players. Maybe they sign another great FA like JD. Maybe Judge decides he no longer wants to be a baseball player and instead stands on street corners singing "New York, New York".

[mvp 78]

That’s just dumb.

 

Too early on Andujar and Torres? They’re gonna be 1-2 in ROY.

 

Severino has been one of the best pitchers in the AL over the last two seasons. Yes he faded late. So did Sale, right?

 

Sanchez is a one dimensional hitter. He’s not a good catcher. He is a far better hitter than he was this year.

 

Judge is a great player. He was 8WAR in 2017 and was on pace for a 7WAR season before he broke his wrist.

 

Cmon now, you’re better than that

 

If Sanchez is far better than he was this year, maybe Andujar and Torres are far worse? Can't have it both ways.

[Slasher9]

So “ Wait till next year!” can be replaced by “Wait till 4 years from now!!” ?

 

ahahahahahahaha!

[Slasher9]

You couldn’t be more wrong Dojji. The age isn’t the issue. The years of control are where it’s at. We don’t have to worry about FA for Judge or Sanchez for 4 years. Torres 6 years. Andujar 5 years. Severino 4 years. That’s where a window comes in.

 

jacksonianmarch:

2017-2018 offseason: Yankees are better!

2018 Spring Training: Yankees are better!

2018 1st half: Red Sox feasted on weak schedule. Yankees are better!

2018 2nd half: Yankees are better!

2018 ALDS: Yankees are better!

2018 ALCS: Houston is better!

 

wake me up when you get pitching....until then...you are our bitch.

[mvp 78]

jacksonianmarch:

2017-2018 offseason: Yankees are better!

2018 Spring Training: Yankees are better!

2018 1st half: Red Sox feasted on weak schedule. Yankees are better!

2018 2nd half: Yankees are better!

2018 ALDS: Yankees are better!

2018 ALCS: Houston is better!

 

wake me up when you get pitching....until then...you are our bitch.

 

For the past three years this is certain. Seems to me that until the Yankees can show they belong, it's our division.

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox have won the AL East 3 straight years. That is a dynasty. The WS Title is icing on the cake. Meanwhile, the Yankees have won 1 title since...........I forget how long.

[dgalehouse]

The Yankees minor league talent was overhyped and overrated. Honestly, when I saw the highly touted Chance Adams pitch , his stuff looked very ordinary. (We have certainly done that with many of our own prospects too. ) I think the Yankee management knew this. That is why they went out and got guys like Happ and Lynn. The idea that their farm system is loaded with hard throwing young pitchers is very misleading. The entire minor leagues are loaded with those kind of guys. Not too many really pan out.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees minor league talent was overhyped and overrated. Honestly, when I saw the highly touted Chance Adams pitch , his stuff looked very ordinary. (We have certainly done that with many of our own prospects too. ) I think the Yankee management knew this. That is why they went out and got guys like Happ and Lynn. The idea that their farm system is loaded with hard throwing young pitchers is very misleading. The entire minor leagues are loaded with those kind of guys. Not too many really pan out.

 

Huh? Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Severino are overhyped?

[jung]

jacksonianmarch:

2017-2018 offseason: Yankees are better!

2018 Spring Training: Yankees are better!

2018 1st half: Red Sox feasted on weak schedule. Yankees are better!

2018 2nd half: Yankees are better!

2018 ALDS: Yankees are better!

2018 ALCS: Houston is better!

 

wake me up when you get pitching....until then...you are our bitch.

 

lol slash .....got a good laugh out of jacko's season long misses!

[dgalehouse]

Huh? Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Severino are overhyped?

 

They are not minor league talent. I am referring to the current farm system.

[sk7326]

Huh? Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Severino are overhyped?

 

Andujar to a degree - Devers is a better investment ... better defender (less shaky at least) and 1.5 years younger.

[jacksonianmarch]

Andujar to a degree - Devers is a better investment ... better defender (less shaky at least) and 1.5 years younger.

 

Devers and Andujar will both be minus defenders at 3b for the duration of their careers. I actually think Andujar has more tools but far worse execution at this point. Andujar is a much better hitter at this stage.

 

And dgalehouse, the same was said about Judge, Torres and Andujar on this site prior to 2017 and 2018. The system is stocked with pitching talent. Loaisiga was actually good before he got hurt. German has lightning stuff, he just cannot consistently locate. Sheff never got a chance. Adam, I said prior to the 2018 season, had taken a step back. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Adams was used in the 4 game sweep and Sheff wasn't. It boggles my mind

[Kimmi]

Your predictions are predictable.

 

With Jacko predicting the cliff coming soon, I'm really starting to believe it's not coming!

[Kimmi]

For the past three years this is certain. Seems to me that until the Yankees can show they belong, it's our division.

 

In the words of a wise man, back to back to back to back.

[notin]

That’s just dumb.

 

Too early on Andujar and Torres? They’re gonna be 1-2 in ROY.

 

 

Unless Joey Wendle (3.7 fWAR) and Shohei Ohtani (2.8 fWAR) beat them out for it...

[sk7326]

That’s just dumb.

 

Too early on Andujar and Torres? They’re gonna be 1-2 in ROY.

 

Severino has been one of the best pitchers in the AL over the last two seasons. Yes he faded late. So did Sale, right?

