Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[cp176]

What's to much for a World Series ? Just asking ? Is it Devers ? Is it Xander ? Is it Sale ? Because to me it's about BOSTON about the banners about the rings ....not one single player except Teddy Ballgame would I not consider trading for the shot .....marcel Ozunas stock just plummeted big time after that hatchet job error to lose a game ....Ozuna anyone on a buy low ?

 

My my my how things have changed. I'm a lifelong fan but have to say that I enjoy the hunt actually more than the kill. It is a long season and I am so damn happy that we are competitive year after year without sacrificing our future. IMO once again, I do not think that our future has been sacrificed in any way. There of course will be challenges along the way with respect to payroll but I have faith in our ownership and management to keep things going. Desperate, panic stricken Dave just needs to keep doing his thing.

[Slasher9]

You can't really count on that. Most early trades are blown away offers.

 

If early trades were cheaper, more teams would make them.

 

This looks like a case of KC either being impatient and making a bad move, or really liking those particular Nats' prospects more than most scouting organizations did. (Fangraphs had two of them at 7 and 10 in Washington's system.)

but it does happen. the screws really get turned at the final hours of the deadline. there are deals to be had in June/early July.

[moonslav59]

Or.... Why not trade Kimbrel?

 

Imagine what we could get for him? Maybe a really good closer? Or a DH? Maybe a good LF'r?

 

How is trading Kimbrel going to help us this year?

 

I'm not against the idea or re-tooling for the future, but this debate was about trading to win this year.

[moonslav59]

You can't really count on that. Most early trades are blown away offers.

 

If early trades were cheaper, more teams would make them.

 

This looks like a case of KC either being impatient and making a bad move, or really liking those particular Nats' prospects more than most scouting organizations did. (Fangraphs had two of them at 7 and 10 in Washington's system.)

 

This may be an example of one organization valuing certain prospects way more than anyone we know does.

[moonslav59]

...I do not think that our future has been sacrificed in any way. ...

 

With all due respect, cp, how can trading over a dozen of our best prospects not sacrifice our future in any way?

[cp176]

...I do not think that our future has been sacrificed in any way. ...

 

With all due respect, cp, how can trading over a dozen of our best prospects not sacrifice our future in any way?

 

My opinion is that it is doubtful that one of those prospects ever becomes the player that people think that they might become. I'm not second guessing anything that a GM does during their current tenure. I don't have the answers and if someone discounts my opinion or opinions because I do not know the answers, I am absolutely ok with that. No one here knows the answers as we move forward. I do not believe as you already know that there is any type of cliff that exists. Looking ahead is not my job moon. I'm on board the Red Sox train today as much as I will be as it moves forward.

[moonslav59]

My opinion is that it is doubtful that one of those prospects ever becomes the player that people think that they might become. I'm not second guessing anything that a GM does during their current tenure. I don't have the answers and if someone discounts my opinion or opinions because I do not know the answers, I am absolutely ok with that. No one here knows the answers as we move forward. I do not believe as you already know that there is any type of cliff that exists. Looking ahead is not my job moon. I'm on board the Red Sox train today as much as I will be as it moves forward.

 

But you did look ahead with the statement (opinion) about our future.

 

Again, I am fine with what DD has done. Personally, I would not have gone so far, and I'd have sought a couple different players than who we got. I was never for holding onto all or even most of our prospects.

 

I guess we disagree on how good some of our ex-prospects will end upbeing.

 

Margot

Moncada

Kopech

Espinoza

Basabe

and others

 

Again, I wasn't for keeping all these guys. I loved the Sale trade. I had hoped we'd have traded some/most of the guys we dealt for Kimbrel and Pom to get Quintana, but he's not exactly lighting things up, so what do I know? I liked Quintana, because he had more years of control (one year more than Sale).

[Kimmi]

The way I understand it, Pedey is not going to take part in baseball related activities for a few weeks and concentrate on healing and whatever physical therapy they choose to keep him in shape. After that period which will be into July, they will have to test his situation again and see if he is likely to be able to return to playing this season. If not, they will have time to come up with a full time second baseman. Until that time they can play Holt and Nunez who can fill in but shouldn't be considered fulll time replacements. There was a list of probable replacements who are adequate fielders but none are the kind of players some on the site yearn for (game changers).