 

Sanchez is a one dimensional hitter. He’s not a good catcher. He is a far better hitter than he was this year.

 

Judge is a great player. He was 8WAR in 2017 and was on pace for a 7WAR season before he broke his wrist.

 

Cmon now, you’re better than that

 

Torres could, but it'd be a robbery ... Ohtani was easily the best rookie of the class. 3.9 WAR with what is the roughly the equivalent of a full season workload (51 IP, 367 PAs) despite a fairly inefficient distribution of work for him (his bat was a legit surprise)

[sk7326]

Unless Joey Wendle (3.7 fWAR) and Shohei Ohtani (2.8 fWAR) beat them out for it...

 

Ohtani had 3.8 fWAR - you have to add what he did on the mound

 

My ballot would be Ohtani, Torres, Wendle ... Wendle is a rookie, so I have to consider him. But I'd prefer to give it to a young player when its justified ... the award should highlight the future stars of the game.

[notin]

Ohtani had 3.8 fWAR - you have to add what he did on the mound

 

My ballot would be Ohtani, Torres, Wendle ... Wendle is a rookie, so I have to consider him. But I'd prefer to give it to a young player when its justified ... the award should highlight the future stars of the game.

 

The award to me is about best debut season, not future outlook.

 

Should 30yo Ryan Brasier not be considered because players like Torres might have a brighter future?

[sk7326]

The award to me is about best debut season, not future outlook.

 

Should 30yo Ryan Brasier not be considered because players like Torres might have a brighter future?

 

If 30 yo Ryan Brasier had the best rookie season by a considerable margin, no. If he is in a dead heat with a 22 y.o. - I'd be inclined to go with the 22 y.o. ... the sport has problems celebrating its current stars, so a chance to do so is worth taking advantage of.

[jacksonianmarch]

Andujar did tie the All time rookie record for the AL with 47 doubles. He led the bigs in rookie HRs with 27. He also hit .297. He’s the best offensive rookie. His defense let’s him down a bit, but I still think he takes home the award. A healthy Ohtani takes the award hands down, but he wasn’t.

[jung]

In the words of a wise man, back to back to back to back.

 

More interesting than that, the Sox have a real shot at back to back WS. The NL is utter trash at the moment. Get out of the AL in one piece and you are winning the WS. Dodgers are way under the Lux tax so they could come up big filling the holes in their pitching. But frankly I just don't think they can get out of their own way and they are head and shoulders better than the rest of the trash over there. The whole NL can't get out of its own way. Compound that with what clearly is a strange upper management and baseball ops relationship with field management and the team and I have no idea what the Dodgers think they are doing.

 

That said, getting out of the AL is no cake walk.

[Kimmi]

More interesting than that, the Sox have a real shot at back to back WS. The NL is utter trash at the moment. Get out of the AL in one piece and you are winning the WS. Dodgers are way under the Lux tax so they could come up big filling the holes in their pitching. But frankly I just don't think they can get out of their own way and they are head and shoulders better than the rest of the trash over there. The whole NL can't get out of its own way. Compound that with what clearly is a strange upper management and baseball ops relationship with field management and the team and I have no idea what the Dodgers think they are doing.

 

That said, getting out of the AL is no cake walk.

 

The team is more or less set for next year, even without any moves being made. So yes, I agree that the Sox have a good shot at winning another World Series, not that it will be easy by any means. I think most people agreed that whatever team made it out of the AL this year would likely win the World Series. That could be the case next year as well, but at this point, I'm not willing to make that statement.

 

I think that the Yankees are going to make some major moves this offseason. They aren't willing to tolerate the Sox winning another division title. LOL

 

Bring it on Yankees!

[notin]

If 30 yo Ryan Brasier had the best rookie season by a considerable margin, no. If he is in a dead heat with a 22 y.o. - I'd be inclined to go with the 22 y.o. ... the sport has problems celebrating its current stars, so a chance to do so is worth taking advantage of.

 

It’s an award, not a marketing tool. Why not also give MVP to the player who does the most commercials and the Cy Young to the pitcher who garners the most television appearances?

[Dojji]

It’s an award, not a marketing tool.

 

Got news for you, friend. Every award is also a marketing tool, otherwise they wouldn't happen.

[Bellhorn04]

It’s an award, not a marketing tool. Why not also give MVP to the player who does the most commercials and the Cy Young to the pitcher who garners the most television appearances?

 

In the pro sports and entertainment businesses, awards ARE marketing tools. We're not talking about the Nobel Prize.

[notin]

Got news for you, friend. Every award is also a marketing tool, otherwise they wouldn't happen.

 

That’s why I won’t buy new jeans unless they get endorsed by a Nobel laureate...

[notin]

In the pro sports and entertainment businesses, awards ARE marketing tools. We're not talking about the Nobel Prize.

 

That’s funny because I was making a Nobel joke when you typed it.

 

So does this mean you’re in favor of age discrimination here too? (Yes I can change lanes on the fly that fast.)

[Bellhorn04]

That’s funny because I was making a Nobel joke when you typed it.

 

So does this mean you’re in favor of age discrimination here too? (Yes I can change lanes on the fly that fast.)

 

I think sk7326 has a point. And it's not so much about age discrimination as it is about experience discrimination.