 

I completely agree Oldtimer.

 

We do not have the resources to make several moves before the deadline, so we need to be sure that whatever moves we make are going to count. There is still time to evaluate exactly what our greatest need is going to be. Even then, I don't think that the upgrade will be that significant, mostly because we don't have any glaring holes.

[Kimmi]

Weird time for a trade like this.

 

The early word is the Royals didn't get any of the Nats top prospects... even weirder.

If the Sox had made this trade, we'd have gone over the max limit, assuming we dumped no salary of our own.

 

 

The Nats will take over the $7,937,500 salary that Herrera is earning in his final season of arbitration eligibility. With 82 of the 186 service-eligible days of the MLB calendar already in the books, the Washington organization will be on the hook for something like $4.44M.

 

I was reading this morning about how this year's trade deadline will be an extreme buyer's market. Eleven teams are already clear sellers, with 6 more teams likely to join soon. There are several other teams that will likely eventually become sellers as well. That being the case, the feeling is that there will be no big hauls for selling teams, even for players like Machado.

[Kimmi]

I'd give up Sale for another World Series this year would you ?...A couple more names .....Scooter G to take over for Pedey ,Syndergaaaaaard .....the only name I've heard today is The guy in Colly Lemeyhew ??? Nice split vs lefty pitching ? Don't know the guy like the swing though .

 

We could get every player that you've ever wanted, and that still would not guarantee a parade. That's the fallacy of the WIN NOW mentality.

 

Besides, our team, as is, is good enough to win a World Series. Don't sell the Red Sox short.

[Sox75]

How is trading Kimbrel going to help us this year?

 

I'm not against the idea or re-tooling for the future, but this debate was about trading to win this year.

 

 

Again, as I said on the previous page, that was meant as a HUGE wink wink..... it was meant to take even further the thought of trading a KEY PITCHER, in a pitching core that is already very limited.

 

As you said Moon, trading E-Rod, the guy in our rotation with THE MOST WINS, 9, is the definition of insanity.

 

I thought my facetious post was implicitly facetious...... trading the BEST CLOSER IN MLB would also define insanity.

 

I will be sure to include multiple ;) wink wink wink when being facetious from here on out.

 

[Kimmi]

I note that the Nationals picked up Kelvin Herrera today in a rare mid June trade of consequence. They gave up some minor league players but not their top talent. It looks like he was let go to get rid of salary and to restock the minor league. It appears to indicate that trades this time of year can be pulled off if pursued.

 

There will be a lot of teams selling this deadline. Dombrowski should be able to get the piece or pieces we need. I'm not talking Machado, but more along the lines of a good reliever.

[Kimmi]

Kimbrel has yet to impress me in the highest of leverage situations, against the elite teams. He seems to gag a lot.

 

To me, it would actually make some sense to trade Kimbrel, but that's not going to happen.

[Kimmi]

I agree, I tend to think waiting until the 11th hour gives us our best shot at making a nice upgrade, wherever that may be. If needed. I remember liking DD’s deadline deals the past few seasons for the most part (Nunez, Ziegler). If I didn’t 100% like a deal, I at least agreed with the direction of it (Pom).

 

I criticize Dombrowski for a lot of what he's done, but I am a fan of his deadline deals. Like you, I didn't 100% like the Pom deal, but IMO, it had to be done.

[Kimmi]

We’re already in a Rolls Royce and We’re driving to November. We may need a new gas cap or maybe a back tail light, but I think we’ll get there.

 

Nice!

[oldtimer]

There will be a lot of teams selling this deadline. Dombrowski should be able to get the piece or pieces we need. I'm not talking Machado, but more along the lines of a good reliever.

 

If the Reds are wiling to let go of Scooter Gennett, I would pursue that possibility,especially if Pedroia can't make it back.

[Bellhorn04]

To me, it would actually make some sense to trade Kimbrel, but that's not going to happen.

 

Make sense for 2018, or make sense for the long view?

[Carbo-Diem]

It seems to me that Rusney Castillo should be a fit for somebody, even if all the Sox get back is a low level minors guy to restock.

[Kimmi]

If the Reds are wiling to let go of Scooter Gennett, I would pursue that possibility,especially if Pedroia can't make it back.

 

I am not that familiar with Scooter, though a quick glance at his stats tells me that he could be a nice little upgrade at 2B. Something worth looking into, for sure.

[Kimmi]

Make sense for 2018, or make sense for the long view?

 

I would not do that trade if it did not involve an upgrade for 2018. I am not talking about trading for prospects, but trading for maybe a 2B or a RHB bat. We don't really have the farm pieces to trade, whereas Kimbrel could return something of value.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dealing Kimbrel will destroy your club. Your pen has two guys in it who you can trust in crunch time. Eliminating the best option without returning a similar player would be a problem for you. Also, Kimbrel is on an expiring contract. The return obtained for Herrera, who is similar in production this year, was not as expected which means you likely aren't going to get a Chapman or Miller type return

[CharlieWhigg]

I would not do that trade if it did not involve an upgrade for 2018. I am not talking about trading for prospects, but trading for maybe a 2B or a RHB bat. We don't really have the farm pieces to trade, whereas Kimbrel could return something of value.

I am strongly against trading Kimbrel. Giving away one of the best closers in baseball is a bad move when you’re one of the top teams in the league

[Bellhorn04]

Dealing Kimbrel will destroy your club. Your pen has two guys in it who you can trust in crunch time. Eliminating the best option without returning a similar player would be a problem for you. Also, Kimbrel is on an expiring contract. The return obtained for Herrera, who is similar in production this year, was not as expected which means you likely aren't going to get a Chapman or Miller type return

 

I do believe you're right.

[Kimmi]

Dealing Kimbrel will destroy your club. Your pen has two guys in it who you can trust in crunch time. Eliminating the best option without returning a similar player would be a problem for you. Also, Kimbrel is on an expiring contract. The return obtained for Herrera, who is similar in production this year, was not as expected which means you likely aren't going to get a Chapman or Miller type return

 

Trading Kimbrel would not destroy our club. The point of the trade being, it would have to be an upgrade for this year.

 

I agree that he alone would likely not return an upgrade in a position player, but as part of a package he could.

 

At any rate, as I posted before, it's not going to happen.

[Hitch]

Only player that can put this team over the hump is the only player we should explore ....The player is Machado and the cost maybe Devers ....at his best Devers would be what ? an All star third baseman ??? No ....a good DH ? Yea but on the Papi level??? No ....Cruz level ? Yeah maybe ? ....is he a better player ever than Mchado ? No ...will he catch fire and get us over the hump ? Doubtful at best ...will he ever ??? Maybe ??? Can Machado deliver a championship caliber at bats ??? I think so ....yeah I'm all in this year Dave..

 

Only one question mark is required you annoying lunatic.

[Kimmi]

I am strongly against trading Kimbrel. Giving away one of the best closers in baseball is a bad move when you’re one of the top teams in the league

 

I would not trade away Kimbrel unless it upgrades the team as a whole. That means that any weakening in the BP would have to be more than offset by an upgrade elsewhere.

[Kimmi]

Only one question mark is required you annoying lunatic.

 

LOL I almost spit my drink out on this one.

[Hitch]

No balls no glory ....do you ...I'll be me .....I like me and my life....I wonder if Houston went nutless and never traded for Verlander how things would have worked out ? .....cough

 

 

And only one period.

[Hitch]

LOL I almost spit my drink out on this one.

 

I don't know what the cure to dyslexia is, but I'm pretty sure Natic is the cause.

[Sox75]

Dealing Kimbrel will destroy your club. Your pen has two guys in it who you can trust in crunch time. Eliminating the best option without returning a similar player would be a problem for you. Also, Kimbrel is on an expiring contract. The return obtained for Herrera, who is similar in production this year, was not as expected which means you likely aren't going to get a Chapman or Miller type return

 

You guys do get that NOBODY is seriously considering dealing Kimbrel? Right?

 

I said it as a joke. I was being facetious after somebody suggested dealing E-Rod. The guy in our rotation with the most wins. 9.

 

 

So.... can we put to rest the "dealing Kimbrel" talk? LOL :0 Everybody calm down now.